Nooooo!!! Legacy bolt pattern changed?

[gtguy]

The WRX and STi bolt patterns have changed to 5X114.3, which means that all of those Subaru-specific wheels that could cross between all the other cars, don't fit any longer.

Has the Legacy also changed, does anyone know? I was planning to put my Prodrive P1s on the Leggy, and would really hate to have to give those wheels up.

Kevin

[SUBE555]

The regular WRX as well??? I thought it was only the WRX. Oh brother. I believe the same style wheel is on the 2.5i as the WRX (just different color.)

[gtguy]

What gives me hope is that Subaru is hewing to the 17x7 wheel size. What gives me pause is that Subaru will almost certainly want to use the same bolt pattern across the entire line.

On the other hand, people are using basic Subaru wheels on their Forester XTs, which will clearly have a different bolt pattern than the other Imprezas.

I'm REALLY confused.

Kevin

[SUBE555]

I just don't know and we won't be able to tell until people stat test fitting or looking in their manuals. *shrug*

Definitely few and far between on finding them. Can find a few from makers like Volk and others, but they are looking hard to come by in the same offset and 5x114.3 pattern. Nothing on the STi site thus far either.

[SC GT]

If that's true, then go to Acura-CL.com, Acura-TL.com, Acuraworld.com, V6p.net, and some of the Mazda forums to check out available rims. The TL/CL/V6 Accord all are 5 x 114.3 with around a stock +55 offset, which should be the same or similar to the WRX/STi/Legacy. Many Acura owners settle on a 47-50 offset for aftermarket rims. The new Mazdas also have the same bolt pattern and a similar offset. Different sized center, but Subies tend to be the smallest, so all should fit with hub rings.

With Suby moving to 114.3, the biggest beneficiaries are going to be the Honda and Mazda owners.

[Drift Monkey]

Any conformation of the 5x144.3 change?

[SC GT]

Jeff from Irvine Subaru says, as far as he knows, the whole '05 line is changing to 5 X 114.3.

[akm3]

Why would Subaru do this? (What do they gain from going from 5 x 110 to 5 x 114? Additional strength? More horsepower? Easier to mount altezzas? :) Make them more compatible with other cars? (Doesn't sound like it) )

I don't understand the purpose of the change.

[apexjapan]

Might be only in America - my Leggy bolt pattern is the same as always. Unless the b-rev leggies change, that is.

Cheers,

Paul Hansen

[Chapel]

5x114.3 is almost every 5 lug Japanese car though
5 Lug Nissans are 5x114.3 (350Z, Maxima and G35, along with the older Z32s and Skylines)
5 Lug Toyotas are too (Solara, Camry, Avalon, Supra)
5 Lug Acuras
5 Lug Mazdas (Mazda 6 uses a very high offset too)

So, I see this as a blessing. The old 5x100 normally was a German bolt pattern (Audis, VWs) but they used mid offsets (30-40)
Subarus were very awkward in that they had high offsets and 5x100 bolt patterns. No other manufacturer had that.
Now rims that fit on many other japanese cars will finally work on a Subaru.
Can anyone verify the offset on the 05s?

here are some ideas:
http://www.wheelchoice.com/EMOTION.htm
http://www.wheelchoice.com/emo%201.jpg
17x7 5x114.3 ET47

http://www.wheelchoice.com/REGA%2016.htm
http://www.wheelchoice.com/REGA%2014.jpg
16X7.0(+35) 16X8.0(+35) 5X114.3

http://www.wheelchoice.com/TE37.htm
http://www.wheelchoice.com/TE37%2014.jpg
16X7.0 (+33) 16X8.0 (+30) 5X114.3

http://www.wheelchoice.com/GTP%20BLUE.htm
http://www.wheelchoice.com/GTP%20BLUE%2014.jpg
16X7.0 (+32) 16X8.0 (+38) 5X114.3

http://www.wheelchoice.com/R32.htm
http://www.wheelchoice.com/R32%2012.jpg
16X8.0 (+30) 5X114.3

Lots of choices. 5x114.3 (aka 5x4.5") is an awesome bolt pattern to have when it comes to JDM rims

[SUBE555]

+48 to +55 in most cases, +53 is stock on nearly all wheels

It could be a blessing, but we'll have to wait for Prodrive and the other custom wheels specifically for Subaru's to retool to make twice as many options (being both offsets.)

Will be interesting on an official word on this.

Someone, go to your local dealership and make a comparison of the new GT and any '04 model. Measure between lug nuts. Should be around 5/8 of an inch difference.

[Chapel]

if its exactly 4.5" between every other bolt, its 114.3
I have a feeling if they changed the bolt pattern, the offset may have come down to between 40 and 50.
at least I hope so.
I hate high offsets... you cant get much dish on a high offset rim.

and if I want 4 5x114.3 BBS LMs in 18x8 (which I do) its $806/rim
yikes.

[SUBE555]

Offset is regardless of bolt pattern as I gather. Low offsets, rub on fenders, higher offsets, rub on struts, springs and other internal components. (I think that's the right direction, or am I backwards?)

[Chapel]

well, all depends on the hub
they HAVE to change out the central hub if they change out the bolt pattern.
yes, Low offsets mean its farther from the strut normally...

Offsets are totally dependant on suspension geometry, the hubs, and wheel width

I have 15x7 ET20 wheels on my E30 and I could go out an extra 5-10mm with a spacer in the front (bringing it to ET15 or ET10) and an extra 5 in the rear and not hit fender.
My stock rims are 14x6.5 ET35 and they dont come close to the struts.

Offsets dont mean a thing without wheel widths though.

[P2x]

Argh!! I have some pretty P1s on my WRX that I wanted to transfer over too.. :(

[Chapel]

... well... you COULD redrill them :D

[P2x]

y'know what, this is the straw the broke the camels back for me, so to speak. I have finally convinced myself to not go out and buy the GT (at least right now)..

Fiirst there was the initial power ratings 250/250, then news of no HIDs, no McIntosh, no dual auto-climate controls (in the GT), lack of immobilizer in the sedan, and now the completely revised bolt pattern...

I think I'm just gonna reflash my WRX ECU, do a couple of suspension mods and enjoy it for another year or so before reassessing things.. hopefully by then there will be substantial rumours of a STI Legacy or perhaps some welcome additions to the new model year legacys..

Don't get me wrong, I still think the GT is a fantastic bargain for the price, it's just now not enough of a package to tear me away from the rex.

BTW. I can't abide leather seats, otherwise I would have gone for the limited edition.

[SC GT]

I'm kind of psyched about the switch. If I am able to swing a GT, I'll be able to keep these 18" wheels that are currently on Acura TL. I think they'll look sweet on a black sedan.

[SUBE555]

P2X, go and drive one before you talk completely. And for power, the FXT is no 210/235, that's for sure. Does that mean the new GT is exactly that? It runs a bit more boost, just less than the STi.

[Sub-attraction]

Bolt pattern has NOT changed per SOA:

Thank you for visiting the Subaru Web site and for your interest in Subaru products! We appreciate you taking the time to contact us.

The bolt pattern for the 2005 Legacy and Outback models is five stud with 100 mm bolt circle. I hope this information is helpful to you, but should you have further questions, please let me know and I'll do my best to assist you further.

Best Wishes,

Natalie Cox
Subaru of America, Inc.
Customer Dealer Services

[SC GT]

Bummer. I wanted to use those 5 X 114.3 rims.

[gtguy]

Bolt pattern has NOT changed per SOA:

Thank you for visiting the Subaru Web site and for your interest in Subaru products! We appreciate you taking the time to contact us.

The bolt pattern for the 2005 Legacy and Outback models is five stud with 100 mm bolt circle. I hope this information is helpful to you, but should you have further questions, please let me know and I'll do my best to assist you further.

Best Wishes,

Natalie Cox
Subaru of America, Inc.
Customer Dealer Services

If you feel the earth shaking right now, it's because my burly ass is dancing the mambo of joy.

Kevin

[Drift Monkey]

So the official word is no change? I'm kind of indifferent anyway.

[SUBE555]

I'm feelin it way up here in Wisco Kevin. :lol:

Great news. As far as I know, that change was only in the STi model and this assures us. Sweet!

[Chapel]

dang.
I was hoping for 5x114.3.

[SC GT]

I'm sure Rota has just breathed a big sigh of relief.

[*Jedimaster*]

And so am I!

[Drift Monkey]

late. :lol:

[*Jedimaster*]

late. :lol:

:lol: DAMMIT!!!1 :lol:

[AdrenalineGT]

so you are telling me a wheel that is 5x100 with what backspacing?

I would like to fit 225/35R18 which is the same size as stock, except for the wheel size.

[Drift Monkey]

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=335263&highlight=offset

[SUBE555]

Actually Adrenaline, 225/40R-18 is about the same rolling diameter.

Thanks for the link DM, I'll update the info ASAP (maybe this weekend if it rains.)

[Ninjapimp]

So they're 5x100 with what offset? That 50+ sounds a little unlikely...

[SUBE555]

They are 5x100 offset. Around +52 give/take 1mm is likely the range it sits in. Subaru's always use a high offset.

[racerdave]

So what does that pattern and offset mean for wheel choices? Is that the same as the WRX? If so, WRX take-offs could make good snow wheels...

[gtguy]

So what does that pattern and offset mean for wheel choices? Is that the same as the WRX? If so, WRX take-offs could make good snow wheels...

Same bolt pattern as the older WRX, but don't forget that the GT's honkin' brake rotors exclude the use of 16" wheels for snows. I plan to use my stock GT wheels as snows. I would expect the GT offset to be something like +52 or so with the 17" wheel.

Kevin

[Ninjapimp]

They are 5x100 offset. Around +52 give/take 1mm is likely the range it sits in. Subaru's always use a high offset.

It's just because I went to Tire Rack and noticed they offer the OZ Superleggera's as an appropriate selection which I know to be around 40mm offset in the VW's (cause I had one). I just didn't think manufacturers made multiple offsets of the same wheel pattern, rather, they would just use spacers, no? :?:

[racerdave]

So the brakes are different in the GT than the 2.5i? For some reason, that one slipped past me...

[SUBE555]

Wheel mfgs often make multiple offsets. EXAMPLE (http://www.gruppe-s.com/Volk/volk_sub.htm)

The brakes on the 2.5i are 10.8 vented front, 10.6 solid rear; 2.5i limited gains WRX sized 11.5-inch front vented discs. The ones on the new GT are 4-wheel vented disc with 12.3-inch front rotors, while 11.3-inch pizza discs are on the rear. I believe the front rotors are almost an inch and a quarter wide as well. They're much beefier than previously. Excellent stoppers. :cool:

[racerdave]

Thanks for the brake specs. 8)

[SUBE555]

That is per the brocure. SHOULD be right on, I know the GT is for sure and am pretty sure the others are accurate to +/- .1" as I believe the brakes are technically made to metric sizing.

[gtguy]

Might I just add that the vented rears are REALLY nice. Note that not only does the Outback XT get smaller rotors, but the rears are solid, rather than vented. Yet the GT is a heavier car than the GT.

Makes you wonder what someone was thinking when they specced the cars, particularly given that both take a 17" wheel, so it would have been easy to put the same brake on both cars.

I'm betting that the GT brakes to XT swap will be a popular mod.

Kevin

[SUBE555]

If the WRX had them with 17's, it would be a good bit nicer of a handling car (well, throw good tires on those wheels too. :lol: )

I think that brake size will start to become more popular soon in more of the turbo models. Less chance of warping, better stopping distances and more just make it a very viable solution for anything with more power and designed for touring and the back roads.

We will probably see the H6 and the 2.5XT models (both FXT and OB XT) gain that setup within the next 3 model years.

[turboliberty]

'05 Legacy = 5 x 100 48mm offset
'05 WRX = 5 x 100 52mm offset
'05 STi = 5 x 114.3 52mm offset

[7stars]

thanks turboliberty! now all we need is the distance from the fender to the shock. in my search for wheels for my solara, i found that most were 4x100 or 5x100. 5x114.3 were hard to come by, because only toyotas and nissans had them. honda had just recently switched over. keep in mind when buying tires that the full width on a rim will be .5-1" wider, so a 225 tire can be 235mm wide on a 7" rim and 245mm wide on a 7.5 or 8".

[turboliberty]

Just an added FYI. The '05 Legacy 16 and 17 inchers are 48mm, the GT 17 inch wheel has a 55mm offset. The 17s are 7" wide, the 16s are 6.5".

[SUBE555]

Turboliberty, that's a conflicting statement, the only 17" wheel offered for the Legacy is on the GT. Therefore, is it +48 or +55?

[turboliberty]

SUBE, I hope I clarified in the other wheel thread. :wink:

The quick answer is the GT has a 55mm offset.

[SUBE555]

Yup. Could have just said:

2.5GT 17" = +55
OB XT/3.0R 17" wheels = +48

Much simpler and easier to understand IMO.

[turboliberty]

That works, too. I just don't always assume everyone knows what an OB is. LOL

[SUBE555]

If they know what a Legacy is, they sure as heck know what an Outback is! :lol: Probably because of how Subaru marketed them. :roll:

[turboliberty]

I still know people who never heard of the Outback Sport. :oops: