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markc0220k 11-14-2011 08:50 PM

what to prepare for first time track day...?
 
going a light track day soon. since i'm just a beginner, i'm thinking to simply stronger its (09 spec B) chassis and handling first.

so here is my question ... what will i need to do? smiply upgrade like f/r strut, f/r antisway bars, f/r lower arm bar...etc?

how about springs? did some search and wow, set of pink springs' are about $500!!

how about the brake? is simply set of brakepad can do better job over stocks? or don't waste money on those minor upgrade, go straight to BBK like StopTech?

beside, which online vendor can provide all i need so i can just shop once?

any suggestion would be very appreciated, thank you so much
mark

StoplightAssassin 11-14-2011 09:20 PM

For your first ever trackday you don't need to upgrade anything.

Just make sure you've kept up with your general maintenance and it's a good idea to bleed the brakes.

If you have money burning a hole in your pocket...track pads, good brake fluid, and the right set of tires will make a big difference.

AShoe 11-14-2011 10:52 PM

Brake pads first. Sway bars second.

slimjoe 11-14-2011 11:14 PM

I'm with StoplightAssassin. For now just do the basics, if your oil is a little old or getting close to the change interval, put new fluid in. If it's been a while since you last changed your brake fluid, that's a good idea too.

Otherwise, go as you are now and you'll see what you'll need to modify for the next time.

nm+ 11-14-2011 11:25 PM

Pads and brake fluid (nothing fancy, ATE superblue is fine)
I don't think the OEM/OEM type pads will do so well on a track day. I'd recommend something better.
I'd also change oil before and after.

Really what you need to do is make sure everything is in great shape. CHECK YOUR ROTORS FOR CRACKS.
Expect the LCA bushings to tear after a few trackdays, but you can deal with it when you get there.

Me, i'd do in order:
Brake fluid-->pads-->oil change-->oil temp/pessure gauge-->tires-->a good alignment--> good suspension -->sways (people do sways first because they're cheap, not because they're a good first step. They are more for adjustment, not fixing the car.) -->front LSD -->cooling (may be needed earlier in some climates) --> maybe power
Please note that I don't view anything beyond the oil change as necessary.

sub4ru 11-15-2011 01:50 AM

First track day? Just replace your brake fluid and pads. Everything else is fine. Make sure you get at least one cool down lap, and don't use your e-brake in the pits. Otherwise you will leave a heat mark on your rotor from your pad.

Don't forget to have fun!

Max Capacity 11-15-2011 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by sub4ru (Post 3633050)
First track day? Just replace your brake fluid and pads. Everything else is fine. Make sure you get at least one cool down lap, and don't use your e-brake in the pits. Otherwise you will leave a heat mark on your rotor from your pad.

Don't forget to have fun!

The ebrake is a drum style brake inside the rear rotors, it is not the rear calipers. Why would using it cause a heat mark on the rotors.

markc0220k 11-15-2011 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by StoplightAssassin (Post 3632926)
For your first ever trackday you don't need to upgrade anything. Just make sure you've kept up with your general maintenance and it's a good idea to bleed the brakes.
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thanks StoplightAssassin, i totally understand. i'd driven miata for almost 12yrs, went few times autox. But now, my spec B is almost half ton fatter than my previous miata! so, i would think if i need some simple chassis upgrade (somehow i still think my 95 stock miata is much stronger than my 09 spec B?! )

thanks for your reminder, of coz, brake is important too, but since my car is just 2yrs old, do i need to change brake fluid...?

thanks

markc0220k 11-15-2011 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by AShoe (Post 3633003)
Brake pads first. Sway bars second.

afaik, sway bar will increase the load of the chassis, that's why i 'm thinking to add few lower bars.. thanks AShoe

markc0220k 11-15-2011 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by slimjoe (Post 3633011)
go as you are now and you'll see what you'll need to modify for the next time.

thanks for your suggestion.. it's true that have a race then figure out which area(s) to spend money ...well, i'm sure first thing on my upgrade list will be the driver!! : )

BAC5.2 11-15-2011 05:14 AM

Tires first.
Brake pads/fluid second.
Struts and springs third.
Sway bars fourth.
Bushings fifth.
Power last.

markc0220k 11-15-2011 05:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sub4ru (Post 3633050)
one cool down lap, and don't use your e-brake in the pits. Don't forget to have fun!

thanks for your reminder, sub4ru!! i almost forgot to bring my stop mat! thanks!!

RochNY91TSI 11-15-2011 06:49 AM

If you're interested in trying out track pads, let me know. I have a set that's got about a day's worth of meat left on them that I would sell for cheap- Hawk DTS-70 front, DTS-60 rears.

StoplightAssassin 11-15-2011 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by markc0220k (Post 3633111)
thanks StoplightAssassin, i totally understand. i'd driven miata for almost 12yrs, went few times autox. But now, my spec B is almost half ton fatter than my previous miata! so, i would think if i need some simple chassis upgrade (somehow i still think my 95 stock miata is much stronger than my 09 spec B?! )

thanks for your reminder, of coz, brake is important too, but since my car is just 2yrs old, do i need to change brake fluid...?

thanks

The Spec B will never handle like a Miata, but then again the Spec B is a much more forgiving car.

Your stock fluid is probably fine for daily driving...a bleed will definitely help for the track though. You don't want your brakes fading on the second lap.

If you were going to upgrade your fluid, you should go with something with the highest boiling point like Motul RBF 600 or ATE Super Blue. I prefer the Motul.

sachilles 11-15-2011 09:39 AM

I'll echo most of what is above.

Needs:
New/fresh brake fluid, complete system flush.
New brake pads with more than 50% life left. A track oriented pad is suggested.
Jack up each corner, check for any play in the wheels, and make sure the tires have life left in them. Nothing worse than getting dinged at tech for something you could have corrected at home.

Wants:
Better tires
Suspension upgrades.
In car video and or data logging(if allowed). Much easier to learn what you can improve on if you can see it after the fact.
A safe harness/restraint system upgrade. Keeping secure to your seat pays dividends.

Take an instructor as much as you are able. Everybody seems to think it's such a big deal to go solo that they rush to do it. Take every bit of instruction you can.


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