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Roldan 01-02-2010 03:59 PM

5MT Transmission Failure(s)
 
Hello,

My Mom has an '05 Legacy GT Wagon with a 5sp manual that she bought new in Jan of '05 after her '99 A6 Avant was totaled. I favored a Subaru to another Audi assuming it would be more reliable. I question that sentiment now as I do not expect major failures in cars at 90k mi.

The car has been regularly serviced at Carter Subaru in Shoreline, WA including oil changes. The dealer is indicating that a bearing has gone bad inside the transmission case. The transmission makes a strange noise at light to medium loads in 3rd and 4th gear. The dealer quoted a price of $2500 to repair the transmission. I think it is ridiculous to have to pay for such a repair in a car that only has 90k on it and would like to know if anyone has had luck getting Subaru or a dealer to cover such repairs.

Also, I've been searching on here to see if I could find a thread that details a STI tranny swap into a LGT wagon but haven't found anything. My understanding so far is that the tranny bolts into place and there are no changes needed to the drive shaft. Is this correct? I also assume that the STI tranny has the front end geared to 3.90 so the rear end gears would have to be changed to match. Are there 3.90 final drives available for the R160 or would it have to be upgraded to a R180? If my parents do have to pay for this repair I would like to use equipment that won't fail in another 90k.

johnAWD 01-02-2010 04:02 PM

I'd take it somewhere besides a stealership. Honestly.

pillboy 01-02-2010 04:08 PM

I think mom needs to stop launching it at stoplights.

seanrose 01-02-2010 05:02 PM

^ agreed...... i know 07 lgt r160 diffs have a 3.90 reduction gear. i will print out all the model year's transmission data monday at work.

ehsnils 01-03-2010 01:23 AM

Center diff failure - again?

That was why I did trade my old car ('05 model) - before it did get too bad. And that was a 2.0i. I was quoted something in the vicinity of $1000 for fixing that.

So is this maybe an issue that is frequent on the '05 model for the 5MT? I have seen other threads around here on that issue. And the shop where I brought my car for diagnostic did have another gearbox with the same issue.

Anyway - it would be good to know what exactly was wrong, since this starts to look like a general issue if many are suffering from the same trouble.

http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54215
http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113311
http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118933
http://legacygt.com/forums/showpost....postcount=1099

ehsnils 01-03-2010 01:45 AM

Moved thread and put it as "Sticky" since this seems to be a problem occurring for different members.

See above links.

MarkV 01-03-2010 08:16 AM

Don't go to thew dealer bud, you will always pay triple what you'd normally pay at a regular shop.

My friends mom took her crv(honda) to replace the engine and they wanted 2500 for a used engine!!!!!!!!!! (talk about highway robbery)

Meanwhile I went to a friend of mine and got quoted for around 500 - 1000 in a junk yard that was in perfectly good condition

(this is *lower* new york)

f1anatic 01-03-2010 08:41 AM

Roldan bro, you've gotta come clean about it....you are driving you mom's car, launching it and generally driving like you stole it. And the car is tuned. You know what gave it away ? Your knowledge of the gearing ratios and the desire to put an STI tranny into it. If it was your mom's (and moms are unlikely to buy a manual car, regardless of how Euro born and raised they are), you'd be very happy to repair the OEM one because it is her car and you would not care for a better one.

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I know people with approximately double the factory power still on the OEM spec gearbox...They are very reliable to about 300 whp (the general wisdom here on the site). You should look into your clutch|TOB options before you split the tranny and do your 2nd, 3rd and 4th synchros. And as far as the tranny swap threads...they are everywhere; there's even one or two stickies and/or Master Threads. And yeah...go elsewhere...$2500 is too expensive.

f1anatic 01-03-2010 08:46 AM

EHNILS, this is not worthy of a sticky and it is unlikely to be the center differential in his case. I appreciate your eagerness to help though but your Euro knowledge is superseeded by that of actual GT owners who repaired their transmissions. And if you pass a fine comb thru his statement, no mom's wagon needs an STi tranny unless it is (1) modified; (2) driven aggressively; (3) not driven by the mother

By the way, I just got my car back on the 16th of December after a complete transmission overhaul.

Roldan 01-03-2010 05:39 PM

Some clarification... All information regarding gear ratios specific to this car was gained by searching this site yesterday. I rarely drive this car and have not been launching from stop lights. I'm a licensed road racer so it is not in my nature to go around launching cars from stop lights and I'm also adept at not destroying cars if they are designed and built properly. No one is driving the car incorrectly. The car is used mostly for city driving but it should be able to handle more than 90k with that usage. The car is also stock except for Blizzaks for winter tires and the successor to the RE730 used in the summer.

I want to do the 6MT because they have fewer reliability issues as far as I know and I would expect a fuel mileage increase due to lower revs. The fact that the problem can be identified w/o opening the case indicates that the current 5MT is not up to the task.

I will see my parents tonight hopefully they will have a document that states what the problem is.

Maybe the best solution is to get a junk yard tranny and try to rebuild this one so we can replace transmissions when the clutch is due.

j255c 01-03-2010 07:16 PM

I've got a tranny with a rebuilt center diff and transfer case. Problem is i blew up 3rd gear quickly therafter. I sell it to you for cheap!

D_rock 01-24-2010 04:25 PM

I have a 2006 subaru legacy gt and have blown fifth gear for the second time. The first time the car was stock minus the k&n air intake. The second time was at 330 hp going for the 6mt swap. Any ideas why only fifth went both times.

LosAngelesLGT 01-24-2010 05:16 PM

DROCK - I am dieing to know what the heck happened to your tranny actually...

Let me run this through my teenage discombobulator

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roldan (Post 2767254)
Hello,
I drive my Mom's car like I didn't pay for it, because she did. I cooerced and begged her to get a Subaru thinking I would get it eventually. She bought a subaru to replace her Audi that I totaled. My parents have spent a LOT of money at Carter Subaru in Shoreline repairing the damage I have been doing to the car to try to impress my friends. I think it is SOA's fault definately. Maybe tossing in STI parts will make this the perfect car for me and my mom will finally stop driving it and I can be just like the fast guys on the forum.

Seriously I am really sorry to hear about your transmission problems but you gotta' pay to play. Many fourm members say "STAY STOCK - STAY HAPPY."

I honestly believe that you drive your mom's car like it was stolen. "I'm a licensed road racer so it is not in my nature to go around launching cars from stop lights and I'm also adept at not destroying cars if they are designed and built properly." Because young, male wanna-be racers don't ever launch cars that are not theirs! :lol: :lol: I would be way more inclined to believe you if you said it was occasionally driven like it is tracked.

When you race cars and drive them hard, you cannot expect stock parts to wear at the rate they would driven with a gentle touch. You do know that JOHNAWD has over 400whp in his daily driven (loud) LGT??? He is not breaking things and has enough power to make me pee myself.

Do you have an idea what the Nurburgring does to cars? It eats 'em. Seriously. It is said that one serious lap of the Nur is the same as putting over 1000 miles on your car in regular driving, and it is not said jokingly. BMW scraps many ringtaxi every year instead of selling them used. Why? They are DONE. Just done. Those of us that treat our neighborhood like our own private Nur are bound to go through parts pretty quick.

PS - If your mom does drive like an Andretti and you are not allowed anywhere near it, I do appologize but I would say thats about a 1% chance... It is a chance though, after all... MY MOTHER DRIVES AN STI.

Sunscribed to hear what happened to D_ROCK tranny

FPerron 01-24-2010 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LosAngelesLGT (Post 2799316)
DROCK - I am dieing to know what the heck happened to your tranny actually...

Let me run this through my teenage discombobulator



Seriously I am really sorry to hear about your transmission problems but you gotta' pay to play. Many fourm members say "STAY STOCK - STAY HAPPY."

I honestly believe that you drive your mom's car like it was stolen. "I'm a licensed road racer so it is not in my nature to go around launching cars from stop lights and I'm also adept at not destroying cars if they are designed and built properly." Because young, male wanna-be racers don't ever launch cars that are not theirs! :lol: :lol: I would be way more inclined to believe you if you said it was occasionally driven like it is tracked.

When you race cars and drive them hard, you cannot expect stock parts to wear at the rate they would driven with a gentle touch. You do know that JOHNAWD has over 400whp in his daily driven (loud) LGT??? He is not breaking things and has enough power to make me pee myself.

Do you have an idea what the Nurburgring does to cars? It eats 'em. Seriously. It is said that one serious lap of the Nur is the same as putting over 1000 miles on your car in regular driving, and it is not said jokingly. BMW scraps many ringtaxi every year instead of selling them used. Why? They are DONE. Just done. Those of us that treat our neighborhood like our own private Nur are bound to go through parts pretty quick.

PS - If your mom does drive like an Andretti and you are not allowed anywhere near it, I do appologize but I would say thats about a 1% chance... It is a chance though, after all... MY MOTHER DRIVES AN STI.

Sunscribed to hear what happened to D_ROCK tranny

Good thing for him this spoiled brat is not my kid - not that I'd ever subject myself to having any:mad:

NSFW 01-25-2010 01:10 AM

Damn, you guys are brutal.

Roldan, there are a couple threads in this forum about putting 6MTs into our cars. Read up on them. And come to some meets (check the northwest forum). If you make the right friends, and are willing to turn a wrench, you might not have to pay for labor to get the 6MT installed.

(I want to put a 6MT in my car, but it would be nice to practice on someone else's first...)


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