Picky1 Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Sounds like Toyota and Subaru are starting to share more and more..... Subaru will unveil a hybrid version of its XV Crosstrek small crossover at the New York Auto Show next week. The car will be Subaru's first gasoline-electric vehicle and employ technology based on Toyota Motor Corp.'s hybrid system. Subaru did not say when the car hits showrooms but the company has promised first deliveries sometime this year. Also making a world debut in New York will be a concept version of a new performance model, Subaru says. Fuji Heavy Industries, Ltd., the parent company of the Subaru brand, declined to provide other details. But it released a photo of the hybrid XV Crosstrek in bright lime green. Facing tougher emissions regulations, Subaru is rolling out hybrid technology to lift fuel economy in a fleet traditionally heavy on SUVs, crossovers and all-wheel-drive vehicles. Subaru hasn't disclosed details of its hybrid system. But its hybrid concept cars over the years have sported an all-wheel-drive layout mated to the electrified drivetrain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red beast Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 its about time they made a hybrid [ame= ] [/ame] http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130320/NEWYORK/130329997 http://autoweek.com/storyimage/CW/20130320/NEWYORK/130329997/AR/0/newyork-subaru-xv-crosstrek-hybrid.jpg&maxW=630 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gelacy Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Money literally going up in smoke. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pt37 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Also making a world debut in New York will be a concept version of a new performance model, Subaru says. The new wrx? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higuma Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 No not the new WRX - the Viziv Diesel-Hybrid Concept... It was just at the Geneva Auto Show from March 7 - 17th and will be on display in New York... http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/viziv-concept-diesel-hybrid-video-203895.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubieDriver Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 But, if the Viziv has already made its debut in Geneva, then it can't be called a debut in New York... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Dagwood Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 It had BETTER be the new wrx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickB34 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Agree ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssbtech Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 So much for the boxer diesel coming this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 king wrx Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 It had BETTER be the new wrx. Agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onsit Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 I remember reading post of speculations of an electric power steering, and some ides of an electric turbo charger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 I remember reading post of speculations of an electric power steering, and some ides of an electric turbo charger? The 5th gen Legacy already has an electric power steering, so that's not new. Electrically driven forced induction - well, that's a bit different, but I straight away thinks of this: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyR0U_fYtwY]leaf blower bolt on turbo - YouTube[/ame] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Dagwood Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Oh, HERRROOOOOOO! http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2013/03/subaru-impreza-wrx-concept-1-opt.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Dagwood Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 (still remains to be seen whether this is actually it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Dagwood Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Anybody know when the Subaru press conference is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perscitus Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I talked to two factory engineers and a salesperson who will man the Subaru 'cube' at the NYAS on Tuesday. All confirmed the 'performance model' that will be unveiled is indeed the WRX we see here. And no 2.0 DIT for the USDM Impreza/XV/Legacy anytime soon. Sux Sux sux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidWombat Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Unfortunately, the Subaru hybrid isn't really all that good. Subaru basically had two options: 1) Use Toyota's hybrid design, which would have meant designing an all-new AWD system from scratch. 2) Use an existing CVT+AWD, but this limits you to very small electric motors. Subaru went with this option. In the Toyota design, the electric motor direct drives the wheels through a planetary gear set. The advantage is that you can use any size electric motor and its inherently a CVT. As a result the newest generation Pruis is running a 100 HP electric motor. The more electric motor you use, the better your fuel economy. This also allows for plug-in options, and electric only modes. Honda uses an electric motor connected to the transmission, which limits them to <20 HP electric motors. Honda hybrids just aren't competitive as a result. It seems like Subaru is using a similar implementation to Honda so they could retain AWD. Toyota doesn't have an AWD hybrid so that makes sense. The existing Toyota "AWD" hybrids have an electric motor on the rear axle, but there's no drivetrain linkage. I suspect it'll get about +3 mpg compared with a base XV. Good, but certainly not competitive with the latest generation FWD hybrids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perscitus Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Thx RabidWombat. Spot on. All the specs and estimated MPG (or km/l) figures are there on the official site for the Hybrid. Pathetic MPG gains, very little HP increase too (10-15HP electric motor, tiny and integrated with the CVT, like you said). Its great that Subaru is finally developing/offering a hybrid, but this isn't going to do them much good. Especially with a pricetag uptick of a few K on a 20K car. Sign me up... riiiight. I'd rather just buy the base 2.0i and for that same few Ks, pickup the Raptor supercharger kit or get an Ecutek tune (wake the 2.0i up a bit @ 160-170HP) and still have enough cash for some cometic or suspension upgrades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssbtech Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Idiots. They'd have been better off offering the diesel. "Hybrid" has a lot of marketing hype behind it, I suppose. <sigh> Then again, Honda hasn't exactly been very successful with their hybrids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 just bought conventional crosstrek. fabulous vehicle! can't imagine that hybrid would be an improvement . . . i'm way out of my depth . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eehpeehthreeh Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 I want my BRZ in that green. I am not even kidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red beast Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 gas mileage is very disappointing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WraithAkaMrak Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 2014 Subaru XV Crosstrek Hybrid Prototype (Motor Trend) We hear the hybrid will see a noticeable city improvement, but only a slight highway one - around 28/34 mpg. By sharing its Active Torque Split, and Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive with the gas version, the Hybrid offers equal capability and utility and can lean on the extra 13-odd horsepower from the electric motor when the car needs some more herbs. Why does that matter? Because the stock XV's 2.0-liter engine does not quicken the pulse rate by any stretch of the imagination, but the extra acceleration the motor provides improves performance to an acceptable level.The Hybrid's slightly stiffer spring rates give the car a firmer feel on the road without being detrimental to the ride quality. The car rolls less in corners and feels more stable in a straight line. But it's the tighter steering gear ratio, lowered from 16:1 to 14:1, that gives the Hybrid something that makes it feel more like a Subaru. It turns in quicker with less effort, good steering feel, and just the right amount of road feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueWhiteBoy Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 That's pretty cool. I'll be interested in hearing how it does in tough conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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