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Tide

01-13-2004, 07:18 PM

2005 Subaru Legacy

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Official Legacy Information
Press Release; SUBARU INTRODUCES ALL-NEW 250-HORSEPOWER LEGACY 2.5 GT FOR 2005 (http://vocuspr.vocus.com/VocusPR30/DotNet/Newsroom/Query.aspx?SiteName=Subaru&Entity=PRAsset&SF_PRAss et_PRAssetID_EQ=75397&XSL=PressRelease&Title=Relea ses&Cache=False)
PDF Document; 2005 Legacy 2.5i & 2.5 GT At A Glance (http://vocuspr.vocus.com/VocusPR30/DotNet/Newsroom/ViewAttachment.aspx?SiteName=Subaru&Entity=PRAsset &AttachmentType=F&EntityID=75407&AttachmentID=e74a 336e-207e-4c3f-b748-6b8445c8d6ef)
PDF Document; 2005 Legacy 2.5 GT Specs (http://vocuspr.vocus.com/VocusPR30/DotNet/Newsroom/ViewAttachment.aspx?SiteName=Subaru&Entity=PRAsset &AttachmentType=F&EntityID=75406&AttachmentID=d334 4db0-7f7c-42ca-8ed4-860cdc197b5f)

A full list of details can be found at:
Need-Desire.com (http://www.need-desire.com) (Official Legacy & Outback Site)
SubDriven (http://www.subdriven.com)

Flyby video can be seen here:
Large - 28MB (http://www.nspr.com/ken/Legacy_GT_640.wmv)
Small - 6.6MB (http://www.nspr.com/ken/Legacy_GT_320.wmv)

Models & Base Prices (with 5MT) - $575 Destination & Delivery Included
Invoice in '( )' with Destination & Delivery Included
-Subaru Legacy 2.5i Sedan - $21,570 ($19,936)
-Subaru Legacy 2.5i Wagon - $22,570 ($20,848)
-Subaru Legacy 2.5i Limited Sedan - $25,020 ($23,076)
-Subaru Legacy 2.5i Limited Wagon - $26,220 ($24,171)
(Add about $1000 for 4EAT)

-Subaru Legacy 2.5GT Sedan - $26,570 ($24,487)
-Subaru Legacy 2.5GT Wagon - $27,570 ($25,398)
-Subaru Legacy 2.5GT Limited Sedan - $29,070 ($26,763)
-Subaru Legacy 2.5GT Limited Wagon - $30,270 ($27,856)
(Add about $1200 for 5EAT)

Options:
*PEG1 - Upgraded Security System, Auto-Dimming Mirror $281 ($183)
*Security System Upgrade $98 ($64)
*Auto Dimming Mirror/Compass $183 ($119)
*Subwoofer/Amplifier $273 ($178)
*Air Filtration System ($56) $85
*Fog Lights $365 ($274) 2.5i base models ONLY
*Moonroof Air Deflector $73 ($48) Limited Models ONLY
*Rear Spoiler $380 ($285) Sedans ONLY

*PerfGroup1 - STi Short-Throw, STi Pedal Kit, Momo Shift Knob $601 ($392) GT Models ONLY
*Short Throw Shifter $339 ($221) Manual Models ONLY
*Momo Shift Knob $97 ($63) Manual Models ONLY
*Momo Shift Knob $112 ($73) Automatic Models ONLY
*Metal Pedal Set $165 ($108) Manual Models ONLY
*Metal Pedal Set $141 ($92) Automatic Models ONLY

*OutdoorRecGroup1 - Square Crossbar Set, Cargo Basket, Forkmount Bike Attackment w/ Wheel Holder $675 ($401) Wagons ONLY
*Roof Rack Square Cross Bars $150 ($85)*Wagons ONLY
*Ski Attachment 6 pair*$140 ($82) Wagons ONLY
*Heavy Duty Roof Cargo Basket. Wagon only $335 ($208)*Wagons ONLY
*Fork Mounted Roof Top Bike Carrier $155 ($91)*Wagons ONLY
*Front wheel Holder $35 ($17)*Wagons ONLY
*Front Hood deflector $85 ($45) not installed
*Cargo Net, Rear $42 ($28) Wagons ONLY
*Cargo Net, Rear sides, Set of 2 $68 ($45) Wagons ONLY
*Cargo Net, Rear of Rear Seatback $42 ($28) Wagons ONLY
*Rear Cargo Tray $75 ($46)*Wagons ONLY
*Rubber Floor Mats $55 ($33)

Colors:
-Satin White Pearl
-Atlantic Blue Pearl
-Regal Blue Pearl
-Obsidian Black Pearl
-Brilliant Silver Metallic
-Garnet Red Pearl GT Models ONLY

ESTIMATED PERFORMANCE
Official SOA 0-60mph claims:
- Impreza WRX STi = 4.8sec
- 2005 Legacy 2.5GT = 5.5sec
- Impreza WRX Sedan = 5.8sec
- Forester XT = 6.1sec

Information Available Based on Best Available Sources

2.5i Specifications
Body: 5-pass. sedan and wagon
Wheelbase: 105.1 in.
Length: 186.2 in. (188.7 in., wagon)
Engine: (Legacy 2.5i & Legacy 2.5i Limited) SOHC H4, 2.5-liter
Horsepower: 168 @ 5,600 rpm
Torque: 166 lb.-ft. @ 4,000 rpm
PZEV version: 163 hp @ 5,600 rpm 166 lb-ft. @ 3,600 rpm
Mileage: 23/30 with 5MT, 22/30 with 4EAT
Weights for the 2.5i (manual/auto):
• Sedan: 3200/3245
• Wagon: 3255/3300
• Sedan Ltd: 3265/3310
• Wagon Ltd: 3335/3380

Key Legacy 2.5i Standard Features
• 16x6.5-inch 5-Spoke aluminum alloy wheels
• 205/55 R16 all-season tires
• Reinforced 5-speed manual transmission
• Optional 4-speed electronic direct control automatic transmission with SPORTSHIFT manual control
• 4-wheel disc brakes with ABS and Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD)
• AM/FM stereo system with single-disc CD player
• Charcoal flat-woven upholstery
• Silver-metallic trim
• Combination digital clock and trip computer
• Cruise control
• Foldable, body-color exterior mirrors with integrated turn signals
• Front seat side-impact airbags and side curtain airbags
• Active front seat head restraints
• Height-adjustable driver’s seat
• Leather-wrapped 3-spoke steering wheel designed by MOMO®
• Performance-design front seats
• Power door locks
• Power mirrors
• Power windows with driver’s auto-down
• Remote keyless entry system with engine immobilizer
• Sport-design electroluminescent instrumentation
• Steering wheel SPORTSHIFT controls (automatic transmission)
• Projector beam halogen headlights and foglights
• Aluminum-alloy hood
• Dual chrome exhaust outlets

Legacy 2.5i Limited models add:

• 8-way power driver seat with 4-stage heating
• Dual-zone automatic climate control system
• Leather-trimmed upholstery

2.5GT Specifications
Body: 5-pass. sedan and wagon
Wheelbase: 105.1 in.
Length: 186.2 in. (188.7 in., wagon)
Engine: (Legacy 2.5 GT & 2.5 GT Limited) DOHC H4, 2.5-liter, intercooled turbo
Horsepower: 250 @ 5,600 rpm
Torque: 250 lb.-ft. @ 3,600 rpm
Mileage: 19/25 with both 5MT & 5EAT
Weights for the 2.5GT (manual/auto):
• Sedan: 3300/3365
• Wagon: 3355/3420
• Sedan Ltd: 3365/3435
• Wagon Ltd: 3435/3500

Key Standard Features (Legacy 2.5 GT)
• Reinforced 5-speed manual transmission
• Optional 5-speed electronic direct control automatic transmission with SPORTSHIFT manual control
• 4-wheel ventilated disc brakes with ABS and Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD)
• 17-inch alloy wheels
• 215/45 R17 all-season tires
• 120-watt AM/FM stereo with 6-disc in-dash CD changer and six speakers
• All-Weather Package with 4-stage heated front seats, heated exterior mirrors and windshield wiper de-icer
• Charcoal flat-woven upholstery
• Titanium metallic trim with patterned accents
• Combination digital clock and trip computer
• Cruise control
• Dual-zone automatic climate control system
• Foldable, body-color exterior mirrors with integrated turn signals
• Front seat side-impact airbags and side curtain airbags
• Active front seat head restraints
• Height-adjustable driver’s seat
• Leather-wrapped 3-spoke steering wheel designed by MOMO®
• Performance-design front seats
• Power door locks
• Power mirrors
• Power windows with driver’s auto-down
• Remote keyless entry system with engine immobilizer
• Sport-design electroluminescent instrumentation
• Steering wheel SPORTSHIFT controls (automatic transmission)
• Projector beam halogen headlights and foglights
• Aluminum-alloy hood with functional hood scoop
• Dual chrome exhaust outlets

Legacy 2.5 GT Limited models add:
• 4-way power passenger seat with manually adjustable lumbar
• 8-way power driver’s seat
• Glass power moonroof (single-panel on sedan, dual-panel on wagon)
• Leather-trimmed upholstery

Notable 2.5GT Specs
Engine Specs: 2.5-liter DOHC intercooled, turbocharged 16-valve 4-cylinder Subaru Boxer engine with AVCS (EJ255 or EJ257?)
Compression ratio: 8.2:1
Max. boost pressure: 13.5 psi
Redline: 6500rpm
Horsepower: 250 @ 6,000rpm
Torque: 250 @ 3,600rpm

5-Speed Manual (4.111 Final Drive) Transmission (Center & Rear LSD’s):
1st-3.166 / 2nd-1.882 / 3rd-1.296 / 4th-0.972 / 5th-0.738 / Reverse-3.333

5-Speed (3.270 Final Drive) Electronic Automatic Transmission (Center & Rear LSD’s):
1st-3.540 / 2nd-2.264 / 3rd-1.471 / 4th-1.000 / 5th-0.834 / Reverse-2.370

Steering Ratio: 15.0:1

Brakes:
(Front) 316x30mm Vented Disc, 2-Piston Floating Calipers
(Rear) 290x18mm Vented Disc, 1-Piston Floating Calipers

Coefficient of drag (Cd): Sedan: 0.28 / Wagon: 0.30

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2005 Subaru Outback

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Official Outback Information
Press Release; SUBARU RELEASES STATEMENT REGARDING 2005 MY OUTBACK CLASSIFICATION (http://vocuspr.vocus.com/VocusPR30/DotNet/Newsroom/Query.aspx?SiteName=Subaru&Entity=PRAsset&SF_PRAss et_PRAssetID_EQ=75833&XSL=PressRelease&Title=Relea ses&Cache=False)
Press Release; SUBARU INTRODUCES THIRD-GENERATION OUTBACK MODELS (http://vocuspr.vocus.com/VocusPR30/DotNet/Newsroom/Query.aspx?SiteName=Subaru&Entity=PRAsset&SF_PRAss et_PRAssetID_EQ=77277&XSL=PressRelease&Title=Relea ses&Cache=False)
PDF Document; 2005 Outback At A Glance (http://vocuspr.vocus.com/VocusPR30/DotNet/Newsroom/ViewAttachment.aspx?SiteName=Subaru&Entity=PRAsset &AttachmentType=F&EntityID=77286&AttachmentID=7f0d 086a-f6b5-492f-aedf-d1d213bdf05d)
PDF Document; 2005 Outback 3.0R Specs (http://vocuspr.vocus.com/VocusPR30/DotNet/Newsroom/ViewAttachment.aspx?SiteName=Subaru&Entity=PRAsset &AttachmentType=F&EntityID=77291&AttachmentID=5728 6990-2d61-47b7-bf1b-9336c3ed6fac)
PDF Document; 2005 Outback 2.5XT Specs (http://vocuspr.vocus.com/VocusPR30/DotNet/Newsroom/ViewAttachment.aspx?SiteName=Subaru&Entity=PRAsset &AttachmentType=F&EntityID=77290&AttachmentID=1731 9535-73dd-4779-b21b-9311941f27d6)
PDF Document; 2005 Outback 2.5i Specs (http://vocuspr.vocus.com/VocusPR30/DotNet/Newsroom/ViewAttachment.aspx?SiteName=Subaru&Entity=PRAsset &AttachmentType=F&EntityID=77288&AttachmentID=57ce ba00-4523-413a-8304-22032f8b8b5f)
WMV Video; 2005 Outback Press Presentation at 2004 Chicago Auto Show (mms://12.155.244.242/video/nw1/autoshow11.wmv)

Models & Base Prices (5MT std on 2.5i & 2.5XT models) - $575 Destination & Delivery Included
Invoice in '( )' with Destination & Delivery Included
-Subaru Outback 2.5i - $24,570 ($22,668)
-Subaru Outback 2.5i Limited - $27,570 ($25,398)
(Add about $1000 for 4EAT)

-Subaru Outback 2.5XT - $28,570 ($26,308)
-Subaru Outback 2.5XT Limited - $31,270 ($28,766)
(Add about $1200 for 5EAT)

-Subaru Outback 3.0R Sedan - $31,570 ($29,039)
-Subaru Outback 3.0R L.L. Bean - $32,770 ($30,131)
-Subaru Outback 3.0R VDC Limited - $33,970 ($31,223)

Options:
*PEG1 - Upgraded Security System, Auto-Dimming Mirror $281 ($183) Std on LL Bean Wagon
*Security System Upgrade $98 ($64) Std on LL Bean Wagon
*Auto Dimming Mirror/Compass $183 ($119) Std on LL Bean Wagon
*Air Filtration System $85 ($56)
*Subwoofer/Amplifier $273 ($178) Std on VDC Model
*Short Throw Shifter $339 ($221) Manual Models ONLY
*Momo Shift Knob $97 ($63) Manual Models ONLY
*Momo Shift Knob $112 ($73) Automatic Models ONLY

*Cargo Area Convenience Group Cargo Nets - Rear, Seatback, Left & Right Side,*Cargo Area Spotlight $217 ($140) Wagons ONLY
*Cargo Net, Rear $42 ($28) Wagons ONLY
*Cargo Net, Rear sides, Set of 2 $68 ($45) Wagons ONLY
*Cargo Net, Rear of Rear Seatback $42 ($28) Wagons ONLY
*Cargo Area Spotlight $39 ($65)*Wagons ONLY

*OutdoorRecGroup1 - Square Crossbar Set, Cargo Basket, Forkmount Bike Attackment w/ Wheel Holder $675 ($401) Wagons ONLY
*Ski Attachment 6 pair*$140 ($82) Wagons ONLY
*Rubber Floor Mats $55 ($33)
*Trailer Hitch $369 ($240) Wagons ONLY
*Front Hood Deflector $85 ($45) not installed
*Front Bumper Guard $136 ($89) Std on 3.0R Models
*Moonroof Air Deflector $73 ($48) Sedans ONLY
*Rear Spoiler $380 ($285) Sedans ONLY
*Wheel Locks $41 ($27)

Colors:
-Satin White Pearl 3.0R Sedan ONLY
-Atlantic Blue Pearl 3.0R Sedan ONLY
-Brilliant Silver Metallic 3.0R Sedan ONLY
-Champaign Gold Opal All models EXCEPT 3.0R Sedan
-Garnet Red Pearl All models EXCEPT 2.5i, 2.5i Limited and LL Bean
-Obsidian Black Pearl
-Atlantic Blue Pearl w/ Granite Gray Opal trim All models EXCEPT 3.0R Sedan
-Brilliant Silver Metallic w/ Granite gray Opal trim All models EXCEPT 3.0R Sedan
-Champaign Gold Opal w/ Granite Gay Opal trim 2.5i and LL Bean models ONLY
-Satin White Pearl w/ Granite Gray Opal trim All models EXCEPT 3.0R Sedan
-Willow Green Opal w/ Moss Green Metallic trim 2.5i and LL Bean models ONLY

Overview from Subdriven.com
Fully Redesigned Model Line for 2005
• Thoroughly redesigned third-generation Subaru Outback delivers more performance, enhanced safety and greater comfort and luxury while retaining the qualities that made The World’s First Sport Utility Wagon® so influential and popular in the market.
• The 2005 Outback model line is spearheaded by the new Outback 2.5 XT with a 250-horsepower intercooled/turbocharged DOHC 2.5-liter 4-cylinder boxer engine and Outback 3.0 R models powered by a new 250-horsepower DOHC 3.0-liter 6-cylinder boxer engine. These high-powered Outback models combine advanced drivetrains and premium content to compete with a broad range of crossover vehicles, including luxury-brand models.
• Other Outback models are powered by a revised 168-horsepower normally aspirated SOHC 2.5-liter 4-cylinder boxer engine (PZEV certification in states where mandated).

Key Facts
• Slightly larger than previous model: Wheelbase has been increased from 104.3 inches to 105.1 inches; overall length increased by just under two inches.
• Bold new design expresses more dynamic performance and nimbleness. On the Outback 2.5 XT, a functional hood scoop supplies outside air to the engine-mounted intercooler. Outback 3.0 R L.L.Bean Edition is distinguished by a front underguard, specific alloy wheel design, co-branding identification and exclusive exterior colors.
• Outback 2.5 XT offers a choice between a reinforced 5-speed manual transmission or an all-new 5-speed electronic direct control automatic transmission with SPORTSHIFT feature for manual control when desired (using floor shift handle or steering wheel buttons). The new 5-speed automatic transmission is standard for Outback 3.0 R models, which include the SPORTSHIFT shift handle feature but have audio system controls on the steering wheel.
• Built on a new version of the company’s proven Ring-Shaped Reinforcement Frame safety structure, the 2005 Outback models feature as standard front seat side impact air bags, new side curtain air bags and new intelligent dual-stage deployment front air bags.
• Standard 4-wheel-disc Anti-lock Brake System (ABS) with Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD). Outback 2.5 XT uses larger brake rotors than other models.
• Three types of Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive: models with 5-speed manual transmission use a viscous-coupling locking center differential to distribute the power 50/50 front to rear. Slippage at either set of wheels sends more power to the other set of wheels. Models equipped with the new 5-speed automatic transmission use Variable Torque Distribution (VTD), which normally sends more power to the rear wheels to enhance handling agility and continuously adjusts power distribution in response to driving and road conditions. Outback 2.5i and Outback 2.5i Limited models offer an optional 4-speed automatic transmission; these models use an AWD system with an electronically managed continuously variable transfer clutch to actively control power distribution in response to driving conditions.
• Revised front MacPherson strut suspension and rear multi-link suspension feature a wider track and revised geometry to enhance handling and stability. The rack-and-pinion steering system has been redesigned for quicker response, greater precision and improved feel. Outback 2.5 XT and 3.0 R models feature 17-inch alloy wheels; other models have 16-inch alloy wheels. Outback models for 2005 provide 8.4 inches of ground clearance (8.7 in. for Outback 2.5 XT) for increased off-highway driving capability.
• Redesigned interior uses high-quality materials to enhance the driver’s environment and passenger comfort: flush surface treatments, soft foam upper dashboard and soft foam door trim. Standard equipment has been expanded for all models.

Key Features (Outback 2.5i)
• 8-way power driver’s seat (except 2.5 XT)
• 16-inch alloy wheels with 225/60 R16 raised black letter tires
• 120-watt AM/FM/Weatherband stereo with single-disc in-dash CD player and six speakers
• 12-volt rear cargo power outlet
• Air conditioning
• All-Weather Package with 4-stage heated front seats, heated exterior mirrors and windshield wiper de-icer
• Carpeted floor mats
• Combination digital clock and trip computer, including outside temperature display
• Cruise control
• Front seat side-impact airbags and side curtain airbags
• Limited-slip rear differential
• Power door locks
• Power mirrors
• Power windows with driver’s auto-down and illuminated window switches
• Rear window wiper/washer
• Remote keyless entry system with remote gate/trunk unlock

Outback 2.5 XT and Outback 3.0 R models add:
• 120-watt AM/FM/Weatherband stereo with 6-disc in-dash CD changer (also Outback 2.5i Limited); Outback 3.0 R VDC Limited adds upgraded speakers and sub-woofer
• 17-inch alloy wheels with 225/55 R17 raised black letter tires
• 4-way power passenger seat with manually adjustable lumbar (2.5 XT Limited and 3.0 R models)
• Dual-panel glass power moonroof – (Outback 2.5i Limited, 2.5 XT Limited and 3.0 R models)
• Dual-zone automatic climate control system (also Outback 2.5i Limited)
• Foldable, body-color exterior mirrors with integrated LED turn signals
• Leather-trimmed upholstery -- (2.5i Limited, 2.5 XT Limited and all 3.0 R models)
• Black leather-wrapped steering wheel (Outback 2.5i Limited)
• Leather-wrapped steering wheel designed by MOMO® (2.5 XT models – integrated SPORTSHIFT controls with optional automatic transmission)
• Mahogany wood/black leather-wrapped steering wheel designed by MOMO with integrated audio controls (3.0 R models)
• Remote keyless entry system with engine immobilizer
• Sport-design electroluminescent instrumentation (2.5 XT)

Notable Engine Specs:
Outback 2.5i, 2.5i Limited:
2.5L Naturally Aspirated SOHC H4 – 168hp @ 5600rpm – 166lb-ft of torque @ 4000rpm – Available with either 5MT or 4EAT Sportshift

Outback 2.5XT, 2.5XT Limited:
2.5L Turbocharged DOHC H4 w/ AVCS – 250hp @ 6000rpm – 250lb-ft of torque @ 3600rpm – Available with either 5MT or 5EAT Sportshift

Outback 3.0R models:
3.0L Naturally Aspirated DOHC H6 w/ AVCS & AVLS – 250hp @ 6600rpm – 219lb-ft of torque @ 4200rpm – Available with 5EAT Sportshift ONLY

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legacy2ner

01-13-2004, 07:46 PM

What the engine immobilizer on the keyless entry

PPower

01-13-2004, 07:50 PM

Didn't you leave out electro-luminescent gauges in the GT? Or does the US actually not get those either? I thought that I read somewhere that it did.

Tide

01-13-2004, 07:52 PM

I just copied and pasted what I've found from other sources. I can modify the list if we have more proof.

AMT4SWA

01-13-2004, 07:53 PM

PPower...It is listed in the GT standard equipment above.

PPower

01-13-2004, 07:55 PM

PPower...It is listed in the GT standard equipment above.

:lol: Thar it is! How did I scroll through that? And then Tide missed it, too.

AMT4SWA

01-13-2004, 08:13 PM

Yes the gauge cluster looks very nice and I love the red lit ring around each instrument. I do not like the new separated deep dish instrumentation look like the new TL. The "I have to look all the way down to the bottom of the Campbell's soup can to see the instrument" look is a very strange design IMO. I like a flat panel with some new style lighting to spice things up...looks cleaner and much easier to find data at a quick glance.

legacy2ner

01-13-2004, 09:07 PM

A Man what the engine immobalizer??????????

AMT4SWA

01-13-2004, 09:12 PM

It does not allow the vehicle to start if someone tries to use a fake or copied key. Locks out the engines ECU from allowing the starter to be feed power through a starter relay (power cut-out logic). This is just an advanced theft deterant system...nothing too special.

Tide

01-13-2004, 09:12 PM

I'd assume it to be the security system. Many cars just have a loud horn that goes off. My insurance company offers alarm disounts only if the alarm includes an engine cutout, meaning if an intrusion is detected, it kills the motor's ability to start or run. This is what I would guess the engine immobilizer is doing.

A Man what the engine immobalizer??????????

legacy2ner

01-13-2004, 09:26 PM

Thanks

team23jordan

01-13-2004, 11:34 PM

^STi doesn't have that :roll:

HomerJay

01-30-2004, 12:47 AM

Does the rear seats fold down or is it a pass through?

Nevermind, I saw some pics and it looks like a pass through. :(

SUBE555

01-30-2004, 12:51 AM

Gotta love my ol 97 Leg GT that had the fold-downs in it. Those have come in handy numerous times, particularly when I worked construction.

gtguy

02-01-2004, 10:57 AM

Does the rear seats fold down or is it a pass through?

Nevermind, I saw some pics and it looks like a pass through. :(

(Cough!) Wagon! (Cough!) Wagon! Our seats fold down, flat as a pancake, baby! :D

Kevin

HomerJay

02-27-2004, 05:59 AM

Actually, I was planning on getting a wagon. I would consider a sedan if the rear seats folded down. I need room for snowboards. :D

axis008

02-27-2004, 01:06 PM

Why can't they make power windows with auto up and down for all the windows??? It's not that hard guys! People like me are lazy to keep my finger down or up for 10 seconds.

Yogi29035

02-27-2004, 01:12 PM

I know this is out there, but I wish we were getting a Legacy GT with a hatch in the back. Think SAAB 9000 (I think it was). It would be a perfect fit for what Subaru is trying to do... performance plus functionality. Then just flip down the back seats, and you're good to go.

A pass-through in the Legacy makes no sense to me. It doesn't match Subaru owner's lifestyles, like the guy who doesn't have room for his snowboard (above) without buying a freakin' wagon just for that!

It's typical Subaru illogic, like thw WRX sedan getting an all weather pkg, but the WRX wagon doesn't get one... what? Wagon owners stay home when it snows? Don't get me wrong, love Subaru, but they can be frustrating sometimes.

Anyway, my .02

Gumby

02-27-2004, 01:35 PM

Gumby

02-27-2004, 01:40 PM

gtguy

02-27-2004, 01:41 PM

A pass-through in the Legacy makes no sense to me. It doesn't match Subaru owner's lifestyles, like the guy who doesn't have room for his snowboard (above) without buying a freakin' wagon just for that!

At the end of the day on the mountain us Wagon owners will be telling hero stories sitting in the back with the liftgate open drinking a beer while the sedan owners are figuring out how they are going to re-pack the trunk.

:lol:

And I always loved having wagons, because after the rides where we'd be finishing up just as it started raining, the sedan folks had to take the wheels off, then find somewhere to change. I could just pop my liftgate, throw the whole bike in, and sit on my bumper while being sheltered by the raised liftgate. Niiiice! :D

Kevin

kage

02-27-2004, 04:12 PM

Yogi - I'm right with you. A configuration like the Mazda6 hatch (which IMHO looks better than the sedan) would be a perfect compromise for those of use with only occasional utility needs (e.g. trips to Home Depot and Costco).

HomerJay

02-28-2004, 12:07 PM

Quick question:

How does the rear lift gate open in the back of the wagon? Is it a solid one piece that goes up, split door, or does it open sideways? A pick would be helpful.

PPower

02-28-2004, 01:48 PM

solid gate that lifts up. Traditional wagon/minivan style.

You know, my mom's old Olds wagon had the power rear window, and then the gate could swing open of tilt down like a tailgate. The open rear window and the fold down gate made it so much easier to carry things. Maybe that's why I've always kinda liked the 92-95 Civic hatchbacks.

shelltox

03-05-2004, 09:42 PM

Hi Guys

Does anyone know whether there will be an extended sunvisor similar to those found in late model cars like the Camry, Accord? These will be helpful to shade off the sun from your eyes.

Thanks. 8)

cotmfk

03-06-2004, 07:58 AM

^STi doesn't have that :roll:

Evo does! :D

Sorry, just had to say it!

cotmfk

03-06-2004, 08:01 AM

Why can't they make power windows with auto up and down for all the windows??? It's not that hard guys! People like me are lazy to keep my finger down or up for 10 seconds.

I'm with you on this one! VW has it standard on all their models, I believe. It doesn't cost the company much, but it makes a huge difference to me! It's the putting together of all the little things that makes it all come together for me.

I also would really like the sunvisor extensions. I thought I saw them in a picture a while back. If they don't bring those to the US, that would be upsetting!

kage

03-08-2004, 12:00 PM

I don't think the Legacy really needs the extensions, because the area above the rear view mirror is blacked out.

cotmfk

03-08-2004, 01:28 PM

The extensions are also nice for on the side glass. It's nice to be able to have the visor extend all the way to the b-pillar. Sometimes the sun pokes in right after the end of the visor. That is so annoying to me!

kage

03-09-2004, 03:41 PM

Well, it appears you're in luck:
The image below is from the 2004 NAIAS, and IS of a North American car.
http://www.subiegal.com/images/events/2004_naias/2005_subaru_GT_sedan_visor.JPG

axis008

03-09-2004, 09:08 PM

Cool with the visor extensions! Back to the power window topic.. Would it be possible to put in the mechanism an auto up/down feature for all the windows? Or like an aftermarket thingamabobber?

MSB

03-09-2004, 09:24 PM

I'm sure there maybe safety issues for kids in the back etc, but maybe all you need to do is get hold of the parts used in the drivers door window and replace in the other windows - US would be able to use JDM drivers window parts and vice versa.

axis008

03-09-2004, 11:25 PM

Interesting concept... Hopefully it works, assuming I get the car!

cotmfk

03-10-2004, 08:33 AM

Well, it appears you're in luck:
The image below is from the 2004 NAIAS, and IS of a North American car.
http://www.subiegal.com/images/events/2004_naias/2005_subaru_GT_sedan_visor.JPG

Ha ha! YES! :D

cotmfk

03-10-2004, 08:34 AM

ha-evolution

03-12-2004, 02:48 PM

And hopefully it will really be that easy to implement.

axis008

03-12-2004, 04:38 PM

Yes hopefully it will be easy.

ha-evolution

03-12-2004, 05:11 PM

I kind of doubt it though.

axis008

03-13-2004, 01:01 AM

Let's be optimistic now!!

ha-evolution

03-13-2004, 09:51 AM

Ok, it shouldn't be a problem.

panos

03-15-2004, 09:31 AM

....

panos

03-15-2004, 09:34 AM

kage

03-15-2004, 04:04 PM

Those features are standard on the USDM 2.5i Limited and on the GT and GT Limited.

DrGT

03-15-2004, 04:22 PM

The color selector for the Legacy (not the Outback) is now functionnal on www.need-desire.com

Still no pricing :evil:

Nothonotus

03-15-2004, 07:31 PM

The outback color selector is also up now.

gtguy

03-15-2004, 10:12 PM

• All-Weather Package with 4-stage heated front seats
• Cruise control
• Dual-zone automatic climate control system

These option are not standard.

I have a JDM 2004 B4 (USDM 2005 model).

I did not bother opting for them either. The heated seats are useless where I live. Cruise control, I had it on my last car, I only used once or twice as a novilty. I don't know if there is Dual-zone air con, there is a basic air con system as well as the automatic climate control (which I did get). The standard system is a basic air con system with three round knobs.

Options will vary based on where you are. In New Zealand, for instance, the side curtain air bags are listed as an option. Subaru's marketing folks decide upon standard trim levels based on what they think people will go for in a given market. In the USDM, the only things not on the GT that are on the Limited, as far as we know, are the sunroof, leather, and the 8-way power seats for driver and passenger.

All of that stuff they can keep, as far as I'm concerned.

Kevin

SUBE555

03-16-2004, 12:34 AM

The outback color selector is also up now.

MUCH better options than for the 03 MY. Even 04 was an improvement with mono color schemes. Will be rather interesting to see the whole new color pallete in person. :) I've seen a few, I think Willow Green/Moss Green combo and Gold, Silver, or White/Granite Oval at the Chicago show, can't remember corrently.

So any guestimates on how long it will take for pricing to pop up? 1 week, 2 weeks, this week some time. :) It took them part of a day between Legacy and OB color selection to come up. Pricing tomorrow? I know some mfgs use tuesday as a big business day.

Sub-attraction

03-16-2004, 06:00 PM

Has anyone heard of any optional wheels being made available? I think the 10 spoke wheels seen on the B4 are awesome.

MSB

03-16-2004, 06:25 PM

Has anyone heard of any optional wheels being made available? I think the 10 spoke wheels seen on the B4 are awesome.

http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/parts/blbp_legacy/cat1.html

have a look here at the STi site, i reckon it'll give you an idea, also Kevin at Subaru of Dallas has some more alloys on the hotsubaru.com

ha-evolution

03-16-2004, 08:52 PM

very nice wheels.

SUBE555

03-18-2004, 12:36 AM

SIGNIFICANT UPDATES ON PAGE 1

Tide

03-18-2004, 12:43 AM

damn, nice job moderator :D

axis008

03-18-2004, 12:51 AM

Hahaha!

Good to know about the acceleration! Also, they say that the steering ratio is 15.0:1. Is that pretty quick steering?

SUBE555

03-18-2004, 12:54 AM

Same steering ratio as the USDM STi. Spec C is 13.0:1

Regular models have a 16.5:1 steering ratio IIRC, so it's a big improvement. :)

axis008

03-18-2004, 01:03 AM

Cool!

Sub-attraction

03-18-2004, 08:07 AM

"Engine Specs: 2.5-liter DOHC intercooled, turbocharged 16-valve 4-cylinder Subaru Boxer engine with AVCS (EJ255 or EJ257?) "

What does EJ255 or EJ257 mean?

SUBE555

03-18-2004, 10:03 AM

Engine block designation. EJ stands for 4-cyl models (EZ is for the newer 6-cyls), the second two members (numbers) note it's capacity- EJ20= 2.0L and the 5 or 7 is a turbocharged model with 7 being the strongest factory block available.

USDM WRX STi's run the EJ257 block while FXT's and Baja Turbos run the EJ255. I've heard it mentioned the Legacy 2.5GT with the 257, but it's yet to be confirmed.

Sorta like the EJ205 in the WRX and international-spec STi's get the EJ207.

Does that help?

Sub-attraction

03-18-2004, 11:49 AM

ha-evolution

03-18-2004, 11:59 AM

Yes, that clears it all up..thanks! I'm all for strength and durability so lets hope for the "7"

We should find out soon.

cotmfk

03-18-2004, 03:03 PM

That will actually make a big difference on whether I buy the car. If it comes with the 5... I'll have to think hard about it!

I may not justify the requirement for the first couple of years, but after the car is paid off, and I have picked up another daily driver, the door will be wide open for more extreme mods.

I would definitely like my Legacy to have 350 HP or more, and I would feel much better about running around with it if it had a strengthened block. I would stop around 350 if that is the limit of reliability, and keep going if there is more room to do so. Why do I need all that power? I don't... if I drove cars with as much power as I needed only, I would be driving a Geo Metro, as we would all....

kage

03-18-2004, 11:14 PM

Easy solution - by that time you should easily be able to find wrecked EJ257s from STis and/or Legacy GTs (if the GT comes with the EJ257).

SUBE555

03-19-2004, 12:21 AM

cotmfk

03-19-2004, 07:32 AM

I guess only time will tell if the 255 is strong enough, that is if the Leg GT comes with that block...

Sub-attraction

03-19-2004, 06:20 PM

Hey Sube555 or Tide...what is meant by "Reinforced 5-speed manual transmission"? I asked Subaru that question and I just got back the generic comment about the full specs are not yet available. Also, do you think the short throw will be standard or an added option on the GT :?:

axis008

03-19-2004, 08:21 PM

Short throw will not be standard, but you can opt for an STi short throw, which some say will work with the Legacy.

ha-evolution

03-19-2004, 08:27 PM

I guess only time will tell if the 255 is strong enough, that is if the Leg GT comes with that block...

The article in Sport Compact Car says the engine is similar to the WRX Sti but the cylinder block is unique to the 2.5 GT.

SUBE555

03-20-2004, 12:02 AM

The STi Short-Throw kit should work no problem.

The 'Reinforced 5MT' as I've been told includes the major update to the case, that being significant reduction in case flex under load. This has supposedly been the major problem causing WRX gearboxes to fail (not to mention a lot of stupid drivers for the most part- not all.) Supposedly this box has been used in the B4 RSK's and GT/GTB Wagons since 2002. It finally first made it's way over here in the Forester XT. Haven't heard too many issues with FXT gearboxes yet have we? ;) With the power that engine has stock, I've been told it would have eaten the WRX gearboxes for lunch if they threw that box in with the FXT's 2.5T.

BTW, I've heard Cobb Tuning is highly anticipating getting us parts for the new Legs ASAP. I'm going to be excited to hopefully see their shop car at the meet at the end of May. :D

axis008

03-20-2004, 01:10 AM

SUBE555

03-20-2004, 01:28 AM

The salt lake meet on memorial day weekend.

axis008

03-20-2004, 01:40 AM

Oh how fun! Remember to snap lots of pictures and video everyone who's going...

ha-evolution

03-20-2004, 08:33 AM

The salt lake meet on memorial day weekend.

Who is organizing the meet?

cotmfk

03-20-2004, 09:25 AM

ha-evolution

03-20-2004, 02:32 PM

No, the article was just a recap from the Subaru news release.

gtguy

03-20-2004, 02:41 PM

I wouldn't trust SCC as far as I could throw it, frankly.

Kevin

cotmfk

03-20-2004, 02:56 PM

lol, maybe so, Kevin, but it would mean that the reviews of the USDM Legacy are starting to come in! :)

SUBE555

03-20-2004, 10:49 PM

The salt lake meet on memorial day weekend.

Who is organizing the meet?

We're going to be partying at Treys shop! :D

ha-evolution

03-21-2004, 08:41 AM

I wouldn't trust SCC as far as I could throw it, frankly.

Kevin

Wise move. In the front of the magazine they have an article on the 2005 Scion TC and for the interior they have a picture of a Mazda. They do manage to get the engine shot correct.

kage

03-23-2004, 12:15 PM

SCC does occasionally have some good info, but generally it's not worth reading through the 9000 ads and filler pieces to get to them. It's certainly not worth my money on a subscription.

ha-evolution

03-23-2004, 12:18 PM

SCC does occasionally have some good info, but generally it's not worth reading through the 9000 ads and filler pieces to get to them. It's certainly not worth my money on a subscription.

I agree - that's why this was my last issue. If it was $10/yr I might think about renewing but not for $35/yr.

cotmfk

03-23-2004, 08:56 PM

$35 per year is ridiculous! You could subscribe to Car and Driver, Motor Trend, and maybe one more cheap magazine, or just keep the extra dough!

Dr. Zevil

03-24-2004, 08:41 AM

$35 per year is ridiculous! You could subscribe to Car and Driver, Motor Trend, and maybe one more cheap magazine, or just keep the extra dough!

That does seem like robbery! Especially for that mag.

kage

03-24-2004, 10:40 AM

That does seem like robbery! Especially for that rag.
Fixed it for ya.

Dr. Zevil

03-24-2004, 10:47 AM

That does seem like robbery! Especially for that rag.
Fixed it for ya.

My bad.. :lol:

ok, we should keep this thread on topic. Even though I was a part of it's corruption.

SUBE555

03-24-2004, 12:32 PM

I agree, lets stay On-T so I don't have to kick in the moderator status. :)

3.75L H6

03-24-2004, 08:24 PM

2.5XT Forester 0-60 time is 5.3 seconds.

SUBE555

03-24-2004, 08:28 PM

It may be C&D's numbers, I am using Subaru's numbers for comparison. :)

3.75L H6

03-24-2004, 08:36 PM

okalie dokalie.

SUBE555

03-24-2004, 08:44 PM

That way we have some sort of baseline to work from. Mixing and matching can produce a whole host of results. This sort of shows how Subaru says the Legacy GT will do in performance. Just a benchmark of sorts. :)

ha-evolution

03-26-2004, 07:35 PM

So the Legacy GT should do 0-60 in what 5.0?

SUBE555

03-26-2004, 07:40 PM

You never know. I'd think somewhere between the 5.0 to 5.3 range is doable, how many shifts to 60 for the FXT and WRX STi, 2? The Leg IIRC will have one. All parts of a second count, so perhaps. :)

I'm thinking a Cobb Stage 2 equivilant (227->285= +58hp for WRX) so with perhaps a 50hp gain to around 300/300, you should be able to do 12's as good as STi's or better given gearing that looks more favorable and less aerodynamic drag. :)

Regardless, it'll still be very quick!

3.75L H6

03-27-2004, 12:28 AM

True. What about the 5.5sec 0-60 claimed at my favorite website, then they took it down? What's up with that... I thought I saw a thread somewhere....

SUBE555

03-27-2004, 12:38 AM

It's pure speculation, but some believe they took it back because perhaps they don't want to have it seen as the racing image, perhaps their test model they had to beat on a bit too much to get those actual figures, who knows. We will probably never know.

Once C&D has figures up for the Legacy GT along with the WRX, WRX STi, and FXT, then we can use their numbers as a whole. Not fair to take some from here and some from there, not accurate either.

3.75L H6

03-27-2004, 08:15 PM

if you average enough of them it is fair and accurate, imho.

shelltox

03-27-2004, 09:14 PM

hi guys

does anyone have any idea where there will be self dimming mirrors ie in the rearview and side mirrors similar to the ones in the IS300 & the 3 Series? i have not seen or heard anything on this so far.

thanks !

3.75L H6

03-27-2004, 09:28 PM

I'm pretty sure this is standard on the Limited versions.

SUBE555

03-27-2004, 09:47 PM

There is no certainty if it will be standard. I like the feature on my sisters car (you know, have to use other people as ginnea pigs ;)) so I will get it if it doesn't come with it.

Would be nice to have it on the side mirrors as well, but I'm not so sure about getting that.

3.75L H6

03-27-2004, 10:33 PM

how accurate is this, and did they make up a few numbers?

http://www.import-heaven.net/specs_subaru_legacy_gt.shtml

"3,200lbs.; 0-60 in 6.1sec :( ; 1/4 in 14.2 @ 98mph - ???

ha-evolution

03-27-2004, 10:54 PM

Non-educated guess most likely.

gtguy

03-28-2004, 12:01 AM

The 6.1 or so should be the official Subaru number. It's 6.2 for the WRX, so with slightly more horsepower and torque and about the same weight, that 6.1 shouldn't be too far off.

Usually, btw, official numbers mean conservatively driven, with one passenger.

Kevin

SUBE555

03-28-2004, 01:13 AM

IIRC, that was the site I saw making claims of this or that before having any details like power, acceleration, price, yada, yada. Oh wait, they're still doing it. :D

Nothing is true until the fat lady sings, and I don't see any shattered glass yet! ;)

ha-evolution

03-28-2004, 07:59 AM

No big surprise. It doesn't look like the most reputable source anyway.

Dr. Zevil

03-28-2004, 08:37 AM

That site has had those specs up for about 6 months now.. they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.. pure speculation.

kage

03-28-2004, 01:25 PM

Bah! They're just pissing in the wind.

ha-evolution

03-28-2004, 02:17 PM

That and making themselves look foolish. What is the sense in posting numbers that can only be made up?

SUBE555

03-28-2004, 02:36 PM

For the uninformed or people who haven't been around the block once or twice (or twenty times like several of us), it looks good and gets people interested in their site. But to those of us who have a clue (more than those running the site), it doesn't impress us a bit.

3.75L H6

03-28-2004, 03:17 PM

Only time will tell. When do we predict road/track tests from Motor Trend, etc.? May?

ha-evolution

03-28-2004, 06:09 PM

Rumor has it the press embargo ends early April so it will probably be the June issues of car magazines which should be out in May.

gtguy

03-31-2004, 02:34 PM

What does this mean?

The 2005 Legacy wagon models feature a new, <<one stage 60/40 split rear seatback>> that provides a flat load floor without the need to lift the rear seat cushion forward.

I thought the buzz was that we weren't getting the one-touch fold-down rear seats. What's "one stage?"

Kevin

Gumby

03-31-2004, 03:23 PM

Kev, It's a little confusing but I think it means it will be the same as our WRX wagons but with a flat load floor as apposed to the WRX where it slopes up slightly towards the front seats. My V40 wagon required the rear seats to be folded forward before you dropped the seat backs. I believe this has been deemed to be unacceptable for the US market, just look at the current state of mini-vans, power doors and tailgates are now the norm and if the back row of seats doesn't fold into the floor then forget about it. It's all about convenience and not having to think or act past "one stage".

kage

03-31-2004, 04:28 PM

One stage meaning you don't need a separate action to remove the rear seat cushion. I don't really see how they're saving money by deleting the one-touch feature, but I'm just dense that way.

gtguy

03-31-2004, 04:54 PM

I don't really see how they're saving money by deleting the one-touch feature, but I'm just dense that way.

I don't think it's money...I think they're worried about getting sued when some neglectful parent lets the kids play in the wagon, and one of them trips the one-touch while another one is lying across the seat or some such.

In Chicago, we have had a recent spate of people being killed by the local commuter rail service. In every instance, the person was where they should not have been. Yet, we have stories about "How to make METRA safe."

Stay off the tracks and pay attention. Problem solved.

Kevin

ha-evolution

03-31-2004, 06:09 PM

Stay off the tracks and pay attention. Problem solved.

Kevin

But that would take common sense and obviously if someone is dumb enough to stop on or near Metra tracks they don't have any.

SUBE555

03-31-2004, 06:20 PM

Don't make me bring up my common sense statement again! (I swear I coined that comment.)

So is the info going to be available just after midnight?

kage

04-01-2004, 09:58 AM

It's just a spring loaded seat. It's not like it's the trash compactor from Star Wars or something.

As for common sense; kill 'em all, let Darwin sort 'em out.

gtguy

04-01-2004, 10:32 AM

What's the wheel offset for the Legacy? Is it the usual +55, or something different? Does anyone know?

Kevin

SUBE555

04-01-2004, 11:22 AM

Either +53 or +55.

Sub-attraction

04-14-2004, 08:52 AM

Has anyone heard yet whether the Legacy gets the EJ255 or EJ257 engine?

SUBE555

04-14-2004, 09:33 AM

I believe it's the EJ255, but I'll post when we know for sure.

HomerJay

04-15-2004, 09:45 PM

Still no NAV :cry:

ha-evolution

04-15-2004, 09:59 PM

I believe it's the EJ255, but I'll post when we know for sure.

Nobody knows :)

marioman

04-16-2004, 12:50 AM

I too am waiting for the Nav option, However as previously mentioned it will probably not be an option when the cars start hitting the dealers(Of course I could be wrong). They will become an option in the later part of the year/production, which is perfect since I am looking to get a new car at the end of the year or very early part of January of 05.

I am crossing my fingers and hope the info I read was correct about the Navigation, as I have grown accustomed to my Navigation that I have on my car, and I personaly don't mind spending the extra money for the Nav. I know many will disagree about getting the Navigation, but I hope SOA offers it as an option (that's why they call it an option) for those of us who wish to have it in our cars.

Still no NAV :cry:

ha-evolution

04-16-2004, 06:34 AM

If you didn't want to wait for Subaru you could buy the Legacy and get the Pioneer AVIC-N1 which is going for around $1,800. Not only is it a navi system but it plays DVDs and has performance gauges.

http://www.savinglots.com/pimages/AVICN1.jpg

crapy

04-16-2004, 04:35 PM

That NAV itself looks good, but not sure if it matches B4.

Tide

04-16-2004, 04:48 PM

My problem with an aftermarket nav is theives. At least if its integrated there's less a reason to try to take it.

ha-evolution

04-16-2004, 04:58 PM

That NAV itself looks good, but not sure if it matches B4.

I don't think that's much of an issue. Check this thread which has a pic of an aftermarket system installed of a similar color.

http://www.legacysti.com/viewtopic.php?t=56

Theft is on the other hand. It really is too bad when you can't have something for fear of it being stolen. Glad I don't have to worry about such things out here in the stix.

crapy

04-16-2004, 05:13 PM

thanks for the info, ha-evolution. It seems getting a PDA NAV might be better for my situation.

ha-evolution

04-16-2004, 05:32 PM

Good idea, I forgot about those. Either that or the standalone portable systems such as Garmin and other companies make.

SUBE555

04-16-2004, 07:36 PM

That's my suggestion. Besides, they if you go hiking you can take it with, and many have a lot of great features for I'd imagine a bit less. :) $2k for something that's stuck in one spot would be sort of a pain in the butt. That's why I like paper. :D

Maybe I'll get some sort of Garmin or similar soon, when I got the money.

crapy

04-16-2004, 08:12 PM

i've just checked out the Garmin ones. their prices are above 500, which is somewhere near a PDA. so, are their functions basically the same? or which is better? and why? do they have voice-command functions?

ha-evolution

04-16-2004, 10:38 PM

I don't know much about them but I do remember reading somewhere you need to spend around $500-$600 to get one that's fully functional. They usually come with mounts for the dash and probably have a larger screen then a typical PDA.

axis008

04-17-2004, 01:01 PM

My roommate has a Garmin IQue3600 or something like that. It's a navi. PDA. It's a pretty sweet thing. It tells you how fast you're going and approximate time at that speed till destination. I'm sure other ones do that too but from a PDA, I thought it was pretty neat. One thing is you have to put the PDA's antenna receiver thing within a line of sight of the sky, or else sometimes the PDA has trouble reaching the satellite signal. But once that is remedied, it finds where you are really fast. I'll see if he posted a review on it on another forum (ClubRSX.net).

VoIP

04-19-2004, 06:10 PM

Is this going to be the new spoiler for USDM too? Looks a lot like an Audi spoiler. Do I even need a spoiler on the new GT? Where can I get the STi dual level spoiler?

About the navigation system, you could always hook up GPS to a Tablet PC. You get a huge screen and be able to play MP3, DVDs and Divx (60GB hard drives on some) in the car. Their priced around $1,800 so its similar to the built in NAV systems.

Tide

04-19-2004, 07:42 PM

I saw a spoiler on the Aus version I looked at and that was not it. I would like to see the full version of that phot though. :)

The spoiler I saw had about a 4 inch gap, not very rice looking, but taller than the WRX.

kage

04-19-2004, 11:41 PM

That lip spoiler is sweet.

SUBE555

04-22-2004, 12:03 AM

I have just added Colors, Options, and Invoice prices to the info thread. Invoice prices are listed on the options as well. :)

Enjoy everyone!

Dr. Zevil

04-24-2004, 06:42 PM

OFFICIAL:

http://www.subdriven.com/artman/publish/article_168.shtml

SUBE555

05-16-2004, 02:41 PM

Weights and mileage figures both added to the header post under the specifications. :)

Layman

02-16-2005, 07:58 AM

ESTIMATED PERFORMANCE
Official SOA 0-60mph claims:
- Impreza WRX STi = 4.8sec
- 2005 Legacy 2.5GT = 5.5sec
- Impreza WRX Sedan = 5.8sec
- Forester XT = 6.1sec

Information Available Based on Best Available Sources

Thanks for compiling that info.

Just FYI, I belive the FXT is faster than the WRX.

fever

05-05-2005, 03:10 PM

Do we have any spec sheets for 2006 LGT?

axis008

05-06-2005, 02:11 AM

Not yet, give it a few weeks.

PhilT

11-26-2007, 03:20 PM

Not yet, give it a few weeks.

Are they in yet ?

KA81

11-26-2007, 03:22 PM

hahaha