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  • Birthday December 19

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    Fair Hill, MD
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    05 ABP 2.5GT LTD 5MT Sedan
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    Taking care of little girl and new baby boy, hockey, Ultimate Frisbee, cycling, and spreadsheets!
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    Systems Engineer in Aerospace

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  1. Whoa, with the car off the fan remained on? Not sure about that one. You should check out the WVB-12 bulletin - if the fan comes on immediately after starting the car, then you need both the fan relay and ECU replaced (directly from the bulletin). I would say that if they did the work once and the car failed, then they need to do it again. If they diagnose the problem as the relay and ECU, then they need to replace it/them. The guys at the dealership here said they would have no problem replacing the fan relay on my car again if I took it in and it came up bad. Sorry, no experience here with an AP, but I have read on this thread that you have to "unmarry" the AP before the recall work is done. Good luck.
  2. UPDATE #10 (3/16/2010): Made it through the winter without any issues. Fuel economy went back up in the summer and then down over the winter due to winter blend. Wobble/stutter/skip is still there, but I live with it. UPDATE #9 (7/7/2009): With the warmer weather, the cooling fans have not come on, that I can tell. When I reach my destination, the fans are off, which is different than 3 months ago when the fans would come on after 15 minutes of driving (consistently, and I timed it). Fuel economy is way up (25 vs 20 back in February). But, the wobble/stutter/skip is back with a vengeance. It is most severe in 3rd and 4th gear. I have to take it in to get it checked out against the recall. UPDATE #8 (3/21/2009): Real-time fuel economy is increasing again, but the fan is on every time I reach my destination. Plus, now the car is chugging when it goes up its first hill, or when it goes into 4th gear for the first time - whichever comes first. I know my car well, so I know this is abnormal. Especially since I have driven it over 46,000 miles for just under 5 years. I am heading to the dealership on 03 Apr to see if they will repair the fan relay again. UPDATE #7 (2/15/2009): Real-time fuel economy is increasing (currently at 1/2 tank), but every time I reach my destination the fan is on. Every time. No matter the distance. Regardless of whether or not I use the heat/air. Time for another call to the local dealership. UPDATE #6 (2/9/2009): Whenever I shut the car off, the fan is on. This is even when I drive home from work (9 miles, 20 minutes) without turning on the fan/heater/AC. Also, when I filled up at the end of January I had an all-time low of 19.4 MPG for the tank of fuel. I have had the car since June 2004 and the lowest MPG I ever had was 19.7 - the first tank of gas from the dealer. The average is 23.7 MPG over the life of the car. UPDATE #5 (1/31/2009): Car has been acting fine, except for fuel economy being 19% lower than average ever since this all happened. UPDATE #4 (1/19/2009): Dealership held car all day to try and duplicate problem. They ran diagnostics and even called SOA technical assistnace to open up a case file. SOA had no history of this happening on other Legacy's. The dealership said that all diagnostics came back clean, and there was no indication, from a vehicle diagnostic standpoint, that the event(s) even took place. Invoice issue was cleared up by service dept explaining that the wrong labor code was entered, and the ECM was not replaced on 1/3/2009. So, no fix was made. I was a little irked that the tone was that they did not believe me, and they even asked if something got stuck on the pedal - I reiterated that I was NOT stepping on the accel when this happened. I am pleased with the curteousness of the folks at the dealership, but am not impressed with their techincal or troubleshooting abilities. UPDATE #3 (1/16/2009): Started vehicle, let it warm up for ~1 min, drove down the cul-de-sac and without stepping on accelerator car decided it wanted to run all the way to 6500 RPM. I pulled over and shut the car off. Tried 3 more times, each with same result. Let car sit ~5 minutes and tried again - started fine. Called dealer to ask if they could make an appointment to re-fix what they fixed the first time. Made appointment for Jan 19. Person on phone had my file open and said "we did not replace the ECM - that is expensive". Invoice CLEARLY states that ECM and fan relay were replaced. Both need to be re-replaced on Jan 19 or a call to SOA is in order. Currently not happy, especially since the TSB states: "Note: ECM replacement is only necessary when it has been confirmed that the radiator cooling fan circuit is damaged". UPDATE #2 (1/9/2009): Service manager supplied one "pop cap", aka clip. UPDATE #1 (1/3/2009): Smell has pretty much gone away. So has the stutter that I was experiencing in low 3rd gear! Also, the Service Manager has agreed to provide several "pop caps" to replace the one that the service tech broke. Just returned from the dealership (Matt Slap in Newark, DE) where they replaced the "cooling fan relay and ECM". The folks there were nice, and I was in and out in 1 hour. Hopefully this will fix the issue with my fan coming on and staying on until I turn off the car. As for the dealership, my experience was good. The issues that I have are: 1) I made an appointment online 2 weeks prior to going in and they did not have a record of it. 2) They would not let me into the garage to witness the work being done. 3) When I returned home and parked the car, I noticed something similar to the scent of melting/burning plastic - not present in the first 45,000 miles of driving the car. I opened the hood and the smell was coming from beneath the plastic cover on the IC, but I could not pinpoint from where . Also, one of the pop-caps on the plastic IC cover was broken. I know that this was done this morning during the relay replacement, because I have never taken the cover off. You think they would/should have told me they broke the cap. I will monitor the smell - is this something to be expected with a relay replacement?
  3. Yes, the smoky piece. I think I am going to just peel it off...
  4. I'm in the middle of the install and I am pulling off the heat sink. Trouble is, there is some black adhesive strip that prevents me from doing so. Anyone have the same issue? It's getting late and this is stressing me out. Should I pull off the adhesive? Thanks!
  5. Trying to buy, but the PayPal link doesn't work. I want to buy before 1/1/2006. I'll browse this thread some more...
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