JMLegacy Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Newly acquired (old) LGT, driven it about 700KM now and what i've realized is that the brakes are really tough/worthless. What I mean is the amount of force I have to give the brake to get it to stop should not be that much. For example, in my prev car, honda civic, If I applied the same force I'd be shooting through the windscreen! I can get the LGT to stop If i need it to, but i'd have to muscle up my legs. I'm using stock brake parts. Is this dead feeling a result of poor pads or the ballooning effect of the brake lines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamienC Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 i felt the same with mine, changed the stock brakes today to ebc red stuff, huge difference! You'll still need a little bit of pressure on the pedal, but you'll feel a difference. You wont have to put your foot through the floor to stop :-p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMLegacy Posted December 7, 2012 Author Share Posted December 7, 2012 Have a link to this product? please share if you do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamienC Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 http://www.ebcbrakes.com/automotive/redstuff_brake_pads/redstuff_brake_pads.shtml product no: DP31583C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMLegacy Posted December 7, 2012 Author Share Posted December 7, 2012 thnx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero1 Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 I've had great experiences with EBC pads and rotors. My next set of pads will be EBC Red Stuff and tossing the Hawk HPS pads I currently have. Red/brown brake dust and as much as there is from the Hawks is teh sucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 First of all, start with a good brake flush. That will be the base-point. From there a good set of rotors and pads will help immensely. We have been testing the Stoptech Street Performance pads and have found them to be a great balance. Couple them with Centric Premium Rotors and you have a good setup. -Mike Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/145749898/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://www.whiteline.com.au/images/logos/perf1.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. Like us on Facebook! | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber |AIM: AZP Installs "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spc2125 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 ^^^^ Finally switched you off those HPS pads huh Stoptech pads FTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 ^^^^ Finally switched you off those HPS pads huh Stoptech pads FTW Nah, the HPS are still great pads and have their place. The cost on the Stoptechs are a pretty good deal and we've spent the past year or so testing them out, we never take claims at face value, especially in this industry. -Mike Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/145749898/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://www.whiteline.com.au/images/logos/perf1.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. Like us on Facebook! | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber |AIM: AZP Installs "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 From your testing, how would you compare the HPS and StopTech side-by-side? I have been less than impressed with the HPS pads on my '05 LGT. As per other complaints, the cold stopping behavior is not up what I would expect from a good street pad (and worse when wet). I am seriously considering switching them out for something else. -Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero1 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 My biggest complaint about the HPS pads is that they dust... so much... brown/red yuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devobuzz Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Funny I was just thinking about my HPS pads for the last few days. They have 30K on them and they really seem to be losing their stopping power. Initally I loved them - not so much anymore. I bought some Porterfield R4-S to try next. No brake dust complaints on the HPS with stock rotors. They dont dust much at all...FWIW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 From your testing, how would you compare the HPS and StopTech side-by-side? I have been less than impressed with the HPS pads on my '05 LGT. As per other complaints, the cold stopping behavior is not up what I would expect from a good street pad (and worse when wet). I am seriously considering switching them out for something else. -Rob Seems odd as the Hawks actually have much better initial bite than the Stoptechs. The Stoptechs however have a higher heat tolerance and are less likely to chunk up from heat. The only thing I can think is that the HPS were not properly bedded in when initially installed and you now have glazing of the rotors which can lead to poor braking in cold/rain situations. -Mike Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/145749898/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://www.whiteline.com.au/images/logos/perf1.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. Like us on Facebook! | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber |AIM: AZP Installs "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 My biggest complaint about the HPS pads is that they dust... so much... brown/red yuck. The stoptechs will dust the same or a hair more than the Hawk HPS. Although we don't notice a whole lot of dusting in general except on the Hawk HP+ pads. -Mike Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/145749898/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://www.whiteline.com.au/images/logos/perf1.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. Like us on Facebook! | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber |AIM: AZP Installs "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero1 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 My silver wheels become brown/red wheels over the course of a couple weeks. Never had the problem with EBC pads and they had exceptional bite which is why I'm going back to them. I think the HPS pads do pretty well with braking but man, I can't even drive home from the car wash without getting brake dust on the wheels... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claymore_6r Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I have HPS, DBA rotors, Brembo calipers with Stainless steel brake lines and they are phenomenal. Not much break dust on the HPS. That's my $.02! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNVAR Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 My own experiences: I live in NYC and my HPS pads see widely variable driving conditions, from high speed (late at night, no traffic) to low speed bumper to bumper traffic. I also see all sorts of weather from 0 F all the way up to 100+ F, snow, rain, etc. My pads work well, they work quickly, and there is no problem with cold initial bite. However, they dust, and I have no idea how other people can say they don't because they definitely do. I have about 40K on my rotors now and have been using HPS on them, and they are still true with no vibrations. They are quiet, except the occasional high pitched squeak. No loud squealing. Pedal feel was improved going from stock to Hawk HPS, even without a brake fluid bleed, go figure on that one. You would think that pads aren't compressible, but maybe they are, ever so slightly. I have stainless lines and not a big difference, if any... I did the lines independent of other brake stuff.) I have the Grimmspeed Master Cylinder Brace. Noticeable improvement in pedal stiffness, even with the car just sitting still and idling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_ster Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 just new pads will make things better .. or just really heat yours up a couple times. Now that's thinking out of the boxer! fyi all 05 + legacy's have built in code reader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I guess the dusting thing is dependent on how hard you drive and/or the conditions also depending on what you are used to. Compared to HP+ pads, the HPS are considered non-dusting, so it's all relative I would imagine. -Mike Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/145749898/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://www.whiteline.com.au/images/logos/perf1.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. Like us on Facebook! | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber |AIM: AZP Installs "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_ster Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 fyi the subway in montreal uses blocks of wood for brake pads ! Now that's thinking out of the boxer! fyi all 05 + legacy's have built in code reader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Seems odd as the Hawks actually have much better initial bite than the Stoptechs. The Stoptechs however have a higher heat tolerance and are less likely to chunk up from heat. The only thing I can think is that the HPS were not properly bedded in when initially installed and you now have glazing of the rotors which can lead to poor braking in cold/rain situations. Well I certainly followed the bed-in procedure on fresh turned OE disks. I am not sure why they would glaze after that? Is it required to re-bed on regular intervals? I am not really interested in delving into the HPS bad/good discussion. I know there have been a few threads with several user reports similar to mine (as well as several very positive reports). I was only curious how you compare the two since you have reported lots of testing for both. So your summary is; Initial Bite; HPS > ST High heat stability; ST > HPS Dusting; HPS ~= ST Price; ST < HPS Anything else of note? -Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 That about sums it up. I would put the heat stability of the STS = or better than that of the HP+ with the dusting close to that of the HPS. -mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 That about sums it up. I would put the heat stability of the STS = or better than that of the HP+ with the dusting close to that of the HPS. -mike Ok, so would this also be accurate? Initial Bite; STS > HP+ (would you list as >>? ) High heat stability; ST ~= HP+ Dusting; STS << HP+ Price; ST << HP+ (did not look up the differential, but just guessing HP+ are are more that HPS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 No, the STS has less initial bite than the HP+ probably on par with the HPS. Initial Bite; STS ~= HPS < HP+ (would you list as >>? ) High heat stability; STS > HP+ > HPS Dusting; HP+ >> HPS =~ STS Price; HP+ >> HPS > STS -Mike Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/145749898/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://www.whiteline.com.au/images/logos/perf1.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. Like us on Facebook! | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber |AIM: AZP Installs "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Thanks Mike, but that doesn't quite match your initial comments Seems odd as the Hawks actually have much better initial bite than the Stoptechs. Am I misreading something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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