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Hugo L. 01-25-2012 08:51 AM

Weird issue : car acting as if the key was still in the ignition
 
This morning I turned my car off, and as I opened the door, the little bell that chimes when your key is in the ignition kept chiming.

Then, I tried locking it with the remote... nope, not working.

Opened the door, tried to lock it using the switch... nope, it unlocks itself immediately, exactly like when the car is running and you want to lock the door and it won't let you do it.

Has anyone ever experienced this?

Thanks!

CapnJack 01-25-2012 09:06 AM

I'm 'guessing' that there is a microswitch inside the ignition key switch tumbler that says the key is there and that switch is stuck. You can try putting some powdered graphite in there to loosen it up. Is it really cold by you right now? (less then 30 degrees?) The temperature might be playing a role in it.
If that doesn't work, it might be new ignition key switch time.

Hugo L. 01-25-2012 09:23 AM

It was cold the last few days, but it's actually pretty nice right now.

I'll try to lube it up.

el5y 01-25-2012 06:38 PM

hmm..this happened in my wife's Saab 9-3. The ignition switch or something had gone bad. $400 to replace but then again Saab's are quirky SOBs. In fact the car was still running with the key out. It was really weird.

Hugo L. 01-25-2012 09:10 PM

Talked to my tech, indeed, ignition switch. Like I needed that...

BlackWagon GT 10-09-2012 08:06 PM

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I have answers that do not involve ignition cylinder replacement! I found this question asked in multiple posts but none ended in a solution. Keep in mind, this was a semi-quick proof-of-concept fix with the materials I had on hand. I have no idea if this will work in all cases, but at least it's something.

First, if you don't have time to work all the way through this, the easiest way to get key remote function back is to just disconnect the ignition key insertion switch. The connector is on the left side of the steering column, under the trim pieces about even with the dash pad. In the first picture, it is the one on top; four pin with two wires.

In my case, the problem was caused by stacked tolerances, for lack of a better description; probably a combination of fatigued plastic and slightly worn parts. Essentially what I did is "tighten" the switch with a couple plastic ties. One went just around the switch itself, the second went around the ignition cylinder and switch to remove a little more tolerance and keep the first tie in place.

Getting the first zip tie around only the switch is easier if you can remove the microswitch from the ignition cylinder. Small fingers here are an asset.
The steering wheel needs to come off in order to remove the top column trim, but with the turn signal stalk removed I was able to move the trim far enough left to make sufficient clearance around the top of the cylinder to get a 1/4"-drive #2 Phillips socket and ratchet in there to remove the microswitch. The connector to the vehicle harness will come off of its mount with a small tap towards the front of the car. Once out, loop a small zip tie and snug it down around the top of the white microswitch enclosure. This should force the microswitch inside it down slightly and remove any slop.

Reinstall the microswitch back into the cylinder. Remove the bracket under the column that is held on my four Phillips screws to get additional clearance. Feed a long tie around the cylinder, routing it between the two wires on the switch, and snug it down, making sure that all that is in the loop is the cylinder and switch (no wires, brackets, etc.)

At this point you can test it, and if all goes well, reassemble. In trials, I found that if I removed the key too slowly the key reminder would still stay on, but in real-world scenarios that has not happened since I did the procedure.

Give it a shot, and let me know if you have any questions.

-Kyle

Bubbaray 12-04-2013 10:20 AM

I am having the same issue with my 06 legacy. Has anyone found a fix or solution for this? Thanks

JmP6889928 12-04-2013 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackWagon GT (Post 4107970)
I have answers that do not involve ignition cylinder replacement! I found this question asked in multiple posts but none ended in a solution. Keep in mind, this was a semi-quick proof-of-concept fix with the materials I had on hand. I have no idea if this will work in all cases, but at least it's something.

First, if you don't have time to work all the way through this, the easiest way to get key remote function back is to just disconnect the ignition key insertion switch. The connector is on the left side of the steering column, under the trim pieces about even with the dash pad. In the first picture, it is the one on top; four pin with two wires.

In my case, the problem was caused by stacked tolerances, for lack of a better description; probably a combination of fatigued plastic and slightly worn parts. Essentially what I did is "tighten" the switch with a couple plastic ties. One went just around the switch itself, the second went around the ignition cylinder and switch to remove a little more tolerance and keep the first tie in place.

Getting the first zip tie around only the switch is easier if you can remove the microswitch from the ignition cylinder. Small fingers here are an asset.
The steering wheel needs to come off in order to remove the top column trim, but with the turn signal stalk removed I was able to move the trim far enough left to make sufficient clearance around the top of the cylinder to get a 1/4"-drive #2 Phillips socket and ratchet in there to remove the microswitch. The connector to the vehicle harness will come off of its mount with a small tap towards the front of the car. Once out, loop a small zip tie and snug it down around the top of the white microswitch enclosure. This should force the microswitch inside it down slightly and remove any slop.

Reinstall the microswitch back into the cylinder. Remove the bracket under the column that is held on my four Phillips screws to get additional clearance. Feed a long tie around the cylinder, routing it between the two wires on the switch, and snug it down, making sure that all that is in the loop is the cylinder and switch (no wires, brackets, etc.)

At this point you can test it, and if all goes well, reassemble. In trials, I found that if I removed the key too slowly the key reminder would still stay on, but in real-world scenarios that has not happened since I did the procedure.

Give it a shot, and let me know if you have any questions.

-Kyle

Good job. Not having this issue myself but I'm sure it can be a lifesaver and $$$ saver for a lot of people. :)

ragman 12-04-2013 12:45 PM

LOL, I think my subaru is held together with zipp ties, I have those damn things everywhere!

bluesuby 12-05-2013 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CapnJack (Post 3721793)
I'm 'guessing' that there is a microswitch inside the ignition key switch tumbler that says the key is there and that switch is stuck. You can try putting some powdered graphite in there to loosen it up. Is it really cold by you right now? (less then 30 degrees?) The temperature might be playing a role in it.
If that doesn't work, it might be new ignition key switch time.

I'm not sure graphite is a good idea since it conducts electricity. How about WD 40 or a similar product?

ehsnils 12-05-2013 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluesuby (Post 4661324)
I'm not sure graphite is a good idea since it conducts electricity. How about WD 40 or a similar product?

I agree - graphite is good on purely mechanical locks, but when you have electricity involved things can get a bit strange.

Not sure if WD-40 is the best lube for a lock, but it will probably work. Mostly because I'm a bit paranoid about those "one size fits all" solutions that actually don't fit anyone.


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