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Han'sGT 09-17-2012 01:47 PM

New Tires: V or W...help
 
Ok, so i ditched the oem turanza on the 3.6R. Horrible wet traction. I upgraded to the Conti DWS which i ran on the ol GT. Traction is fantastic with these, but I'm missing the ride comfort of the turanza. I'm thinking of meeting in the middle with the Michelin Primacy MXM4's....stepping down from UHP to a quality Grand touring tire.

Besides being expensive the only issue I'm facing is which to get. Theirs a 94W and 98V XL 225/50/17 tire. I'm a little hesitant on the W because of its the same as the DWS and the possibility of extra firm sidewalls. But yet the compound and tread pattern is different than the DWS. I'd be fine with V except for the XL load rating...that probably means extra ply sidewalls which could make them as firm or firmer than the W....dunno. Any one got any ideas?

Bolksey85 09-17-2012 06:31 PM

I sell those same Michelin's at work (different size and ratings but same tire) and I can say that Michelin always has a very tough, thick sidewall. The DWS feel like chewed up gum compared to the MXM's. Honestly, I can't see you going wrong either way. They (Michelin's) will still probably ride just as well if not better than the DWS while lasting 10k+ miles more.

krzyss 09-18-2012 05:33 AM

Usually XL tires have stiffer sidewalls (to handle extra pressure required to handle extra load).
I have never heard about people complaining about lack of comfort with DWS. What pressures are you running?

Krzys

DugsSin 09-18-2012 07:10 AM

Trying to make same choice.
 
Very interested in the same tires and putting ride comfort/noise at top of the list.

Have you tried contacting Michelin? 1-800-847-3435

Han'sGT 09-18-2012 07:41 AM

^ I emailed them yesterday. If I don't hear anything by afternoon I'll give them a ring.

Han'sGT 09-18-2012 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krzyss (Post 4076227)
Usually XL tires have stiffer sidewalls (to handle extra pressure required to handle extra load).
I have never heard about people complaining about lack of comfort with DWS. What pressures are you running?

Krzys

Was running them at 39/37psi. Dialed them back to 34/33psi...a little more comfy now. I don't think they are that bad its just I think I really don't need a UHP tire anymore (with the R). The Michelins have plenty of grip but from talking to some people and reading reviews they are much more comfortable as they are meant as a touring tire, not edge of your seat style driving.

krzyss 09-18-2012 10:19 AM

How many miles on DWS? Maybe use them and replace them later? DWS should have better winter traction than Primacy MXM.

Krzys

outahere 09-18-2012 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Han'sGT (Post 4075225)
..........I'm thinking of meeting in the middle with the Michelin Primacy MXM4's....stepping down from UHP to a quality Grand touring tire.

Besides being expensive the only issue I'm facing is which to get. Theirs a 94W and 98V XL 225/50/17 tire.............

Michelin has a 30 day satisfaction guarantee on these tires. Buy the V tires, if you don't like how they ride, bring them back within 30 days and get the W rated tires.

Han'sGT 09-25-2012 07:45 AM

^ I emailed Michelin, they said they both should have the same comfort given W is SL vs. V is XL. However they said the W will have better traction. So I went with the W. (installing today) They have that 30 day like you said. If these are still too firm, I'll probably step down to the Bridgestone Serenity Plus...less performance but slightly better snow traction.

outahere 09-26-2012 02:01 PM

^^ So how do you like your new tires?

Han'sGT 09-27-2012 08:30 AM

^ Ok initial thoughts...take into account I have less than 100 miles on them so they probably still have a little residue on them and aren't fully"broken" in.

Car: 2011 3.6R w/ OEM suspension except for 19mm rear sway bar. OEM wheels.

225/50/17
Michelin MXM4 94W vs. Conti DWS 94W
...if I were to grade 1-10

Comfort: M: 9 DWS: 7 (M feel much smoother as they are a LRR tire. M take bumps and impacts better...not as soft as OEM 93V Turanza, but they sucked in every other category)

Noise: M: 9 DWS: 7 (M are very quiet)

Dry Traction: M: 8.5 DWS: 9 (Only docking the M a half point. I only notice a difference during extreme cornering. Perhaps I just have more confidence in the DWS as I have 3 years exerience with them vs. 1 week. The M are just a tad behind in feeling secure the entire way through a hairpin turn at high speed. I'll take it....much more enjoyment out of the overall ride quality.)

Wet Traction: M:8.5 DWS:9 (Read Dry Traction)

Sexy: M:7 DWS:9 (DWS just more pretty although M have nice big blocks)

Other notes:

Side Wall:
Some people say the DWS have soft sidewalls. I've never found them to be an issue. I will say when you push on the side wall of the M you can see the tread block move with it, with the DWS the sidewall alone squishes in.

Highway Ride:
M:9 DWS:7 (DWS never felt fully balanced...could feel a bit nervous at times. Had that with the GT...took several times to balance them and get them feeling "correct"...but were worse this time around on the R)

Snow Traction: M:7 DWS:9 (Pure guess, but given my good experience with DWS in the snow and looking at tread pattern, DWS wins here)

Price w/MPG and Tread Life M: $728 ($182ea.) (online price match Mr. Tire) DWS: $552 ($138ea.) (Discount tire) Prices are sometimes lower w/ promotions, but using these prices for example.

Many people I've emailed or reviews I've read say it looks like you can expect 40-45K out of the M while probably 30-35K out of the DWS...which I would support give my experience with the DWS. For sake of argument we'll knock it down to 20% more out of the M instead of 25%.

So at 20% more tread life on the DWS that's another $110 to the DWS to get the same mileage as the M. Making them now $662.

Now if you factor in the M being LRR tires which should gain you better MPG. (Again a guess, but given tread pattern and tire purpose i think its plausible) I'll shoot low here...a mere 0.5mpg gain (2.5% at 20MPG). At 12000 miles a year you'll drink 600 gallons with the DWS and 585 gallons with the M. At $3.75 a gallon that's $56.25 a year. Add that over 3 years and the DWS cost jumps to $830.75.

Bottom line, I'm not sorry I switched. If you want to feel more of the road and need better snow traction go with DWS. If you want more comfort go with MXM4.

UPDATE:

Observation this morning. The smooth sidewall area on the MXM4 is taller than the DWS. From the lip to where the tread starts on the MXM4 is @64mm, while @54mm on the DWS. Same OD, the DSW tread just wraps around further. So I would guess under extreme cornering they may have the edge. Although the MXM4 has firmer sidewall so perhaps they would not flex as much...dunno.

outahere 09-27-2012 05:13 PM

Nice review. I have the same priorities as you. I'll be getting a set of these soon. Just waiting until the Nov/Dec time frame for the holiday season rebate offers to show up from Michelin and Discount Tire.

outahere 10-08-2012 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Han'sGT (Post 4089395)
^ Ok initial thoughts...

Noise: M: 9 DWS: 7 (M are very quiet)...........

Are the MXM4s quiet even on rough textured asphalt pavement?

Han'sGT 10-08-2012 03:13 PM

^ not "quiet", but less noise then most tires I've driven on.

outahere 10-09-2012 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Han'sGT (Post 4089395)
^ Ok initial thoughts...........................
Sexy: M:7 DWS:9 (DWS just more pretty although M have nice big blocks)...............

The MXM4s have a subtle asymmetric tread design, don't they? I assume Michelin molds a big "outside" on the sidewall?


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