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QuickPaws 01-17-2013 08:06 PM

First time experiencing this failure
 
So, went out to start the car this morning (1992 Sub. Legacy Wagon, non turbo awd auto. It's been having hard start issues lately, and is the subject of another post on here from me (lost 2/4 in the transmission)

This morning, turned the key made the briefest of attempts to engage the starter, then cut all power. I mean everything. KO/EO (in acc) = no lights. No dash, no brake, no HL. Nada. Zip. I checked battery connections, fusible links, fuses, relays (that I could find) You name it. Checked volts @ battery (12.7v) I'm out of ideas, and my job (actually, 2 jobs, since my buddy and I share the car), is on the line. I think my next step would be to jump the starter, and see if it engages; but can I do that with it still mounted (undo wiring, jump from hot>starter trigger and try and start the car?) Or is that a bad idea? I'm in no real hurry, per se... but I need to get this resolved.
This damn car will be the death of me. :spin:

Thanks!

QuickPaws 01-17-2013 10:04 PM

18 views, and not a single tip or bit of advice? D: *sad panda* C'mon fellas, brainstorm! ;)

Max Capacity 01-18-2013 04:29 AM

Bad ignition switch ?

Can you by pass the key and see if it starts ?

QuickPaws 01-18-2013 07:12 AM

That's one of my next things; I'm gonna jump the starter and see if it cranks; This is the damndest thing I've ever seen a vehicle do. :/

QuickPaws 01-18-2013 10:35 AM

Just to verify - Put key on (as if rolled back from starting it) and then jump the hot terminal to the starter trigger on the starter solenoid, yeah? Or do I have to run hot from the battery to the trigger? (I expect same result, the difference is that I don't have wire to run from the positive post on the battery to the starter trigger. >> )

QuickPaws 01-18-2013 10:51 AM

I should also mention that I can rotate the engine (I know, it's not a motor. Wasn't thinking) by hand enough to know it's not locked up... getting my hands and arms in there to do that was... interesting. // When trying to start (turning key to ign) it basically acts like there is an ultra high drain (amp drain) on the battery (-everything- dimes, door chimes get weak and prolonged, so on and so forth), but when I have the vM hooked up to it, there's no drain on the battery at all. (still ~12.5v)

09obpleg 01-18-2013 12:18 PM

Bad starter, were you able to jump it to see if it turns the engine? Or how do your battery cables look? Not just the ends.

F1inspiredLGT 01-18-2013 12:48 PM

It sounds like the amps in the battery are drained, even though the volts remain normal. Either take the battery to an auto parts store and have them run an amps test, or try another battery.

QuickPaws 01-18-2013 06:09 PM

Wasn't able to jump the starter; Either it won't jump, or I was making bad contact (I had my 18inch screw driver out there, no go). Cables are in great shape, no corrosion at the posts or throughout the wire. (I live in NM, so no road salt, or weather really. X) ) // Thing is, it will occasionally get full power again (full dash lights, fuel pump kicks on, and when I try to crank it, it instantly kills it, and goes into what it's doing now. :/

QuickPaws 01-18-2013 06:31 PM

I should also mention that there is a clicking sound under the drivers dash, at the kick plate. I figured it was a relay, but not of the kick plate relays are actually clicking. After further research, and following wires up // back, there is a ... something, with a green connector above the kick plate fuse center that is clicking. I can feel it when it's doing it (as I'm touching it). I also tossed the charger on it, but naturally, it says it's charged. Just to clarify, hot (the large bolt on the starter) to the smaller spade terminal will jump the starter right?

F1inspiredLGT 01-18-2013 06:50 PM

Then it could be a relay issue, based on that. I would still take the battery and starter out and have them tested, so you can check those off.

QuickPaws 01-18-2013 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F1inspiredLGT (Post 4252561)
Then it could be a relay issue, based on that. I would still take the battery and starter out and have them tested, so you can check those off.


See, that's what I thought... but whatever this thing is isn't a relay. At least not in a traditional sense (square // rectangle) And I don't appear to be able to remove it. I prolly won't be able to test either until tomorrow. I have O'Reilly's near me, and I'm pretty partial to them, so I'll bring it there.

F1inspiredLGT 01-18-2013 11:15 PM

When you have an issue like this, it's better to start ruling out the easy & cheap things first, before you start digging into the more difficult things. It could possibly be a bad starter thats shorting everything out, so that's a good reason to have it checked out too. Let us know how they check out and we'll go from there.

QuickPaws 01-19-2013 09:09 PM

Alright.. so my job's more or less on the line; as the Asst. Manager (it's not that cool, I promise) I need to be there. I work till Tuesday, so that'll be the first time I have time to work on it again. My next plan is to pull the starter, and just hook it to the battery to see if it engages. (off the engine) If it does, can I presume the starter is fine, and that the problem lies behind it (in the ignition switch, or wiring somewhere between?)

I'm sorry for all the seemingly random posts; I'm trying to be as thorough and complete as I can. I used to work tech support, so I know remote tech'ing is a friggin PITA if your presented with incomplete information.

Thanks again, and stick with me if you have nothing better to do.

F1inspiredLGT 01-21-2013 10:16 AM

Taking the starter off and testing it with a battery is fine. If it engages off the car, then yes it's good. If it doesn't engage back on the car, then you know it's link to something else at this point.


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