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groff 03-02-2009 09:36 PM

6MT Master Swap Thread
 
There are basically 2 main options for turning your 5MT into a 6MT.

Option #1:
Transmission Choice: 2007+ LGT Spec B 6MT, 2004, 2005 STI 6MT
Rear Differential Choice: 2007+ LGT Spec B R180, 2004+ STI R180, <2004 Legacy or you can use a regeared stock R160 as well with stock LGT rear axles
Axles: Front - Stock LGT, Rear - 2007+ Spec B or custom Driveshaft Shop Axles

Option #2:
Transmission Choice: 2006+ STI 6MT
Rear Differential Choice: Stock LGT R160
Axles: Front - Stock LGT, Rear - Stock LGT

Etc: DCCD Controller for STI 6MT, 2005+ 2.5i LGT Auto Driveshaft (for Sedan or Wagon based on what you have currently) or 2007+ Spec B Driveshaft, appropriate 6MT flywheel and clutch, 2005 STI front axle seals (recommended), 6MT shift linkage, 6MT shifter, 6MT shift knob (as a note, most donor sets more than likely won't have a knob as most have been robbed from the junkyards :lol:), 6MT slave cylinder, 6MT clutch fork

Quick Pros and Cons to the different components:
<2004 Legacy Differential is not going to be a viscous limited slip (CON)
2007 Spec B 6MT does not contain a limited slip front differential (CON)
2006+ STI 6MT has a 1:1 stepper center differential which allows you to use your Stock R160 on the 07+ cars, if you use an 04-05 STI trans.. the GT 5MT came in 2005-2006 4.11FD 2007-2009 5MT 3.90FD (PRO - Cheaper CON - weaker rear diff if using the R160)


Helpful links for those with lots of time:
Hammer Down's 6MT Swap thread - "the original"
NASIOC's Transmission forums

P/N's:
Spec B Rear Axles - 28421AG03B
R180 Rear Axle Seals – 806732200
05 STi 6MT front half shaft seals:
L/H 806735240
R/H 806735230
Tail Shaft Seal – 806735210

sleeper8406 03-02-2009 11:21 PM

sounds expen$ive

j255c 03-02-2009 11:36 PM

it is, but well worth it.

VTGT 03-02-2009 11:39 PM

Now how about swapping a 6 Speed into a 5eat :)

sleeper8406 03-02-2009 11:39 PM

lol :)

groff 03-03-2009 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VTGT (Post 2333576)
Now how about swapping a 6 Speed into a 5eat :)

A little bit more difficult, but still doable. you'll need all of the above parts plus the clutch master cylinder and a new pedal setup (I'm guessing since the brake and clutch are on the same rotating assembly under the dash). will probably also need a new trim piece inside the cabin and shift boot :p. You'll now also need the 6MT transmission cross braces I would guess.

mwiener2 03-03-2009 07:36 AM

^^^ you'll also probably need to reprogram certain parts of the ECU if possible.... or swap ECUs

frostbite3360 03-03-2009 01:01 PM

Nice little write-up. I was wondering how hard it is for GT's to switch the 6MT the other day.

I'd ask if anyone has done it on an N/A, but you probably couldn't even get it into 6th gear :lol:

I can always dream though.

clutch 03-03-2009 05:14 PM

Now if only DSS would offer upgraded Spec B style axles for use the R180, then we would have our cake and eat it too!

integroid 03-03-2009 08:43 PM

Can we sticky this please!

Waxiboy 03-04-2009 08:02 AM

Which 6MT has a taller gearing? Is it the 2007 STi?

Z0rr0 03-04-2009 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by groff (Post 2333430)
There are basically 2 main options for turning your 5MT into a 6MT.

Option #1:
Transmission Choice: 2007+ LGT Spec B 6MT, 2004, 2005 STI 6MT
Rear Differential Choice: 2007+ LGT Spec B R180, 2004+ STI R180, <2004 Legacy or you can use a regeared stock R160 as well with stock LGT rear axles
Axles: Front - Stock LGT, Rear - 2007+ Spec B or custom Driveshaft Shop Axles

Option #2:
Transmission Choice: 2006+ STI 6MT
Rear Differential Choice: Stock LGT R160
Axles: Front - Stock LGT, Rear - Stock LGT

Etc: DCCD Controller for STI 6MT, 2005+ 2.5i LGT Auto Driveshaft (for Sedan or Wagon based on what you have currently) or 2007+ Spec B Driveshaft, appropriate 6MT flywheel and clutch, 2005 STI front axle seals (recommended), 6MT shift linkage, 6MT shifter, 6MT shift knob (as a note, most donor sets more than likely won't have a knob as most have been robbed from the junkyards :lol:), 6MT slave cylinder, 6MT clutch fork

Quick Pros and Cons to the different components:
<2004 Legacy Differential is not going to be a viscous limited slip (CON)
2007 Spec B 6MT does not contain a limited slip front differential (CON)
2006+ STI 6MT has a 1:1 stepper center differential which allows you to use your stock R160 (PRO - Cheaper CON - weaker rear diff if using the R160)


Helpful links for those with lots of time:
Hammer Down's 6MT Swap thread - "the original"
NASIOC's Transmission forums


Groff, very nice..
FYI to everyone else, all this information was gathered by HAMMER DOWN, myself and groff, during our swaps.. this is real-world info, not speculation.

for the rear diff:

hammer down is running a re-geared WRX unit
i am running a 2004 legacy auto 3.90 (just broke it :spin:), so i am swapping the 05 LGT LSD carrier into the 3.90 legacy housing
and groff is running an R180 and Spec.B Axels. (damn you! :lol:)

groff 03-04-2009 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waxiboy (Post 2335628)
Which 6MT has a taller gearing? Is it the 2007 STi?

Yes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z0rr0 (Post 2335789)
Groff, very nice..
FYI to everyone else, all this information was gathered by HAMMER DOWN, myself and groff, during our swaps.. this is real-world info, not speculation.

for the rear diff:

hammer down is running a re-geared WRX unit
i am running a 2004 legacy auto 3.90 (just broke it :spin:), so i am swapping the 05 LGT LSD carrier into the 3.90 legacy housing
and groff is running an R180 and Spec.B Axels. (damn you! :lol:)

yea, sorry, didn't have any shout outs :lol:

unclemat 03-04-2009 09:12 PM

I am running R180 Torsen w/SpecB axles, too :)

JoeFromPA 03-05-2009 09:44 AM

Cost of parts (if possible, new, since that's more consistent) and approximate number of labor hours needed to swap to a 6mt?

Transmission including clutch assembly/flywheel, or do you need to purchase that seperately?

I'm wondering because I've seen plenty of clutch jobs run $1500 for parts and labor, and it seems like this could be an option if it's $2500-3000 and you plan on keeping the car for a long time.

Joe


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