Subaru planning another S402

[SlightlyEvil]

Not sure if this is a repost, I did a search but found nothing recent...

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/30/mitsubishi-evo-mr-and-lightweight-subaru-sti-spec-c-coming/

Read the bottom of the post...

<pant wetting envy of japan begins>

Edit note the title should have been "an S402" not "another S402" haha

[IwannaSportSedan]

I have been CLAMORING for an S402 Legacy since before I bought a
legacy.

Of COURSE it is only for JDM market, par for Subaru's course.

Damn. If I had the money, though, I would import the parts, and turn
my Legacy into a Tuned By STI, or S402.

The 08 STI under the skin is FANTASTIC. it is just that the skin is
so damn ugly.

In the Legacy's sexier 4-door form, (not the WRX 4-door abomination)
the STI's drivetrain would be FAN-FREAKIN'-TASTIC.

S4, M3-4, G35-Sport or G35x (since you can't get both), or Lexus
IS-F... NAH.

Legacy S402, HELLS YEAH, and then a motorcycle to boot, for the price
difference under some of those other cars.

Brembos, BBS forged wheels on 5x114.3 hubs, Bilsteins/pink STI
springs, STI bracing and anti-roll bars, SI-Drive, 6MT with DCCD, and
305 factory horsepower, just begging for STI stage 2 treatment...

The only thing better would be a turbocharged H6 under the hood.
Perrin and Cobb have built a few prototypes, and get WELL north of
400hp and torque out of those.

Evo - not my cup of tea.
STI Spec C - nice for what it is, but not practical, on purpose.

Legacy S402... almost enough to make me go into debt for it. DAMN.

[nekdut]

S402 - "The ultimate grand-touring car"




Special equipment:

* Exclusive 2.5L DOHC
* Exclusive twin-scroll turbo
* STI air element
* Exclusive engine cover (with S402 ornament)
* Serial plate
* Exclusive tuned ECU
* Exclusive 6MT
* 281 hp / 289 lb-ft

* STI tuned Bilstein dampers
* STI springs
* STI pillow ball bushings rear suspension links (F/R lateral link)
* Exclusive 13:1 steering gearbox
* STI flexible tower bar
* STI flexible lower arm bar
* STI flexible floor bar
* Brembo monoblock 6-pot front (silver, STI logo)
* Brembo 2-pot rear
* STI brake hose
* Brembo 18" 2-piece front rotors
* Brembo 17" rear rotors
* Exclusive BBS forged 18x8.0J aluminum
* Exclusive 235/40-18 Potenza RE050
* Exclusive sports muffler (65φ dual with S402 logo)

* Exclusive front grille
* Exclusive front fender
* Exclusive side mirrors (metal style)
* Bi-xenon headlamps with pop-up washer
* STI carbon front underspoiler with rubber spoiler lip
* STI trunk spoiler
* STI/402 ornament
* Exclusive electroluminescent gauges
* STI push-start engine switch (STI logo)
* STI steering wheel
* Exclusive leather shift knob (S402 logo)
* Exclusive leather seats (gray-black with gray stitching)
* 8-way power for driver & passenger seats
* Serial number plate
* Exclusive door trim
* Exclusive interior panels (carbon center console cover)
* Exclusive shift ring
* Exclusive cup holder ring
* Exclusive cup holder illumination
* Exclusive side sill plates (aluminum with S402 logo)
* STI carpet mat


5 colors available:
Diamond Gray Metallic
Midnight Blue Pearl
Obsidian Black Pearl
Satin White Pearl
WR Blue Mica

[VTGT]

^Pictures?

[chenc544]

* Brembo 18" 2-piece front rotors
* Brembo 17" rear rotors
* Exclusive BBS forged 18x8.0J aluminum


That's a neat trick... :lol: Even a Ferrari would be jealous.

[IwannaSportSedan]

Oh, this is SOOOOO :needpics:


Throw a red color in there, and that is a better color palette than what SOA gives us for any Legacy.

[nekdut]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/trev2/P2-8.jpg

[chenc544]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/trev2/P2-8.jpg

Legacy S-concept shown at Tokyo Auto Salon. Now we know what "S" in the S-concept stands for.

http://www.subaru.jp/as2008/e_car/details/img/ph_details7_01.jpg

[IwannaSportSedan]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/trev2/P2-8.jpg

That looks like a 2.0 GT Spec B with an STI badge on the grille, and BBS REs installed.

one would think they could differentiate it a bit. I'll bet it is sublime under the unchanged skin, though.

At least a fresh front and rear bumper treatment... it is the S402, after all.

Edit: good catch on the autoshow pickup.

[Voo]

n00b question, but what does the S402 mean? And why is everyone so excited about it?

[sebberry]

It'll be cheaper to slap a BBK on my Outback and it will be just as good :lol:

[feelander]

n00b question, but what does the S402 mean? And why is everyone so excited about it?


i think the BE legacy sti version was named the S401, and the generation before that was S400, so this is just the next generation.

apparently only 402 units will be made at price of 5.35 million yen (about $52k)

[BDII]

52 k for a legacy? :lol:

You guys see the thread the I posted about the bridge for sale?

[Voo]

i think the BE legacy sti version was named the S401, and the generation before that was S400, so this is just the next generation.

apparently only 402 units will be made at price of 5.35 million yen (about $52k)


Thanks for the reply... and holy canoli, $52k?!?!? I love the Legacy, don't get me wrong, but for that price, I can prob take a GT to Stage 3 and have a bunch of cash left over.

[julikop]

I can prob take a GT to Stage 3 and have a bunch of cash left over.

+1, not sure if it's worth $52K, LGT is what, about $35k, you could do a lot of tuning with $17,000...

Also... a Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG with 451 HP is about $56,000... (I know it's a different class but still...)

[ForcedInduction]

Maybe they are pre-pricing it at $52k because they expect the dollar to crash that much farther. :lol::lol::lol:

Oh wait, that's not funny. :mad:

[BigInALegacy]

Nope... they'd have to do something ELSE to make it worth 52k IMO.

[Voo]

Not sure they can put enough to make a Leggy worth $52k. I like the current LGT pricing as I get leather, AWD, performance and a bunch of other stuff as compared to a/an Audi/ BMW/MB (where at $32k, it's basically entry-level). But at $52k, you can actually GET a decent German car.

Plus the depreciation is gonna be really ugly.

[nemo]

I'd buy that shit in a minute... unless it cost over 40K.

[Maddie08]

You can get a fully loaded (non-spec B) leggy GT for high 20's... whats this 35k nonsense?
And what is the normal leggy cost in Japan? Cars always cost more overseas... I'd imagine it pushes 40k...

[Voo]

You can get a fully loaded (non-spec B) leggy GT for high 20's... whats this 35k nonsense?
And what is the normal leggy cost in Japan? Cars always cost more overseas... I'd imagine it pushes 40k...

It's about 35k if you have it fully-loaded, just like how a S402 will prob be. I'm sorry (yeah, right) if we offended your "sensibilities" by trying to make the comparison of a S402 and LGT as relevant as possible.

[julikop]

You can get a fully loaded (non-spec B) leggy GT for high 20's... whats this 35k nonsense?
And what is the normal leggy cost in Japan? Cars always cost more overseas... I'd imagine it pushes 40k...

I figured that with the tax and everything included.

[Sponge]

If an STI hatch loaded is 39K I would bet an S402 will be 40-42K. For that I'd be all over it b/c you'd be able to pick it up around 35 would be my guess...but 52K is just nuts.

Just pinged my sales guy to let me know when/if he gets any info...:)

[Maddie08]

It's about 35k if you have it fully-loaded, just like how a S402 will prob be. I'm sorry (yeah, right) if we offended your "sensibilities" by trying to make the comparison of a S402 and LGT as relevant as possible.

The S402 is build on the legacy platform, right? So it is like going for the Spec-B package, except this package has much more goodies, so costs more, but not 2x the price...

[SlightlyEvil]

Look at how much the rims alone cost from a dealer - Subaru would look at the REs as being worth at least $10k on the options list, haha

[gt_ltd]

http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/s402/index.html

the third link should be click-able tomorrow...

[loserpro2]

omfg....there might be a S402 wagon! although they should've made a S402 for the 04 JDM/05 USDM series legacy so we'd get the S403 now. but oh well, at least something is coming up this/next year.

[IwannaSportSedan]

Just begging the admin's pardon, no insult intended...

but how is this not Subaru News? (which is why a duplicate thread was started and closed in that forum) This isn't a website-pertinent announcement, like a graphics or software, or format change for the site itself.

This is a Subaru product, and I would normally look in Subaru News and Rumors to find this, and where it was when I posted previously.

The Legacy Concept S thread as well should be in Subaru News. The other threads in the Site Announcements forum seem appropriately located, about website-related topics, and website related products, not Subaru automotive products.

Again, don't mean to upset anyone, I just have to ask about the classification system.

[gt_ltd]

can someone translate the following paragraph?

レガシィのS402が5月中旬には発売らしいけど、最高出力285PS/rpm、最大トルク40kg･m/rpmって…。折角2.5Lエンジン積んでバラ ンスどりまでするんだから350PS/rpmぐらい欲しい!!何のためにSIドライブつんでるんだよ…。SIドライブがあれば使い勝手と両立でき るでしょ うに…。そうそう、値段は535万円。6ポッドだけでも100万するとはいえ高くないか(このスペックで) ？ポルシェ買えるぞｗ出力だけがすべてとは言わ んが、この程度の性能ならニュルで走らなくてもいいんではないかと。

[SubieDriver]

can someone translate the following paragraph?

レガシィのS402が5月中旬には発売らしいけど、最高出力285PS/rpm、最大トルク40kg･m/rpmって…。折角2.5Lエンジン積んでバラ ンスどりまでするんだから350PS/rpmぐらい欲しい!!何のためにSIドライブつんでるんだよ…。SIドライブがあれば使い勝手と両立でき るでしょ うに…。そうそう、値段は535万円。6ポッドだけでも100万するとはいえ高くないか(このスペックで) ？ポルシェ買えるぞｗ出力だけがすべてとは言わ んが、この程度の性能ならニュルで走らなくてもいいんではないかと。

It says (according to the Excite Japanese translator):

S402 of Regashi is : of max power 285PS/rpm and max torque 40kg･m/rpm in the middle of May though it seems to be a sale …. It wants you ..2.5L engine.. to pile up with much trouble like 350PS/rpm because balance and. SI drive why is piled up …. If there is SI drive it coexists and being likely to make it to convenience …. The price is 5.35 million yen so often. Isn't it high even though one million is done only by as many as six Pod (With this spec) Can can ? Porsche purchase w output alone not start with Nul all in case of such a performance though doesn't say?

[SubieDriver]

Babelfish:

However S402 of レガシィ sale seems in the middle of May, the highest output 285PS/rpm, the largest torque 40kg ･ m/rpm っ て.... The time angular 2.5L engine stacking, it does to the balance ど り, therefore it is, about 350PS/rpm we want! ! SI drive stacking because some, the る it is.... If there is SI drive, you use and can be compatible with the selfishness being it does, the ょ sea urchin.... So so, price 535 ten thousand Yen. 100 ten thousand it does with say even just 6 pods it is not high or (with these specifications)? Porsche you can buy, if just w output is everything the word わ, this efficiency, it does not run with ニュル and whether either the て is not is to call, that.

[gt_ltd]

http://laspoliticas.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/confused.jpg

[SubieDriver]

Regashi is how you pronounce Legacy in Japanese, so, S402 of Legacy has max power of 285 PS (281.1 hp), torque of 40 kg/m (not sure of lb/ft.), 2.5 liter engine.
Sounds like they're wanting 350 PS (345.12 hp) (I'd love that too!).
Price: 5.35 million Yen = $50,987.14 US Dollars

[Sponge]

gt_ltd LMAO!

[HangKen]

can someone translate the following paragraph?

レガシィのS402が5月中旬には発売らしいけど、最高出力285PS/rpm、最大トルク40kg･m/rpmって…。折角2.5Lエンジン積んでバラ ンスどりまでするんだから350PS/rpmぐらい欲しい!!何のためにSIドライブつんでるんだよ…。SIドライブがあれば使い勝手と両立でき るでしょ うに…。そうそう、値段は535万円。6ポッドだけでも100万するとはいえ高くないか(このスペックで) ？ポルシェ買えるぞｗ出力だけがすべてとは言わ んが、この程度の性能ならニュルで走らなくてもいいんではないかと。

Holy Crap thats a bad translation.....I guess direct transation will lose the meaning somewhere...
Ok here it goes in a plain english....LOL

"The Legacy S402 is planned to be sold in Mid May. Why is it only 285PS Horsepower, 40kg･m/rpm? Using a 2.5L Engine with all internals balanced, I expect the Horsepower to be at least 350PS/rpm. Isn't that why they have the SI Drive?! Yea and the price of 5,350,000 Yen (Approximately $51,000)....... 6 Pod brakes will run you 1,000,000 Yen (Approximately $9500) but isn't the price too overrated? You can probably buy a porshe with this kinda price. With such spec on this legacy, it's probably not worth it to run it @ Nürburgring."

Yea this person wasn't too happy about the S402 and at the same time, probably does not know too much about the SI Drive also.

Not saying he's dumb or anything, I just did the translation as close as it can be without losing what he or she has stated.

Hope this helped. ;)

[gt_ltd]

thanks hang ken!

[HangKen]

No Problem
Any time you need something translated, and if I have time....LOL
I should be able to help out so let me know.

:)

[JeffK1320]

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd126/sterne6i/Fuji%20Speedway%202008/P1030981.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd126/sterne6i/Fuji%20Speedway%202008/P1030987.jpg

Plenty more pictures in this NASIOC thread.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1340182&page=14

[Sponge]

Love it...even in the color I want my next wagon in. I hope SOA figures this one out...

[loserpro2]

i'd buy that wagon on the spot if i had the money.

[unclemat]

I'd buy that wagon on the spot, have money

[sportwagon]

I'd Buy the wagon on the spot with ^^^ his money!

[loserpro2]

true that!!! :lol: just kidding though..

[oddseth]

The boys on the NASIOC seem to be chatting away like the S402 might have a chance at making it over to our shores. Crossing my fingers in the meantime...

[ih8vtec13]

I seriously doubt that it will make it over here. The US is practically in recession now and nobody will really buy it with the other alternitives out there.

[SubieDriver]

The way I see it, a Legacy S402 or Legacy STI is one of those must-have vehicles that won't be affected much by gas prices.

Those who are worried about mileage wouldn't be looking at one, and those who want one won't care what the mileage is.

I, for one, would buy something like that if it were available, with my only concern being whether or not I could afford it. Having just bought a Tribeca, I can't afford an S402 right now, but give me a couple years and I'll be all over it.

[Metal2You]

I'd buy a Legacy 402 for $52K
.
.
.
If it came with a twin turbo H6!

[ih8vtec13]

I didnt mean due to gas prices i ment more twords the large marp up from the GT it is close to double the price of a GT and dont forget it will probably be a limited edition and there will be dealer mark ups cause its a rare car. its hot but still you can get a GT and mod it out bettter and still be paying less and making more power and better handling.

[oddseth]

I didnt mean due to gas prices i ment more twords the large marp up from the GT it is close to double the price of a GT and dont forget it will probably be a limited edition and there will be dealer mark ups cause its a rare car. its hot but still you can get a GT and mod it out bettter and still be paying less and making more power and better handling.

When the GT Spec.B came out in 2006 in limited quantities, most dealerships near me were offering it at sticker and the ones that didn't sell right away were eventually discounted for a little bit off of sticker pricing. I am pretty sure an S402 or STi would be at the sticker price at all reputable dealerships because they respect their loyal customers. I would pick up an S402 at retail even if it was $40K just to have those upgrades and increased power in a warrantied package. Also, try and install an upgraded interior like the one in the S concept via the aftermarket.

[ih8vtec13]

I doubt we will ever see it in this country, we always get the shaft in getting cool models.

[VtspecB]

Beautiful car, don't get me wrong, but is any one else not diggin' those front quarter panel Buick-esk vents? Did I miss it somewhere, are they even functional?

[SubieDriver]

... we always get the shaft in getting cool models.

Actually, not always. We got the 2.5 STI first, while everyone else was still on the 2.0.

[ih8vtec13]

but that 2.0 could safely rev up to 9k and the 2.5 cant. Also the STi is suposed to be based off the rally car and the rules for rally were no motors bigger then a 2.0.


Trust me I have a counter point for anything you can throw at me :lol:

[SubieDriver]

... but the 2.0 rules were only for World Rally, not US Rally. US allows 2.5 liter engines.

Yes, the 2.0 could rev higher, but it had to in order to wring the power out of it. Though Japan has higher quality fuel, thus they can run higher compression in the 2.0 in Japan than we can in the US versions.

That's one thing that drove the release of the 2.5 here.

If Subaru wanted to, they could build the 2.5 to rev higher, but they haven't felt the need to, as the 2.5 gives more torque lower in the rev range.

If they built the 2.5 like they did the Japanese 2.0, we would have a decided power advantage. I don't think they want their home market overshadowed by the US market.

[jim1969]

I've heard the Legacy STi will be here soon.

[gt_ltd]

+1

I was told it will be here soon...

[SubieDriver]

I was told that too,... by jim1969 and gt_ltd! :lol:

[gt_ltd]

official site updated!

http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/s402

US$50K+

[Mines]

hottness

[oddseth]

I think this thing is going to be a lightweight! If I am correct, the specifications on the web site state that the 6mt dry weight is 1460 kg or approximately 3220 lbs.

[SubieDriver]

I think this thing is going to be a lightweight! If I am correct, the specifications on the web site state that the 6mt dry weight is 1460 kg or approximately 3220 lbs.

That IS a lightweight compared to the current Legacy GT @3400+ lbs. and the Spec.B @ 3530 lbs.

The current lightest Legacy is the 2.5i w/ manual @ 3270 lbs.

[gt_ltd]

who in here is willing to pay $54K for one?

[oddseth]

I wonder why it is that expensive. How much was the LGT Tuned by Sti? This engine cannot be that much more expensive than the engine in the Japanese Sti. My guess is that in the event they decide to bring this car to the US, they will use a single scroll turbo like that in the Sti to keep the price down.

[unclemat]

They are pricy because they are meant to be a "collector" item... special edition at the end of the model life.

They would not/could not charge as much here, simply because of the brand/model recognition (or lack of it).

[JeffK1320]

:eek::eek::eek:

2010 Subaru Legacy (Liberty) details (http://www.motorauthority.com/news/sedans/2010-subaru-legacy-liberty-details/)


http://www.motorauthority.com/news/sedans/2010-subaru-legacy-liberty-details/

The engines will be available in both turbo and naturally aspirated guises. The entry-level 2.0L engine should develop around 200hp, while the a turbocharged 2.5L unit will output close to 300hp. There have also been rumors of a new Legacy STI in the works, which could be carrying a turbocharged 3.7L unit pumping out over 430hp.

[SubieDriver]

I wonder what they're going to do to the 3.6 to make it a 3.7. I doubt it would be an all-new motor already.

[oddseth]

Great find, Jeff. If they bump the base engine to 200 hp and the 2.5 turbo up to 300, this will bridge the gap in performance with the 335xi, G35x, etc. As for a 3.7l turbo, looks like Subaru is eyeballing Nissan's Godzilla Skyline GTR. Hopefully if they pull this off, they will keep the weight down since the Skyline is quite heavy for such a performance beast. Also, hopefully I will be making enough money to afford one of these STi's since they will definitely be in the $50k+ price range.

SubieDriver - they will most likely have to modify the bore and stroke on the 3.6 in order to turbocharge it since the compression ratio on the current 3.6 is too high for reliable turbocharging. They will most likely decrease the bore and increase the stroke slightly in order to increase the wall thickness in between the cylinders. The thickness in the current 3.6 is pretty much as narrow as it can be.

[SubieDriver]

That'll be quite a feat to increase the stroke even more! They had to do the lambchop rods to make it work for the 3.6. Is there enough room in there to increase stroke any?

[oddseth]

Good question. I do know that the changes would be minimal - maybe they could change the diameter of the crankshaft to increase the stroke. Either way, my chances of having a stroke would increase if they ever produce this engine!! Would sound like a 911 turbo.

[Mines]

Great find, Jeff. If they bump the base engine to 200 hp and the 2.5 turbo up to 300, this will bridge the gap in performance with the 335xi, G35x, etc. As for a 3.7l turbo, looks like Subaru is eyeballing Nissan's Godzilla Skyline GTR. Hopefully if they pull this off, they will keep the weight down since the Skyline is quite heavy for such a performance beast. Also, hopefully I will be making enough money to afford one of these STi's since they will definitely be in the $50k+ price range.

SubieDriver - they will most likely have to modify the bore and stroke on the 3.6 in order to turbocharge it since the compression ratio on the current 3.6 is too high for reliable turbocharging. They will most likely decrease the bore and increase the stroke slightly in order to increase the wall thickness in between the cylinders. The thickness in the current 3.6 is pretty much as narrow as it can be.

no way subaru is aiming for the GTR, just dont see it

[SubieDriver]

Yeah, Subaru doesn't have the bank account for that, but they could definitely make a more affordable, slightly less capable gran touring sedan for those of us who can afford one. (Well, I could've, until I bought my Tribeca...)

[Buru]

any updates?

[SubieDriver]

Well, other than the fact that the S402 is now official, and in production for Japan only, no updates. Can't get them here. Maybe by the time they're on the S407 they'll come here...

Here's an article that says they were due to go on sale on June 27th:
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/15/jdm-goodness-subaru-legacy-sti-s402/

I'm sure they're sold out by now. They were probably sold out before production started.

[Buru]

cool well thanks man. That car is so crazy! It is like 300hp correct?

[Buru]

what tire size? those look like the BBS RE's!!! I like mine.

[SubieDriver]

cool well thanks man. That car is so crazy! It is like 300hp correct?

282hp.
http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2008/05/subaru-legacy-sti-s402-limited-edition.html

what tire size? those look like the BBS RE's!!! I like mine.

18" BBS wheels, 235/40R18 tires.