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clearanceman 10-09-2012 08:29 AM

Need help with Alignment, no one can align this car in this town!
 
2000 legacy L wagon. Couldn't find an alignment shop that could align the car, found one and after going there 8 years, the guy that ran the machine died. Back to the alignment wasteland. I've been to one shop that really didn't do much of anything correctly. I went to one this morning that tried to tell me I have no front cam bolts, I said I do I just changed the struts I know they are in there. They aligned the front but claimed there were no adjustments for the back and it's out.

This shop gave me a printout so that's progress. It shows the front is ok now but the back is out Camber -1.9 degrees drivers side, -1.1 degrees passengers side, everything else is within specs front and rear.

I'm pretty sure there are camber adjustments for the rear or at least an aftermarket camber kit. I'm out $50 for today if I get this stuff and go get another alignment there, but at least I won't destroy the new tires in my garage waiting for the time I ever get the car aligned.

What do I need to tell them about rear camber adjustments or do I need an aftermarket camber kit?

It's a good thing I just changed my own front struts so I could tell the tech that there actually are camber bolts in the front. Wow, seriously this whole town is driving around with mis-aligned subarus.

ShadowImg 10-09-2012 08:31 AM

There are not camber adjustments in the rear (stock). -1.9deg rear makes me think you have suspension damage (or at least severe wear?) You WILL get dynamic negative camber, so maybe the rear is sagging hard? Did you have lots of weight back there?

You could probably fix it with aftermarket camber bolts, but you might want to find out why there is so much negative camber first.

Only toe is adjustable in the rear with stock parts.

clearanceman 10-09-2012 08:44 AM

Interesting, had stock rear struts with 180 on them or so. Bought some OEM from ebay with 63,000 on them, struts springs, everything all assembled about 25,000 miles ago. The rear doesn't look like it's sagging at all though.

ShadowImg 10-09-2012 08:45 AM

OE springs, or maybe lowering springs? I think wagon springs are longer than sedan, if you got sedans it might lower and add neg camber.

That said, if they zero toe out, probably not a big deal to run -2deg of camber. Might want bolts to even it out though.

clearanceman 10-09-2012 08:47 AM

I was rear ended a couple years ago, it broke the bumper support mount and bent a frame rail. I took the money, bought a new bumper support mount and put it all together. But it was the right rear corner which is only -1.1 degrees. The left side wasn't hit and it's -1.9. Anyway, what's the cheapest way to fix this? At least I know the shop actually can align a car. 2nd shop I've found in this whole area that can align a Subaru.

clearanceman 10-09-2012 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ShadowImg (Post 4106839)
OE springs, or maybe lowering springs? I think wagon springs are longer than sedan, if you got sedans it might lower and add neg camber.

That said, if they zero toe out, probably not a big deal to run -2deg of camber. Might want bolts to even it out though.

I actually did make sure I got wagon struts when I ordered off ebay vs. sedan. Toe is -.02 on both sides, pretty close to zero. How do the aftermarket cam bolts work? I actually can't find them for the rear on ebay, only for the front.

The alignment shop said it would be ok as long as I rotated the tires on a regular basis. I'd like to fix it though if possible.

Would new springs fix it?

Guy that works at a Subaru repair shop once told me, the outback springs will fit on the legacy wagon struts, they are just compressed more. Would that fix it?

clearanceman 10-09-2012 08:56 AM

Would this work?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Subaru-Cambe...sories&vxp=mtr

ShadowImg 10-09-2012 08:57 AM

No way I can improve on this, so here: http://www.dirtyimpreza.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=6365

I don't know the geometry well enough to tell you what might correct it, if the frame isn't straight, that certainly would explain why it's so different L/R.

clearanceman 10-09-2012 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ShadowImg (Post 4106863)
No way I can improve on this, so here: http://www.dirtyimpreza.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=6365

I don't know the geometry well enough to tell you what might correct it, if the frame isn't straight, that certainly would explain why it's so different L/R.

That's a very nice page, thank you.

clearanceman 10-09-2012 09:19 AM

If I buy new rear struts or used OEM, I don't know that it's going to help, I don't have sag problems and the rear is not crashing or riding too soft.

ShadowImg 10-09-2012 09:38 AM

Well the -1.1' rear camber isn't that odd. I think that's in stock tolerances. The -1.9' I think is just out -- I don't know your model year though, so you should check.

I think it's allowed up to like -1.5' or so. What is odd is that you have so much difference L/R, but if your frame isn't straight, that makes sense.

clearanceman 10-09-2012 09:48 AM

According to the print out, -1.1 is the outer limit of negative camber for the rear. The right side is at -1.1, it's marked red but it's right at the limit. It's strange that the side that was hit is right at the limit, the side that wasn't hit is -1.9. I guess I could get a camber bolt kit for the left side, the alignment shop said they didn't exist so I'm worried they won't know how to adjust it.

ShadowImg 10-09-2012 09:49 AM

They're the same 14mm camber bolts used on everything. It's not Subaru specific.

clearanceman 10-09-2012 10:12 AM

Ok, I just worried that since they've never heard of camber adjustments on the back, they wouldn't know how to do it. But you're saying they never heard of it because it's not there and if they saw a camber bolt, they would know what to do with it.

They also said if I put 100 pounds in the back area, it would probably offset it for the most part anyway.

rougeben83 10-09-2012 05:33 PM

there's a bolt in the back that adjusts camber/toe at the same time. It's located near the rear diff.

If you can't get it corrected with that, you'll need this.

http://www.whiteline.com.au/product_...sans_vehicle=1


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