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dimanart 07-19-2012 05:25 PM

Attn lgt 05-09 owners: Blown turbo legal case
 
I'm collecting information from dealers as well as individual owners to file a case against Subaru for what seems to be a failure to acknowledge a design flaw in 05-09 Legacy GT that causes premature turbine failures. Personally I’m “only” on my second turbo: first one failing at 70k – car has never been on the track or ever been abused, oil changes on the clock every 3K and all service done (mechanic at the dealership mentioned a customer with 6 turbo replacements on ’07 LGT) Talking to numerous owners over the past 1.5 years I found out that majority of issues are deemed to be due to banjo bolt inlet/filter clogging up and causing oil starvation which in turn causes the bearings to go – I have no comment on that, however the dealer’s response (2 different places, official Subaru dealers) nodding their heads towards this issues also– they can’t give an official confirmation due to possible legal action from Subaru. Please share your experiences (Car’s year, mileage and circumstances that lead to turbine failure, and any other info you think might be useful) PM if you don't want to reply to the main thread.

liljonson 07-19-2012 05:34 PM

101k miles and it's been tracked,beaten and raped. Not one problem and no shaft play. Boosting near 20psi and I use Mobil synthetic and even 5-20 weight sometimes. I do not check my oil regularly and change my oil around 3-4k. I use a wix filter.

dimanart 07-19-2012 05:39 PM

You use stock turbo I'm guessing ?

liljonson 07-20-2012 05:07 AM

Yup. But then there are people who do the right thing and they are blowing up turbos left and right.

I also always let my car warm up for atleast a minute before I drive it. I don't get into boost till I'm completely warmed up and let my car idle for atleast a minute before I turn it off

05 LegacyGT 07-20-2012 06:26 AM

Mine went out at about 84,000 miles. Can't say anything about how the car was treated or maintained because I bought it at 83,000 miles. By the way, it really sucks spending a lot of money on a car and then having to replace the turbo a month later :mad:. I was not driving the car when the turbo went so I don't know exactly what happened, but I know it was not being driven hard. The last time I had driven the car, it felt completely normal, nothing at all indicated a failing turbo.
EDIT: The car was completely stock at the time.

FWIW, I think it's very important to let the car warm up before driving it hard and especially letting it cool down before shutting it off. I think a lot of people don't do this and that may be contributing to all the failed turbos.

GTTuner 07-20-2012 06:27 AM

The VF-40 was just a poorly engineered piece. Personally I think the bearing is too small.

With that said, I have a VF-40 converted to an 18g by Blouch. 80K , 18.5psi tune and it still is fine......and I left the banjo filter in there also. When mine goes I certainly will not replaced it with another IHI turbo.

RJS5689 07-20-2012 08:04 AM

I had 85k miles on my stage 2 vehicle that was driven like I stole it and never had a turbo problem. My clutch, however, that's a different story.

With that said, I've seen many people who had stock vehicles blow turbos in few miles.

RabidWombat 07-20-2012 09:12 AM

Any sort of legal action will require a VERY high bar to have any chance of success.

Its not really a safety issue so unlikely to fall under recall category and get NHTSA involvement.
Any failures that are outside of warranty already face an uphill battle.
Because of the effect of OCI, you're going to need full maintenance records.

Realistically, you need sort of evidence that Subaru was aware of the problem, and did nothing to address it. Subaru did try to address the issue by switching turbos, and lowering the OCI for 08-09.

RJS5689 07-20-2012 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RabidWombat (Post 3989789)
Any sort of legal action will require a VERY high bar to have any chance of success.

Its not really a safety issue so unlikely to fall under recall category and get NHTSA involvement.
Any failures that are outside of warranty already face an uphill battle.
Because of the effect of OCI, you're going to need full maintenance records.

Realistically, you need sort of evidence that Subaru was aware of the problem, and did nothing to address it. Subaru did try to address the issue by switching turbos, and lowering the OCI for 08-09.

Exactly. I don't see this going anywhere in the court. Even if someone tried to pursue it, they need to realize how deep an auto manufacturer's pockets are.

Now, if it was an issue like BMW's failing HPFP on N54 engines, it would definitely go somewhere, but this isn't a safety issue that has been ignored by Subaru.

broknindarkagain 07-20-2012 09:51 AM

I don't know why you guys keep blowing turbos.

Collectively between the last 4 Legacys I've owned...my wife and I have put well over 500k miles on them....and never once had a turbo failure.

SCASEYS 07-20-2012 09:52 AM

^ because all have been N/A....
silly 2nd gens...

GTPpilot 07-20-2012 10:45 AM

Could also collect info on bad wastegates on VF-46's....seizing...moving out of place etc.,. I personally know of 2 on '08 LGT's. Have seen posts about others. Not as bad as bad bearings, but a problem resulting in turbo replacement none the less.

TheOneDoubleN 07-20-2012 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by broknindarkagain (Post 3989888)
I don't know why you guys keep blowing turbos.

Collectively between the last 4 Legacys I've owned...my wife and I have put well over 500k miles on them....and never once had a turbo failure.

Because













Race car.

laff79 07-21-2012 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCASEYS (Post 3989892)
^ because all have been N/A....
silly 2nd gens...

nothing gets by you, smartypants!

TehRicer 07-21-2012 04:02 PM

OEM Turbo went out @ 99k ...which spun a rod & toasted the engine.

I bought the vehicle from another person who had it rebuilt by a Subaru dealership, so I have no idea how it was treated prior to the "incident."

The turbo was sent to BNR Supercars for a rebuild. BNR Supercars recommended the FP (unfiltered) feed line kit. 20k miles later, my BNR 16G failed. So, what was the issue this time? -A "contamination issue" is what I was told.

hm, so how did BNR Supercars know that the contaminates came from elsewhere other than the turbo:iam:


...hmm now BNR Supercars recommended me a IP&T (FILTERED) feed line kit.

So, BNR, why are you recommending the IP&T Feed Line Kit NOW, but before you were recommending the FP unfiltered:iam:

Yeah, I feel screwed over.


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