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CHUCKmfnNORRIS 02-08-2013 03:53 PM

HID vs. LED
 
Im looking to upgrade my headlights but dont know what to go with. anyone try the LED headlights? it looks like the install is easier than the HID kits out there.

these are the HIDs i was looking at

and this is the LED kit i was looking at

they are both the same price, just dont know what to go with.

Billy Dagwood 02-08-2013 03:55 PM

really curious to see how those LED's work out if you decide to go that route...

stupidaznmunkey 02-08-2013 04:00 PM

LEDs will draw less power but the amount of "lumens" - brightness intensity, will be less with LEDs

so pros for HIDs:
-big range spectrum of lighting colors (3k to 14k)
-a lot brighter than stock headlights
-about the same hours as halogens

cons:
-runs hotter than halogens
-more parts/more prone to failure
-sometimes the power draw can blow a fuse since it draws more power
-draws more power
-if you arent using projectors, you will have HID "flares"
-there is a cool-down time and a start up "warm up" time

LEDs:
pros:
instant off/on
a little more brightness than stock halogens
has a ton more hours of on time than HID or halogen


cons:
runs cool
draws little power
limited color spectrum (from what i know so far)
not as bright
can still cause the "Flares" if you aren't using projectors


If it were me, I'd go with the LEDs :)

My next subie will have em in the car (currently have HIDs in all my cars and they've been just fine - had one HID blow out after 6 years but thats about it!)

CHUCKmfnNORRIS 02-08-2013 04:04 PM

i was leaning to the leds, im kind of a LED flashlight junkie(ive got more flashlights than a normal person should ever have), so i know the ups and downs. i just dont know much about the HID lights.

TwoTone 02-08-2013 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CHUCKmfnNORRIS (Post 4285398)
i was leaning to the leds, im kind of a LED flashlight junkie(ive got more flashlights than a normal person should ever have), so i know the ups and downs. i just dont know much about the HID lights.


Something to keep in mind since you're up in the NE. The heat from Halogen or Hids helps keep ice from forming on the headlights.

When you have one of those freezing rains, the LEDs won't keep the ice off the headlight and I'd wonder how quickly the light output would be effected and at the time you need the light the most.

wrxwhit 02-08-2013 07:52 PM

Wow, this is a very interesting topic. LEDs instead of HID's, hmmm.... time to research. Just plug and play with no ballast, sounds good to me.....

apexi 02-08-2013 07:55 PM

Between LED and HID? HID, hands down, no question.

A standard 55w H7 halogen bulb puts out about 1500 lumens, +/- 100-200 lumens or so depending on brand of bulb, age of bulb, etc.

The HID's in your link say 3000 lumens, and the LED's say 1200 lumens.

If you're ok with getting less light output from your headlights then I guess LED would be fine. Personally I would go HID or stay with your halogen bulbs, I wouldn't go LED yet until theres a better product out there.

Kaijubei 02-09-2013 12:58 AM

IMO, get what improves the functionality. LEDs could get the same job done as an HID, but those LED setups are expensive...thousands of dollars expensive.

DrD123 02-09-2013 07:50 AM

curious how they measure light output - for most lights, they use an integrating sphere, so you catch all of the light coming off the bulb - in the case of an HID or halogen, the light comes off in all directions - for an LED, though, it is much more directional so it's not really an apples to apples comparison (a lower number for LED could translate into the equivalent of a much higher number for an HID or halogen)

Also - the high power LEDs do get pretty warm (if you look at their website, you can see the cooling fans on the base of the heat sinks) - for many bike lights, they tell you to turn them off if you are sitting still for more than 5-10 minutes so that you don't damage them, so I don't know that the concern for ice formation would be as big a deal as it could be...

orndog 02-09-2013 07:56 AM

This seems like as good a place as any to ask this... what type of lights are stock on the 2013s? Mine are so much better than my old '03.

minuccims 02-09-2013 08:23 AM

H7s for lo beam and 9005s for DRL/Hi beam on 10-12. I have an 07OB that uses H7s as well, but it's quite dim in comparison. My hunch is the headlight is much better shaped to formed the light beam.

Have you ever tried to polish the surface of the lens on your 03? That will be an improvement.

orndog 02-09-2013 08:32 AM

Thanks, those are just standard old halogens right?
I would have polished the surface on the '03 but ended up trading it in. Loved that care but it needed a lot more than a headlight fix...

minuccims 02-09-2013 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by orndog (Post 4286326)
Thanks, those are just standard old halogens right?
I would have polished the surface on the '03 but ended up trading it in. Loved that care but it needed a lot more than a headlight fix...

Yup.

Got 74K miles on OEMs by not using the AUTO light selection. 2013s may have corrected the voltage spike issues reducing bulb longevity.

Just ordered these:
http://store.candlepower.com/naraulhiouh7.html
http://store.candlepower.com/narapo5hi90h1.html
The 9005s may not be available from Narva; looking into this...


There is a motorcycle company near me, Twisted Throttle, that has designed some fantastic LED beams; Denali D2Ds. The lens can be swapped for a wide-spread beam or focused beam. They are only 10W total! They are coming out with a larger light that permits the beam to be focused better.

http://static.twisted-throttle.net/m...n_text_web.jpghttp://static.twisted-throttle.net/m...mparison_3.jpg
http://www.twistedthrottle.com/denal...s-and-m8-mount

The second picture notes how the distance was arrived at.

So HIDs, LEDs, these are personal options, and LEDs are becoming affordable with kick ass performance.

wrxwhit 02-09-2013 09:29 AM

Pics when installed please!

CHUCKmfnNORRIS 02-09-2013 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaijubei (Post 4286060)
IMO, get what improves the functionality. LEDs could get the same job done as an HID, but those LED setups are expensive...thousands of dollars expensive.

They are not that expensive if you already own projector lenses. RSI has a nice kit for $150


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