2007/2008 Legacy GT AccessPORT Updates...

[Christian.]

Since some of the other threads have been taken over I thought I would start a thread that would allow us to openly communicate with you about these calibrations, the AP release dates, power numbers, etc. This information is difficult to get published quickly and I am super busy with projects at the shop but I will do my best to keep you guys updated...that is if the conversation stays to the topic :rolleyes:

We have started a more technical thread on our forums addressing specific driveability concerns (http://www.cobbforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36822) for the 2007/2008 LGT owners, you are welcome to chime in there if you would like. I will do what I can to get you guys some baseline 2007 LGT vs. 2008 LGT, AT vs. MT, stock vs. tuned, etc. dyno graphs so that we can begin the education/information process. I am happy to address your concerns from here.

Take care,
Christian.

[diamondgraymetallic21]

So if I understand this correctly, there are some out there being tested and these were the issues that were popping up? So it just needs some fine tuning?

[axis008]

I believe he is trying to get an idea of what kind of problems stock LGTs are having so he can fix them with the AccessPort.

[rudy]

I think the best way to address the fine tuning is to release the AP now and let us start sending Cobb some logs ;)

[Christian.]

I believe he is trying to get an idea of what kind of problems stock LGTs are having so he can fix them with the AccessPort.
Correct.
I think the best way to address the fine tuning is to release the AP now and let us start sending Cobb some logs ;)
Well we already have a temporary solution (http://www.cobbforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36743) for datalogging with the new AP cable ;)

Christian.

[Malbecman]

Thanks for starting the new thread, Christian. I'm sure you know there are a lot of us waiting for the new APs. I, for one, am going to get an 08 LGT MT and plan to get a new AP when all the dust has settled.....

[ultimakf7]

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[TRooper]

I have an 07 LGT AT, during WOT conditions, the car short shifts. It will not run each gear up to redline, even when driving in the manual shift mode. Will your AP provide a way to hold the trans in gear until I shift out?

BTW, I have the AP Ver.2 and DP on my 06 WRX MT, it works fantastic. I am really anticipating the AP release for the 07+LGT.

[poopy]

I have an 07 LGT AT, during WOT conditions, the car short shifts. It will not run each gear up to redline, even when driving in the manual shift mode. Will your AP provide a way to hold the trans in gear until I shift out?

BTW, I have the AP Ver.2 and DP on my 06 WRX MT, it works fantastic. I am really anticipating the AP release for the 07+LGT.
they can't fix that issue. the tcu controls shift points. my 07 5eat is ecuteked. it shifts at 6500

[diamondgraymetallic21]

I believe he is trying to get an idea of what kind of problems stock LGTs are having so he can fix them with the AccessPort.


I get it now! Can't wait for the AP release party, I need mad HP ASAP.

[Zed 2.0]

Not going to register on the other board for comments, so I'll chip in here:

My 2008 LGT has been relatively stutter-free, but there is some of that 2nd gear jerkiness others talk about. Especially when engine braking down a hill, even touching the pedal in 2nd gear causes some jerk.

I think some 2007 owners have logged data and seen very lean conditions, so that may be something to look at.

Can't wait for you guys to come out with a tune. Major bonus points if you make creative use of the si-drive capabilities.

[Richard B.]

I have an 07 LGT AT, during WOT conditions, the car short shifts. It will not run each gear up to redline, even when driving in the manual shift mode. Will your AP provide a way to hold the trans in gear until I shift out?

BTW, I have the AP Ver.2 and DP on my 06 WRX MT, it works fantastic. I am really anticipating the AP release for the 07+LGT.


short shifts how? the last 300rpm? if so, mine does that too. shifts at 60 then around 95 even with "short" shifting. the only times i have had it really short shift (88mph) was with the ac on.

[Richard B.]

they can't fix that issue. the tcu controls shift points. my 07 5eat is ecuteked. it shifts at 6500


they can extend the redline dude.

[2005garnetGT]

the redline has nothing to do with when the 5EAT shifts...

[poopy]

they can extend the redline dude.:spin:

[hamhock]

ETA yet? Or is it still under review?




Mika

[Richard B.]

the redline has nothing to do with when the 5EAT shifts...

car will shift at supposed redline. aklgt shifts at 7ktpm on her 5eat. it CAN be changed.

[2005garnetGT]

yeah, and mine smacks into the revlimiter even when it was raised to 7200..

seriously, it isn't changed because noone can reprogram the TCU yet.

[mikeyan]

i thought hope manually shifted it...

my redline is 7200. with the IPT VB and sport "d" mode, it shifts very, very firm and quickly but at 6500. I don't shift as firm on manual mode, but i've got the shifting down pretty well when I want her to shift quickly.


Mike

[poopy]

car will shift at supposed redline. aklgt shifts at 7ktpm on her 5eat. it CAN be changed.
not on the 07. 05-06 tcu will let you bounce off the rev limiter. 07 tcu wont let you. ecutek spent hours on my car trying. since your the expert on the CANbus, maybe you should produce your own reflash

[2005garnetGT]

hell, good luck even finding a tcu to play with...

its not a part that fails often.

most dealerships don't even stock replacement ones.

[psi365]

ETA yet? Or is it still under review?




Mika

What this person said.

[RIVERWHITE]

:munch: getting a fat right leg waiting for the accesport or ecutek (should be available in 2-3 weeks for 08 legacy) to make the gas go fast

updates?

[Christian.]

Thank you all, this information is very helpful. We will do everything we can to address this initial set of reported issues with the stock vehicles. I would like to get up some dyno tests from various stock 2007-2008 LGTs so you guys can get an idea of what the power curves look like in stock form. Please take into account the different gear/final drive ratios of the various vehicle, this fact makes a direct comparison of a 5MT, 5EAT, 6MT (and older LGTs) difficult to do.

We have accomplished a major step recently; we have updated the firmware on the AP so that the communication with the newer CAN vehicles is possible. I have captured some screen shots for you to view, see below. We have made several improvements to the device including a quicker boot-up, more detailed MIL description, faster menu operation, better graphics, etc. This new AP firmware, v1.1.1.1, is being programmed on the APs we are shipping as I type this and it should be released to the public later this week. I would greatly appreciate it if some of the current AP users could give their feedback with how this new firmware performs for them since the 2007-2008 LGT APs will use this firmware. We would like to make sure we address all concerns with the new firmware and new GUI (Graphical User Interface) before we establish a release date for the 2007-2008 LGT APs. As of right now, we would still like to complete additional Beta testing with local vehicles before we Beta test with LGT owners from out of state. Both of these Beta testing periods will be several weeks long, as soon as we feel comfortable with an ETA I will be sure to post this information here (http://www.cobbforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36822). I will be sure to post an update asking for volunteers when the time is appropriate (please do not volunteer right now, the e-mails will just be deleted).

Please keep the feedback coming.

http://www.cobbforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=782&d=1187802216
http://www.cobbforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=783&d=1187802227
http://www.cobbforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=784&d=1187802234


Thanks,
Christian.

[hogmeat]

post the pictures so we don't have to join your forum!!

[rmcferon]

As of right now, we would still like to complete additional Beta testing with local vehicles before we Beta test with LGT owners from out of state.

Thanks,
Christian.

I have a Stock 08 LGT Sedan out of state, how about beta testing with me.:)

[han]

posted the pictures from christian's last post so you dont have to join cobbforums...

[Infamous1]

The new update for the APv2 is now available :cool:

[diamondgraymetallic21]

It's nice to see it finally progressing along! Very excite.

[Touge Tuning]

Looks good, cant wait for its release so I can get rid of the junk stock tune on my 07

[Ryokosman]

I wasn't planning on modding mine but this hesitation/studder issue is the pits... I remember how much better my old STi was even with the OTS Stage 2 maps.

[hamhock]

Ryokosman? Wow, I didn't figure you going for a Spec B after you got out of your STi. Glad to see you found the LGT boards, and in a Spec B.

BTW, I took your advice and stayed away from the Z06.



Mika

[Richard B.]

not on the 07. 05-06 tcu will let you bounce off the rev limiter. 07 tcu wont let you. ecutek spent hours on my car trying. since your the expert on the CANbus, maybe you should produce your own reflash


well i fail to see that i am required to since everyone on this forum is a electronics expert, can fix ANY legacy car issue, knows EVERY damn secret to the 07/08, there are several "tuners" offering electronic software flashes...etc...

you sound like a quitter to me and nothing will be done with somethign liek that. aklgt has what an 05 or 06? i know she doesn't have an 07 but she said her car automatically shifts at 7k. does the 07 use a different box than the previous or are they just somehow masters of automotive engenieering?

[rudy]

does the 07 use a different box than the previous

If by box you mean ECU, yes, I believe so. The SI-Drive capable ECU is supposed to be more advanced than previous years, though clearly Subaru didn't do the greatest job of actually programming it.

[Ryokosman]

Ryokosman? Wow, I didn't figure you going for a Spec B after you got out of your STi. Glad to see you found the LGT boards, and in a Spec B.

BTW, I took your advice and stayed away from the Z06.



Mika

Mika

Hey you did good staying away from the GM. I'm sending you a pm!

Ryo

[Infamous1]

If by box you mean ECU, yes, I believe so. The SI-Drive capable ECU is supposed to be more advanced than previous years, though clearly Subaru didn't do the greatest job of actually programming it.
He's refering to the TCU.

[2005garnetGT]

well i fail to see that i am required to since everyone on this forum is a electronics expert, can fix ANY legacy car issue, knows EVERY damn secret to the 07/08, there are several "tuners" offering electronic software flashes...etc...

you sound like a quitter to me and nothing will be done with somethign liek that. aklgt has what an 05 or 06? i know she doesn't have an 07 but she said her car automatically shifts at 7k. does the 07 use a different box than the previous or are they just somehow masters of automotive engenieering?


JATCO RE5R05A

go to it :rolleyes:

good luck finding anything out about it, besides its proper name.

[Richard B.]

He's refering to the TCU.

and...for all the masters of knowledge on the 05-08 legacy platform, can anyone confirm if it is the same box or different? they are already swearing it is the tcu doing the tranny. i wonder what aklgt did. hmmmm. black magic sure is secretive.

[Richard B.]

JATCO RE5R05A

go to it :rolleyes:

good luck finding anything out about it, besides its proper name.

in reference to infiniti using the same tranny and maybe a nissan/infiniti tuner may have "cracked" it and tuned it? gasp, but this is the alll knowing subaru forum.

who would have thought that the stupid engineers at subaru didn't know what they were doing and no one can crack it? not possible i say.

[camber]

Trey from Cobb mentioned a while back that they were trying to reverse engineer the TCM on the 5EAT for Nissans. I'm not sure if Subaru and Nissan share the exact same TCM on the Jatco 5EAT's but it wouldn't surprise me.

[Richard B.]

Trey from Cobb mentioned a while back that they were trying to reverse engineer the TCM on the 5EAT for Nissans. I'm not sure if Subaru and Nissan share the exact same TCM on the Jatco 5EAT's but it wouldn't surprise me.

i believe all we are talking about is extending the redline. iirc there are several 5eat owners with extended redlines. not exactly voodoo science. it also seems, for the most part, shift points are based upon throttle inputs anyways. i see no need to realy jack with the software except to change shift harshness or quickness.

but once again, i believe all we are talking is extending the redline.

[20lgt06]

2007 2nd gear bogging in low rmp ( traffic ) minor --

everything eles was covered-

NOW when can we pre - order :lol:

[Long Island Legacy]

2007 2nd gear bogging in low rmp ( traffic ) minor --

everything eles was covered-

NOW when can we pre - order :lol:

Lol What about the Shift light only coming in in I mode. I wish it would work in all modes as a true shift light.

[Long Island Legacy]

Is there even a point to rev higher the 6500 on the cars anyway. I doubt were making power up that high. This is the reason i ditched my RSX and got a LGT.

[Richard B.]

Is there even a point to rev higher the 6500 on the cars anyway. I doubt were making power up that high. This is the reason i ditched my RSX and got a LGT.


i would like to see the math on it but...

depending on what you are doing and trying to accomplish you could make the turbo do what you want. there are a couple of people who are tuned for the upper revs while the majority here are not. to some there is a point to most, no.

also, the time of the shift may come into play maybe momentum as well...lots of physics really. why lose time in the 1/8 or 1/4 due to a shift when you can stretch it out a few more 100 rpm's?

i'm not sure what is easier personally. our cars shift around 5k rpms anyways and that is about where the turbo death happens modded or not for most (excluding those tuned for top end). no point when all that modded power is below 5k rpms and you are dragging. auto cross, yeah. drag, no.

[Richard B.]

Lol What about the Shift light only coming in in I mode. I wish it would work in all modes as a true shift light.


on my 5 eat it shift at 5500 rpms no matter what. manual or auto. second tops at 50mph exactly. in s or s# second tops at 60. i have done 110 in i mode though. not sure if that means anything but i tesnd to use i 85% of the time.

[Long Island Legacy]

on my 5 eat it shift at 5500 rpms no matter what. manual or auto. second tops at 50mph exactly. in s or s# second tops at 60. i have done 110 in i mode though. not sure if that means anything but i tesnd to use i 85% of the time.

I use I mostly on the highway when im crusin around town i need S or S# I just has no boost.lol and if u can win a race in I mode then thats just sweet too. reminds me of the m5's 400hp/507/hp modes

[FishingFiend]

I've got one of the first 07's, 1 year anniversary this weekend. The hesitation annoys me daily. It's far worse in S# mode. But very much like the other 07 owners have griped about already.

In Christian's link, someone said an ECU flash has come out for the hesitation this week. I'm going to make an appointment tomorrow. We'll see if this helps...

I've been waiting a year for the AP, please let us know when we are able to pre-order.

[one69chev]

as previously stated here, when using manual mode in S#, the tranny will upshift well short of the redline. other than that, i have no colpmalints. i did find, how ever that if i use 3/4 throttle, it doesn't shift early, and will not shift until i shift it.

[rudy]

Can't believe I'm bumping this, but had some stoplight fun with an S4 (automatic I'm guessing given that we were even) yesterday and I'm really starting to feel the pinch for more power.

[RIVERWHITE]

I've got one of the first 07's, 1 year anniversary this weekend. The hesitation annoys me daily. It's far worse in S# mode. But very much like the other 07 owners have griped about already.

In Christian's link, someone said an ECU flash has come out for the hesitation this week. I'm going to make an appointment tomorrow. We'll see if this helps...

I've been waiting a year for the AP, please let us know when we are able to pre-order.

any luck on your reflash? are you saying this is done through your subaru dealership?

anyone know if the ECUTEK for 08' lgts are released yet?:spin:

[psi365]

Are they done beta testing yet.....huh huh huh are they done yet?

[pegleg]

Are they done beta testing yet.....huh huh huh are they done yet?

:lol: this made my day!

[hamhock]

anyone know if the ECUTEK for 08' lgts are released yet?:spin:

ECUtek is available for the '07-'08's nowadays, and so is the UTEC Delta.



Mika

[NovaWolverine]

when???

[hamhock]

Clark has the ability to sell ECUtek licenses, and tunes UTECS and ECUtek's. Both of which are available out there. UTEC's may be on backorder though, but they will eventually show up at your house when you order 'em.




Mika(got my '08 tuned by Clark yesterday by Clark)

[rudy]

I think I might have to start looking around for an ECUtek solution around MA. DP and intercooler are waiting to go on, tuning is what is holding me up from getting the car where I want power wise.

[Neurodancer]

I think I might have to start looking around for an ECUtek solution around MA. DP and intercooler are waiting to go on, tuning is what is holding me up from getting the car where I want power wise.

I don't know if Cobb will support you anyway, Rudy. I was just on CobbForums and they have support listed for the RX8, Speed3 and Speed6, but I didn't see anything for a 2001 Miata... :lol: :p

[awalla5150]

I think I might have to start looking around for an ECUtek solution around MA. DP and intercooler are waiting to go on, tuning is what is holding me up from getting the car where I want power wise.


contact Ben from Ecutek. Im in Mass w/ a 07 as well and he has tuned mine a couple times now.

[NovaWolverine]

This sucks, Cobb better have it late Oct. or whatever the last projection was. If not, I'm going to do ECUtek.

[Gator GT]

I've decided that I'm going EcuTek...besides, less hardware to have stolen or lying around.

[SWP-LegacyGT]

Christian, you had best update the thread with your guys' progress.

[02BlkRex]

This sucks, Cobb better have it late Oct. or whatever the last projection was. If not, I'm going to do ECUtek.

+1. This is getting ridiculous.

[DukeTrout]

Is there even a point to rev higher the 6500 on the cars anyway. I doubt were making power up that high. This is the reason i ditched my RSX and got a LGT.

07/08 spec.Bs with the 6-speed hit 58.5 mph at the 6700 rpm fuel cut-off in 2nd. A few hundred more rpm would allow the car to reach 60 without shifting to 3rd, for what it's worth.:lol:

[sirsimon]

I (heart) my UTEC Delta.

[dasbigunit]

ECUtek works with si-drive?

[SPECB08]

I (heart) my UTEC Delta.

who did the UTEC tune? are you stock otherwise?

the cobb folks appear to be unprofessional, unresponsive, unreliable and unable to meet self imposed estimated timelines - apparently not just on lgt products but also on their evo a/p.

thanks

[sirsimon]

PDXTuning did the tune. The car has a DP, CAI, and TMIC. I replied to your PM. :)

[SPECB08]

I received your reply - thank you

[Zed 2.0]

who did the UTEC tune? are you stock otherwise?

the cobb folks appear to be unprofessional, unresponsive, unreliable and unable to meet self imposed estimated timelines - apparently not just on lgt products but also on their evo a/p.

thanks

:rolleyes:

Would you rather get your engine management ASAP or get a setup that has been thoroughly tested? Besides, last I checked, no tuner is under any obligation to constantly post updates on LGT.com. I don't think I've ever seen a rep from ECUtek or UTEC post on here.

[sirsimon]

^ Not to be argumentative, but Ben from ECUtek has posted on here before. ;)

ECUtek was working on CANbus stuff way in advance of the release of the 07 Subarus. The whole CANbus thing shouldn't have caught anyone by surprise. It is a U.S. government mandatate that all cars sold in the U.S. use it going forward.

[hamhock]

who did the UTEC tune? are you stock otherwise?

the cobb folks appear to be unprofessional, unresponsive, unreliable and unable to meet self imposed estimated timelines - apparently not just on lgt products but also on their evo a/p.

thanks

UTEC has off the shelf maps, just like the AP. All I have is a turboback and a tune, as its my daily driver. Didn't wanna go crazy with it. Clark tuned me when he was in town(DFW).



Mika

[mand3j]

:rolleyes:

Would you rather get your engine management ASAP or get a setup that has been thoroughly tested? Besides, last I checked, no tuner is under any obligation to constantly post updates on LGT.com. I don't think I've ever seen a rep from ECUtek or UTEC post on here.


Im as understanding as anyone when it comes to the challenges of launching updated products. From a marketing approach Cobb has done a lame job even supporting their own forum with updates. Being sporatic with responses and updates only begs potential customers to get frustrated and start complaining. If
Cobb wants to be left alone to work on refining their product and they don't have a clue as to a true release date, put out a definitive statement on the Cobb site to that point and then stick to it. Half in, half out makes them look unprofessional and undermines their product.

And yes, it pisses potential customers off.

[respect23]

I'm in CT, and i've been talking to Ben, and he'll be tunning my 07 LGT MT this week. I'll let you guys know how it goes and what my results are.

[dasbigunit]

how does the utec delta work with SI? can you select different maps via the console control?

[NateWA]

Im not getting my 08 till june but i sure hope its out by then

[hamhock]

how does the utec delta work with SI? can you select different maps via the console control?

Delta maintains the SI drive. No difference. Intelligent is still econo mode, sport is mix, sport sharp=boogie time.



Mika

[psi365]

Anyone hear about something called an Opentek or OpenEcu reflash? I keep hearing things about it, but not sure of its exact name or how it is done/works? I wouldn't be asking but I want more power now and starting to get to impatient to wait for the AP2.

[NSFW]

Opentek? Someone just got "OpenEcu" and "EcuTek" mixed up. :)

EcuTek has been covered up above.
The OpenEcu folks don't have a CAN solution.

[psi365]

Opentek? Someone just got "OpenEcu" and "EcuTek" mixed up. :)

EcuTek has been covered up above.
The OpenEcu folks don't have a CAN solution.

Do you know where I can get more info on both?


BTW its kind of sad that there is a ton of guys lined up for a AP2, in a thread about them and not even getting a response from Cobb (who a rep has been in here a few times) to update any new info. I mean there are discussions about other vendors set ups and the company that is the reason for this thread isn't even speaking up.

[kcmusa]

Just wait till it is out, you wont find enuff APs out there to purchase.

[DukeTrout]

^^Welcome to the Wide Wonderful World of Cobb!

[NSFW]

Do you know where I can get more info on both?

Searching the web for these terms will get you started:
ecuflash
enginuity
ecuexplorer

And you'll want a cable from www.tactrix.com

[DiscoWagon]

any updates?

[diamondgraymetallic21]

Don't think anyone is responding to this anymore.

[Richard B.]

Im not getting my 08 till june but i sure hope its out by then


what???

why even get an 08 then? might as well wait a month or 2 afterwards and get an 09.

[NateWA]

ah thats what i meant. I didnt know when theyd be out

[rmcferon]

Saw this on the COBB forum about the AP release. The EVO AP has been released and prompted questions about other release dates.

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I thought we were next!!! Is there a list of the order in which the AP will be released?

Actually, SEMA is next. Big trade shows require a big investment of our time. I do not know what the priority list is for the AP group. Like I keep telling everyone, wait for SEMA, we may have a better idea then about release dates.
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[jim1969]

Clark has the ability to sell ECUtek licenses, and tunes UTECS and ECUtek's. Both of which are available out there. UTEC's may be on backorder though, but they will eventually show up at your house when you order 'em.




Mika(got my '08 tuned by Clark yesterday by Clark)

clark does great work. Did he use Utec Delta on your car?

[Richard B.]

Saw this on the COBB forum about the AP release. The EVO AP has been released and prompted questions about other release dates.

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I thought we were next!!! Is there a list of the order in which the AP will be released?

Actually, SEMA is next. Big trade shows require a big investment of our time. I do not know what the priority list is for the AP group. Like I keep telling everyone, wait for SEMA, we may have a better idea then about release dates.
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Cobb Tuning
801-478-0920
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SEMA is October 29 - November 2

aren't there prototypes on the streets right now?? any reason why they can't comment?

[Richard B.]

something i am also trying to figure out.

IF 07's are in fact hitting 15 psi (stage 1) then what is the point of going to the typical "stage 1"? doesn't that just put your car where it is at from factory?

or are you guys just thinking...gimme gimme gimme?

imo, it would prolly be more beneficial to do a d/p then tune instead of potentially waiting for what we may have from the factory.

[2005garnetGT]

I'm guessing an 07+ stage 1 is gonna be a little more boost at redline versus stock

[2005garnetGT]

btw, cobb trail of tears continues!


now you know how I felt last year when I asked about TCU reprogramming and they said it was coming :rolleyes:

[ultimakf7]

From what I can tell from my datalogs... the 07's peak at ~14-15psi, but tapers off towards ~12 psi at redline.

[Richard B.]

I'm guessing an 07+ stage 1 is gonna be a little more boost at redline versus stock


in order to justify a price...sure. is the turbo capable??


now you know how I felt last year when I asked about TCU reprogramming and they said it was coming

i would love a tcu upgrade with an engine flash.

[Richard B.]

From what I can tell from my datalogs... the 07's peak at ~14-15psi, but tapers off towards ~12 psi at redline.

others have said 15. not sure the taper.

i will tell you though. the other day iwas hitting 90 and the car felt good still pulling through the top of 3rd to 95. didn't feel weak at all.

[NovaWolverine]

I think Cobb feels no matter what they say, we'll be pissed off so they opt simply to say nothing. All I can say is that I hope this thing comes out soon, they will be making a lot of us happy the sooner this comes out as we're willing to pay for the quality product that they usually provide.

[rudy]

They need a forcing factor. Right now, one is that the 08's are rolling in and they're all facing the same tuning issue at the 07+ Legacies. So, unless they get their act together, they miss that market all together. However, that on it's own isn't sufficient. ECUTec needs to get their tuning tools in the hands of all their outlets. Relying on group scheduling for custom dyno tunes isn't enough to force Cobb to move. Sure, some people will go ECUTec early (I'm considering it now if Cobb's date looks to be moving to 08), but the majority of the market isn't going to make the effort currently necessary to get tuned, and also accept the risk that possible necessary retunes might not be readily accessible.

[dbrunone]

EVO AP is out: http://www.cobbtuning.com/products/?id=3349

They said the 07 LGT will be released after the EVO one....so hopefully they weren't kidding

[Zed 2.0]

I have a sneaking [and entirely unsupported] suspicion that tuners are having trouble coaxing a lot more power out of the 07-08 engines. If the dyno charts floating around are actually accurate, they're already making nearly "stage I" power. Perhaps Cobb is worried about releasing a $700 device that nets a 15hp gain. Over on the Cobb forums, Christian promised some dyno charts a couple weeks ago and they never materialized.

Who knows.

[Richard B.]

I have a sneaking [and entirely unsupported] suspicion that tuners are having trouble coaxing a lot more power out of the 07-08 engines. If the dyno charts floating around are actually accurate, they're already making nearly "stage I" power. Perhaps Cobb is worried about releasing a $700 device that nets a 15hp gain. Over on the Cobb forums, Christian promised some dyno charts a couple weeks ago and they never materialized.

Who knows.

hence why i said, might as well go straight to stage 2. assuming that we are around stage 1 already. some have had their spec b's and other 07's tuned though. we should look at them and see what they did and what they got out of it. many of posters have already claimed 15 psi. iirc that is where cobb stage 1 is.


we need to find who got their 07 tuned.

[bakasama]

I have a sneaking [and entirely unsupported] suspicion that tuners are having trouble coaxing a lot more power out of the 07-08 engines. If the dyno charts floating around are actually accurate, they're already making nearly "stage I" power. Perhaps Cobb is worried about releasing a $700 device that nets a 15hp gain. Over on the Cobb forums, Christian promised some dyno charts a couple weeks ago and they never materialized.

Who knows.


That's silly. I'd pay $700 just to get rid of the studder and give the SI-Drive knob some purpose.

[bull]

my 07 pre tuned would make 13-14 psi max in 3rd. post tune 18psi, but it bleeds to 11 psi despite being tuned for a 14psi taper

[bull]

i would hold pff on the ecutek if you have a 5eat for now. there is a problem on the 1-2 shift. car goes lean on the shift and hits fuel cut. ecutek just fixed the issue on the manuels and are hoping it works on the 5eat. there are only 2 ecutek 5eat's in the world right now. mine and 1 in the u.k. so i will the the guinea pig again

[NovaWolverine]

Most people should go straight to stg. 2, b/c it's only like $400 extra for a good gain.

[SPECB08]

Most people should go straight to stg. 2, b/c it's only like $400 extra for a good gain.

do you need a tune (that does not exist for 07-08's) to extract the stg 2 gains, or can I drop in a dp and expect to see the gains? thanks

[NovaWolverine]

You just drop in your DP, and either get it tuned or, if you have an AP, load the stg. 2 map. And after that, you can get it pro-tuned which is even better, the cobb maps are fine and they get you power, but getting it pro-tuned smooths everything out.

After you get your DP and have a stg. 2 map, other mods like ICs, turbos, intakes, etc., you want to get it tuned again.

[GT_NKY]

do you need a tune (that does not exist for 07-08's) to extract the stg 2 gains, or can I drop in a dp and expect to see the gains? thanks

DP w/o a tune will still give you gains, but those will be pretty small (nowhere near true Stg2).

As mentioned in the thread there are tuning options for '07-'08. I have '08 LGT w/ gutted DP and UTEC, running WRX '06 Stg2 map (TurboXS mentioned the map will work for LGT), to stay on the safe side UTEC will be getting a pro-tune in a week.

[LGT Dave]

do you need a tune (that does not exist for 07-08's) to extract the stg 2 gains, or can I drop in a dp and expect to see the gains? thanks

A dp alone won't really give you much. You might see some small gains, but they won't be anywhere near what a tune will give you.

Edit: I see GT_NKY beat me to it...

[bull]

since specbob likes to report people to the admin. i offer no input for him

[NovaWolverine]

do you need a tune (that does not exist for 07-08's) to extract the stg 2 gains, or can I drop in a dp and expect to see the gains? thanks

With an aftermarket DP, you can have a higher flow, a tune or map will help allow the flow. This isn't something that the computer will learn, so you need a tune of some kind, just the DP won't do much.

[rmcferon]

EVO AP is out: http://www.cobbtuning.com/products/?id=3349

They said the 07 LGT will be released after the EVO one....so hopefully they weren't kidding

Answer from the COBB forum about AP release:

Actually, SEMA is next. Big trade shows require a big investment of our time. I do not know what the priority list is for the AP group. Like I keep telling everyone, wait for SEMA, we may have a better idea then about release dates.
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[dbrunone]

Answer from the COBB forum about AP release:

Actually, SEMA is next. Big trade shows require a big investment of our time. I do not know what the priority list is for the AP group. Like I keep telling everyone, wait for SEMA, we may have a better idea then about release dates.
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Cobb Tuning
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SEMA is October 29 - November 2

Are they kidding?? End of oct they'll "have a better idea"???? This is a joke....it was supposed to be out in like july.

[2005garnetGT]

i would hold pff on the ecutek if you have a 5eat for now. there is a problem on the 1-2 shift. car goes lean on the shift and hits fuel cut. ecutek just fixed the issue on the manuels and are hoping it works on the 5eat. there are only 2 ecutek 5eat's in the world right now. mine and 1 in the u.k. so i will the the guinea pig again

no, it hits the boost cut fuel resume 9.68psi limit when its shifting, my car had the same problem until merchgod added it to the defs

[bull]

ecutek did exstensive data logging on my car. it's the software. the problem occurs on the 07 sti as well as the 07-08 lgt with the ecutek software. ecutek said they solved the problem on the manuels and are hoping the fix will work on the 5eat

[NovaWolverine]

Are they kidding?? End of oct they'll "have a better idea"???? This is a joke....it was supposed to be out in like july.

More than anything, I want an accurate date, I want a definitive two week period for when it will come out.

[DiscoWagon]

More than anything, I want an accurate date, I want a definitive two week period for when it will come out.

You really want to be disappointed by the infamous "two weeks"?

[2005garnetGT]

ecutek did exstensive data logging on my car. it's the software. the problem occurs on the 07 sti as well as the 07-08 lgt with the ecutek software. ecutek said they solved the problem on the manuels and are hoping the fix will work on the 5eat

it happens on 05/06s too, just a lot more rarely

[bull]

it happens on 05/06s too, just a lot more rarely
so what exactly was the fix?

[2005garnetGT]

there is a parameter in the ECU that functions to prevent fuel resume if manifold pressure is above 9.68psi.

it chiefly affected automatics, but if you are flat foot shifting a 5mt/6mt you'll get the same results

[bull]

it only happens if i am cruising at 21-22 mph and then punch it. ecutek hasn't figured out how to over ride it. i just think 5eat guys shouls hold off for now, till the bugs are worked out. i was given the oppurtunity to be the guinea pig so i took it. it's hard to work the kinks out when the only guy with the CANbus cable lives in canada. i've met with ben 3 times already.

[Town]

I just got an 08 GT mt and am willing to wait if the pros are there, but what is the advantage of the Cobb AP over EcuTek?

Will either one void the warranty or present too much risk for the reward? Is there a minimum amt of miles the car should have prior?

[bull]

the cobb ap has more options than ecutek. i went with ecutek cuz i have a 5eat and wouldn't benefit from most of the options offered by the AP. i also got a kick-ass deal on the price of the ecutek. i will void your warranty, but you can flash back to stock with AP. ecutek locks the ecu and provides you with a registration #. so only the ecutek authorized dealer would be able to flash you back to stock.

[bull]

wait till you break the motor in

[Richard B.]

Are they kidding?? End of oct they'll "have a better idea"???? This is a joke....it was supposed to be out in like july.

i am starting to think it's about money.

maybe not enough owners to get them to see it as economically viable? according to the latest "wait till sema" thread...sounds more like a back burner project for cobb. maybe they simply just don't want to admit it.

[GT_NKY]

i am starting to think it's about money.

maybe not enough owners to get them to see it as economically viable? according to the latest "wait till sema" thread...sounds more like a back burner project for cobb. maybe they simply just don't want to admit it.

even if it's on the back burner now, it will become a priority once a new sti arrives w/ canbus in early 08

there is no need to wait for cobb though... other options are already here...

[rudy]

Can you resell an ECUTec license like you can an AP?

[2005garnetGT]

Can you resell an ECUTec license like you can an AP?
nope, not like a pre 04 wrx where you can just swap ecus either.

[2005garnetGT]

even if it's on the back burner now, it will become a priority once a new sti arrives w/ canbus in early 08

there is no need to wait for cobb though... other options are already here...

thats funny, because the 07 FXT was CAN as well, and the ugly 08 WRX is already out...

[DiscoWagon]

Does ECUtek have flat foot shifting and launch control?

[psi365]

Maybe they are just waiting for SEMA so they have another product to show off/release?

[turbo427]

and...for all the masters of knowledge on the 05-08 legacy platform, can anyone confirm if it is the same box or different? they are already swearing it is the tcu doing the tranny. i wonder what aklgt did. hmmmm. black magic sure is secretive.

AKLGT had her transmission valve body reworked plus ECU work

[2005garnetGT]

AKLGT had her transmission valve body reworked plus ECU work

right, but reflashing the TCU is a lot easier then having to send out your valvebody for an expensive service

[Richard B.]

right, but reflashing the TCU is a lot easier then having to send out your valvebody for an expensive service

i am curious on the 07 power at around 7k rpm's. i would love to extend the 6500. or at least make the car actually shift at 6500.

[ERLoft]

Maybe they are just waiting for SEMA so they have another product to show off/release?


Winnah winnah chicken dinnah!

[bull]

i am curious on the 07 power at around 7k rpm's. i would love to extend the 6500. or at least make the car actually shift at 6500.
after i was ecuteked, the 5eat now shifts at 6500

[Richard B.]

after i was ecuteked, the 5eat now shifts at 6500


what was the power before and after tune?

[specbFTW]

Man i want one already 07lgt auto..FTW

[bull]

can't tell you baseline for sure. i went to the tune allready modded. header,cai,pulley,tbe and tmic. went from 200/205 whp/wtq to 237/275 whp/wtq. it was over 100 degrees in the shop that daqy and my IAT's hit a peak of 167 degrees.

[Neurodancer]

I don't want to continue the rumor-mongering, but I called Cobb today about a separate issue and while I had them on the phone asked them about the AP.

I was told that there is more demand for the LGT AP than any other current project and now that the Evo AP is out, this is at the top of their list. I said that I heard the rumor that it won't be out until after SEMA as they are short-staffed, he said it would probably be "around SEMA." He didn't want to make any promises as we all know how people can get when a promise is made and not kept by Cobb, but we might see something within the next couple weeks.

<knock wood>

[2005garnetGT]

so its over a year late by this point? wow.

[hogmeat]

right, but reflashing the TCU is a lot easier then having to send out your valvebody for an expensive service

Was it an out-of-valvebody experience???


:spin: :spin: :spin:

[specbFTW]

MAn i cant wait for it

[psi365]

I don't want to continue the rumor-mongering, but I called Cobb today about a separate issue and while I had them on the phone asked them about the AP.

I was told that there is more demand for the LGT AP than any other current project and now that the Evo AP is out, this is at the top of their list. I said that I heard the rumor that it won't be out until after SEMA as they are short-staffed, he said it would probably be "around SEMA." He didn't want to make any promises as we all know how people can get when a promise is made and not kept by Cobb, but we might see something within the next couple weeks.

<knock wood>

"Oh boy this will be grrrreat!"

http://espn.go.com/media/pg2/2002/0717/photo/i_flounder_m.jpg

[jmfspecb]

11 months since I placed the order for the Cobb AP. They've got my $$. Erg. 4 months since I placed the order for the Cobb Sways. Still waiting. They've got my $$. It took three months for the Cobb downpipe to get to me.

Once the product comes on line, I'd be prepared to wait.

With that said, everyone says Cobb makes a good product. Just be prepared to wait.

[CapnJack]

One thing to remember is that the 2007 LGT is still a relatively new vehicle. I personally wouldn't expect them to pull an AP out of their behind that works correctly without flaw the day after the 07 models hit the show room floor.
Working as an engineer in a short staffed department, I am many times put behind on "high priority" projects just helping out with shop floor problems that come up every day.
I for one do not want a car worth $600-$700 more that stutters the same as before AP.
JMHO :redface:

[2005garnetGT]

the 07s have been out since june/july of 06...
its almost 2008 and the 2008 lgts have been out for awhile now

[NovaWolverine]

I'm waiting man, I need to get the stage 2.

[jmfspecb]

I'm all for R&D and getting good and reliable products out there and not rushing things. I don't want a screwed up ride. I'm just waiting... and getting impatient.

[ultimakf7]

I've actally went ahead and gone Stage 2 w/o a tune this past weekend... and it seems to be fine.. just w/o the impressive gains with a tune. Suprisingly, no CEL's so far. Improved engine response and improved gas mileage too. I haven't tried to imitate the stutter again.. so i'll update again later with details.

[han]

I too, have gone with a catless downpipe, but it tapers from 3" to 2.5", and catback exhaust.
My stutter is still there. Thinking it may be cuase of the 2.5" tapering of the downpipe.
And ALSO no CEL's... after clearing an O2 sensor code which I forgot to plug back in...

[SWP-LegacyGT]

i can't wait for the "I got the Cobb AP and it fucked my car up" thread for the '07 and '08's :lol:

No one can win can they?

[respect23]

I did the same thing as ultimakf1 this weekend and went stage 2 without a tune and the car is faster and better, but not significantly. I lost the stutter though.

[GT_NKY]

That's interesting my '08 is not throwing CEL due to a missing cat either.

[DiscoWagon]

That's interesting my '08 is not throwing CEL due to a missing cat either.

How many miles have you had it on?

[GT_NKY]

How many miles have you had it on?

little over 1K...

[DiscoWagon]

little over 1K...

It should be coming on soon. When I put mine on, I was amazed that the CEL didnt come on but it eventually did. Unless you are just, lucky.

[GT_NKY]

It should be coming on soon. When I put mine on, I was amazed that the CEL didnt come on but it eventually did. Unless you are just, lucky.

hmm... i was afraid it will eventually catch up with me.... what did you do to fix it? if it comes on and I reset the code - does it mean i can buy another 1k of CEL free driving? if so, i will invest into scanner & use it to reset the code every time it comes up...

i've heard about resistor fix, but do not want to cut anything.... i also heard about spark plug spacer fix, but it does not always work...

my UTEC can block CELs from displaying, but new subies are smart... even though code will not be shown, si drive and cruise will not work... thus no fun...

[Ray_STI]

mechanical fix works fine.

[bull]

8800 miles on my 07 and no cel. i am cat-less. anti-fouler works just fine

[DiscoWagon]

I used an anti-fouler and it works fine.

[JABBER]

megan racing catless DP, 6k miles no cell.

[wrx2blackGT]

Should I just gut my stock DP and see what happens? If it throws a cell it doesnt mess with the si-drive or anything does it? If I get a CEL ill just get an anit-fouler

[GT_NKY]

Should I just gut my stock DP and see what happens? If it throws a cell it doesnt mess with the si-drive or anything does it? If I get a CEL ill just get an anit-fouler

when any cel is on, ur cruise & si will not work

[Drinyth]

I didn't know that the SI stopped working when a CEL came on. Does it just leave you in whatever mode you're in? Or does it drop you down to Intelligent mode?

[GT_NKY]

I didn't know that the SI stopped working when a CEL came on. Does it just leave you in whatever mode you're in? Or does it drop you down to Intelligent mode?

i have no clue whether it drops you down to "I" mode.... my CEL came on due to a vacuum leak... a hose popped off @ 17.5 PSI... car started idling like s***, so i was afraid to floor it, and drove it straight to a dealer...

my SI indicator on the speedometer started to blink - "[S]", similar to a blinking cruise... when i tried to change to S# or I, nothing happened and my "[S]" continued to blink/flash

[burnin4]

8800 miles on my 07 and no cel. i am cat-less. anti-fouler works just fine


do you have stock mufflers? I installed my cobb dp/mp/yp and kept my stock mufflers, no cel's for several weeks. as soon as installed my cobb mufflers to complete the tbe, cel's almost everyday. P0420

I've gotten pretty good about plugging in my odb reader while driving and clearing the code :lol:

[RdiggA]

my mechanical fix worked for about a thousand miles and then when i drove up to school (about 3 hours) my check engine light came on, now whenever i go for longer drives it always comes on but will go off after a few days, i need to get the code read at a dealer but i havent had time

[respect23]

as i mentioned before, I went stage 2 last weekend and everything was perfect first 2 days. The car was running faster and all, but now its slower, and when I accellerate, it makes this hissing sound near the dp area, and its slower than it was stock. Anyone experience this?

[fweasel]

as i mentioned before, I went stage 2 last weekend and everything was perfect first 2 days. The car was running faster and all, but now its slower, and when I accellerate, it makes this hissing sound near the dp area, and its slower than it was stock. Anyone experience this?
you likely have an exhaust leak

[fweasel]

I too, have gone with a catless downpipe, but it tapers from 3" to 2.5", and catback exhaust.
My stutter is still there. Thinking it may be cuase of the 2.5" tapering of the downpipe.
negative, its in the tuning.

[respect23]

thanks fweasel, i'll have my guy look at it tomorrow. If that your 300zx in the avatar btw?

[fweasel]

thanks fweasel, i'll have my guy look at it tomorrow. If that your 300zx in the avatar btw?
Yes it is.:)

[respect23]

I love that car man, it looks real nice

[Neurodancer]

thanks fweasel, i'll have my guy look at it tomorrow. If that your 300zx in the avatar btw?

Has this thread been hijaaked? I thought it was about the 07/08 Accessport?!?

:offtopic:

[RdiggA]

well its not like cobb is posting anything so, its not really a hijack. Theres only so much us members can say about 07/08 AP's. If we want AP's, waiting is our only option. Might as well have fun in the meantime

[respect23]

sorry about gettin off the subject a little. By the way, I posted earlier that i was gonna have edutek tune my car, but i actually decided not to since its taking them too long to get back to me and they want way too much money. Might as well wait for Cobb

[jim1969]

good call. or get UTEC Delta if you can't wait and have map switching.

[rudy]

SEMA is in a couple of weeks, right? Hopefully either a release then, or soon after...

[DiscoWagon]

and waiting..........

[ultimakf7]

do you have stock mufflers? I installed my cobb dp/mp/yp and kept my stock mufflers, no cel's for several weeks. as soon as installed my cobb mufflers to complete the tbe, cel's almost everyday. P0420

I've gotten pretty good about plugging in my odb reader while driving and clearing the code :lol:

I'm running aunti-fouler-less since it wouldn't fit on my car. Perrin 1 piece catted dp and borla cbe. I've actually found out yesterday that there is hesitation in 2nd gear when i go WOT @ 2k till redline i n S#. You can actually hear/feel it hesitate 2-3 times. It's pretty smooth though.

[WiseYoda]

subscribe... and pray for news

[respect23]

any of you 07 have the UTEC???

[respect23]

wow, that came out weird. I wanted to ask, do any of you 07 LGT guys use UTEC?

[diamondgraymetallic21]

subscribe... and pray for news

I subscribed and it then turned into the talk about everything except the 07/08 AP...

[sirsimon]

wow, that came out weird. I wanted to ask, do any of you 07 LGT guys use UTEC?

^ I do. UTEC Delta 2.0. :)

[Neurodancer]

I subscribed and it then turned into the talk about everything except the 07/08 AP...

:whore:

[psi365]

I subscribed and it then turned into the talk about everything except the 07/08 AP...

That wouldn't be because Cobb isn't responding or updating their own thread would it?

[SiMaster2003]

I'm gonna give Cobb another month until I start looking in other directions. Even when they do release the new tunes for 07, I would be hesitant about purchasing until all the bugs are worked out that inevitably work their way into the works when you bring a new product to the market.

[Ryokosman]

I'm gonna give Cobb another month until I start looking in other directions. Even when they do release the new tunes for 07, I would be hesitant about purchasing until all the bugs are worked out that inevitably work their way into the works when you bring a new product to the market.

I bought a AP V1 for my STi long time ago and it had no bugs and made good power. I'm waiting patiently.

[psi365]

I'm just hoping when they release the 07 AP2, that the 08 is released at the same time.

[diamondgraymetallic21]

That wouldn't be because Cobb isn't responding or updating their own thread would it?

I do know what you're saying here, but at the sametime, don't know why that creates complete off topic talks and I doubt they'd want to come respond to a thread that's talking about every tuning option except their's, then they'd have to explain and argue why their tune is better and worth waiting for which is a pointless battle.

[DiscoWagon]

I'm just hoping when they release the 07 AP2, that the 08 is released at the same time.

You are not alone sir.

[psi365]

I do know what you're saying here, but at the sametime, don't know why that creates complete off topic talks and I doubt they'd want to come respond to a thread that's talking about every tuning option except their's, then they'd have to explain and argue why their tune is better and worth waiting for which is a pointless battle.

Again I agree with you, but the problem is right now their lack of any info. If as a company you start a thread saying you got this real great product comnig and then maybe respond only 3 tmies and basically don't give any sort of news what do you expect to happen. We are all here cause we want a AP2, but since they aren't giving us any sort of clue as to when or at this point if they are coming out with it for our cars people decided to find out whats out there for them. You'd think if you start a thread about a product you were coming out with the minute a competitors name came up you'd respond and give a shread of info to keep interest up. I thought I also heard they aren't even responding on their own forum as to when the AP2 is coming out for the 07/08's. That's on their own website. I'm a patient person to a point. One of the reasons I bought a LGT cause they were supposed to be a ton easier to mod then a MS6, but at the moment it doesn't seem to be true. So now I sit waiting to see what SEMA brings. Maybe a AP2, maybe a LSTi.

[spicytuna]

This is getting ridiculous.

When I heard that they were working on the AP for the 2007's last year, I rolled my eyes and said to myself that the Colorado Rockies would get to the world series before these guys came out with a working product. :rolleyes:

[paycer]

I am also awaiting the AP for the 08. I've use the AP (V1) on my STi and it's fantastic so I'm telling myself that SEMA will bring finally bring the AP for late model Leggys.

^Looks like spicytuna may have some kind of gift, you getting any feelings about what the Powerball Lottery numbers look like? :)

C'mon if I win the lottery I'll get you all a free AP or equivalent ECU tune!

I would you know.

[tractorcrusher]

The funny thing is when I bought my car Subaru tried to get me to buy AP2 and a Cobb 3" DP with it... I would've been upset had I financed those parts in with my car only to find out the AP2 wasn't compatibile.

[spicytuna]

C'mon if I win the lottery I'll get you all a free AP or equivalent ECU tune!

I would you know.


If I had a dime for every time I heard the words, "We're working on it" from Cobb, I could buy all of you an AP as well. :lol:

All kidding aside, I'm sure we'll hear something from them soon. Perhaps during SEMA?

[NateWA]

so when is sema?

[XLeezardx]

The funny thing is when I bought my car Subaru tried to get me to buy AP2 and a Cobb 3" DP with it... I would've been upset had I financed those parts in with my car only to find out the AP2 wasn't compatibile.

Should have bought them anyways then sue them.

[paycer]

so when is sema?

Isn't it something like November 2nd-4th?

Very soon.

[tractorcrusher]

Should have bought them anyways then sue them.

There's no such thing as a good lawsuit these days...

[rmcferon]

so when is sema?

October 30th - November 2nd.

[DiscoWagon]

Whos going to SEMA? I'll be there thursday and friday.

[diamondgraymetallic21]

Again I agree with you, but the problem is right now their lack of any info. If as a company you start a thread saying you got this real great product comnig and then maybe respond only 3 tmies and basically don't give any sort of news what do you expect to happen. We are all here cause we want a AP2, but since they aren't giving us any sort of clue as to when or at this point if they are coming out with it for our cars people decided to find out whats out there for them. You'd think if you start a thread about a product you were coming out with the minute a competitors name came up you'd respond and give a shread of info to keep interest up. I thought I also heard they aren't even responding on their own forum as to when the AP2 is coming out for the 07/08's. That's on their own website. I'm a patient person to a point. One of the reasons I bought a LGT cause they were supposed to be a ton easier to mod then a MS6, but at the moment it doesn't seem to be true. So now I sit waiting to see what SEMA brings. Maybe a AP2, maybe a LSTi.

Yea, they are completely dropping the ball. I'm in no way defending them because it's a bit ridiculous. I bought this car because of the ease for modding and didn't realize it would be years before I could mod it. So it's completely retarded it's taking this long to develop something, but not much we can do.

I was more or less annoyed that this thread was "supposed" to be for info about the AP, and then it's completely gone off topic. So I'm subscribed and have to dig through random BS I don't care about to see if there is any type of response to the actual thread itself. Oh well, life goes on! :)

[BMac1203]

Yeah.

As long as we all realize that the product will be great when it FINALLY comes out someday, that's all that matters.

I'm assuming they're hard at work.

I've been looking for Cobb to bump its "Cobb FMIC" thread for a while, it's been over a month with no replies to use guys who just want more info.

I'm not versed in the world of high-production-run fabrication of new products, but I know a thing or two about the process and the timeline of it as well. I just wish we'd at least get tossed a little sneak peak or something of interest to keep our attention and interest at the products at hand.

[Christian.]

I am doing my best to catch up. We are super busy getting ready to display at SEMA this year. I wanted to keep an invitation open to those that are going to attend. You are welcome to come and speak with me at our booth; just let me know you are a member of legacygt.com and I will update you on the various products for your car. At the show I will be better able to give ETAs on the AP and our FMIC. We all have worked very hard to get things working properly and to complete extensive testing. I will have more detailed information for you that I can release to the public on this coming Tuesday.

Take care,
Christian.

[NateWA]

Hey at least some of you guys won't have to worry about voiding your warranty anymore! haha

[rudy]

Hey at least some of you guys won't have to worry about voiding your warranty anymore! haha

I might be out of warranty by the time the AP comes out! All I know is, if I can't get the parts on and tuned soon, I might start walking over to the BMW dealership and scoping out a 135. I honestly would not have purchased a Legacy if 243HP is all I would have to live with.

[camber]

I just hope the new AP has no issues with this extra time. If it's out by the end of the year or next spring I'll be happy.

If not, I'll be looking elsewhere for tuning solutions.

[BMac1203]

Be fair guys.

These things take time, sometimes too much time. But it's not Cobb's fault that people buy their car's assuming/hoping/planning on mods being compatible and then they're not.

AFAIK, Cobb's never posted an eta or "coming soon", etc for the AP. Yeah, it's been a real long time and some may say past due, but it's not their issue that we're impatient; we're consumers....it's natural.

If guys wanna go look at other cars because they can't get their mods on, it's not Cobb's fault that members here purchase 07's-08's, knowing that the car isn't yet supported.

I don't mean any harm, I'm impatient for some Cobb products as well. I just know that it's my own choice to wait for them to come out. Same with AP's, if you want to wait around for them, then don't complain, because you've already decided to wait. If they posted an exact release date and then didn't meet it, then lay on the complaints.

Just my .02

[DukeTrout]

I am doing my best to catch up. We are super busy getting ready to display at SEMA this year. I wanted to keep an invitation open to those that are going to attend. You are welcome to come and speak with me at our booth; just let me know you are a member of legacygt.com and I will update you on the various products for your car. At the show I will be better able to give ETAs on the AP and our FMIC. We all have worked very hard to get things working properly and to complete extensive testing. I will have more detailed information for you that I can release to the public on this coming Tuesday.

Take care,
Christian.

Thanks for the update, Christian. Can't wait to see what you guys do for SEMA.

[BMac1203]

Thanks for the update, Christian. Can't wait to see what you guys do for SEMA.

:whore:

[DiscoWagon]

Finally an update!

[kcmusa]

Christian, should I pre-order now?

:)

[rudy]

But it's not Cobb's fault that people buy their car's assuming/hoping/planning on mods being compatible and then they're not.

AFAIK, Cobb's never posted an eta or "coming soon", etc for the AP. Yeah, it's been a real long time and some may say past due, but it's not their issue that we're impatient; we're consumers....it's natural.

From 09-08-2006:

Yes, we will have support for the 2007 LGT including SpecB model. Expect support for all 2007 LGT/OBXT models to become available Fall/Winter '06 once the new generation AccessPORT has been released.

We've already cracked into those ECUs and we're looking forward to getting the new AccessPORT out for them soon.

Cheers,
Trey @ COBB

http://forums.cobbtuning.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31434

Now you know ;)

[SPECB08]

my issue with cobb is not that this is taking so long on the 07/08 AP. it could take forever - or they could cancel the project for that matter it really does not matter to me.

my concern is that they took peoples money over a year ago for this product and yet feel no obligation to keep them informed, and fail to provide any status/progress reports. additionally they obviously have some revised/estimated timlines coming out at sema for this product - yet they do not see fit to provide this info to the customers who's checks they have cashed - again some over a year ago - but feel it is appropriate to withhold this knowledge so that they can provide it to strangers at sema.

call me crazy - but that is simply very poor business practice

[Zed 2.0]

Have they actually charged anybody for a 07/08 AP? You're the second person I've heard say that, but nobody has backed it up.

[NateWA]

I had that happen to me when I ordered a heavy bag from title boxing... charged my credit card $300 2 months ago, back-ordered till end of december... Im not so happy, multiply that $300 x 2= accessport, In that case Id be pissed

[SPECB08]

11 months since I placed the order for the Cobb AP. They've got my $$. Erg. 4 months since I placed the order for the Cobb Sways. Still waiting. They've got my $$. It took three months for the Cobb downpipe to get to me.

Once the product comes on line, I'd be prepared to wait.

With that said, everyone says Cobb makes a good product. Just be prepared to wait.

[Neurodancer]

my issue with cobb is not that this is taking so long on the 07/08 AP. it could take forever - or they could cancel the project for that matter it really does not matter to me.

my concern is that they took peoples money over a year ago for this product and yet feel no obligation to keep them informed, and fail to provide any status/progress reports. additionally they obviously have some revised/estimated timlines coming out at sema for this product - yet they do not see fit to provide this info to the customers who's checks they have cashed - again some over a year ago - but feel it is appropriate to withhold this knowledge so that they can provide it to strangers at sema.

call me crazy - but that is simply very poor business practice

:stupid:

Not to be too harsh, but... How is it smart to give ANY company $ for a product that has no release date and no guarantee of production? You wrote the check, don't blame Cobb for cashing it.

[BMac1203]

Agreed, and on a note above, now that I see the quote on projected release date, I do remember that posting.

I guess I just don't hold my hopes based on projections and guesstimates, and I sure as heck wouldn't purchase a car based on them.

If I were planning on modding my car (not hoping), I probably would either purchase a car that is mod friendly, purchase my car of choice and hope for mods, or purchase the car of choice once the mod market becomes available.

I am just not someone to hold a grudge because a projection was missed, we're talking about business here. I sympathize for those that have spent the money without receiving, but I also question why the money was spent in the first place before the product was available. If it is projected to be available at a certain date/time, then wait until that date time to purchase. Why spend the money in advance, when you're spending blindly, as the date is only a "guesstimate" and could be indefinite?

I understand the concerns and unsettled feelings towards the issue, but I just personally feel that a spark of hope was created for this AP, people jumped on that spark, and now that the clock continues to tick those are getting anxious. Other than to those Cobb has their money, Cobb doesn't owe anyone an AP, date, time, etc. etc. etc.

Again, as a disclaimer, I am not trying to go against anything said, I just don't believe that this is a "fault" per-se.

[Christian.]

my issue with cobb is not that this is taking so long on the 07/08 AP. it could take forever - or they could cancel the project for that matter it really does not matter to me.

my concern is that they took peoples money over a year ago for this product and yet feel no obligation to keep them informed, and fail to provide any status/progress reports. additionally they obviously have some revised/estimated timlines coming out at sema for this product - yet they do not see fit to provide this info to the customers who's checks they have cashed - again some over a year ago - but feel it is appropriate to withhold this knowledge so that they can provide it to strangers at sema.

call me crazy - but that is simply very poor business practice
Well, that is a flat our lie. If a vendor has taken a pre-payment then that is out of our control. Although, I would ask for a full refund. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, verify any information you would like to post and do not start rumors.

Christian, should I pre-order now?:)
I see no reason to. We will be dealing with SEMA for the next few weeks. I am sure we will have a more solidified release date after that event. I will be sure to keep you guys up to date...once information is available.

I just hope the new AP has no issues with this extra time. If it's out by the end of the year or next spring I'll be happy. If not, I'll be looking elsewhere for tuning solutions.
Nothing is guaranteed. We will obviously do our best, but many things are unforeseeable. Although, we have systems, people, and other resources in place that will allow us to quickly address any concerns. Now that the release of the EVO AccessPORT is taken care of we can focus on other tasks including the LGT AP.

I might be out of warranty by the time the AP comes out! All I know is, if I can't get the parts on and tuned soon, I might start walking over to the BMW dealership and scoping out a 135. I honestly would not have purchased a Legacy if 243HP is all I would have to live with.
This may sound a bit defensive and this is not aimed towards you. I am not sure if your issue is with us or Subaru? Regardless, the year is 2007. You have a 2007 vehicle that will most likely have a tuning solution provided to you in 2007. It may be just me, but I feel that some may be bit spoiled if they get upset that a tuning solution is not immediately available. I guess I wish that expectations were a bit more realistic when it came to modifying a vehicle. How frequently are performance parts of this magnitude available for Japanese performance cars the same year the car is released?

I am happy to address any questions or concerns after SEMA. Please PM me if you are coming down for the event so I can show you the new items we have been working on.

Take care,
Christian.

[rs6er]

I had that happen to me when I ordered a heavy bag from title boxing... charged my credit card $300 2 months ago, back-ordered till end of december... Im not so happy, multiply that $300 x 2= accessport, In that case Id be pissed

Talk to your credit card company. They will credit you.

[Ryokosman]

Thanks for the updates Christian.

You and the rest of Cobb are golden as far as I'm concerned. Just please release enough product initially. I know it took my quite some time to find a AP V1 for my old STi when they were released.

[Neurodancer]

You have a 2007 vehicle that will most likely have a tuning solution provided to you in 2007. It may be just me, but I feel that some may be bit spoiled if they get upset that a tuning solution is not immediately available.

:whore:

Christian, thanks for the updates, but don't you think its the nature of Internet forums to read a lot of bitching & moaning about new or existing products? Once you release the AP, will be whining about the conservative maps! :spin::lol:

BTW, thanks for referring my email about the sways to Justin! He hooked me up with just what I needed and everything is golden. Now I just need you to release the AP so I can install my pretty new Cobb Catted DP & Perrin TMIC! :spin:[/whine]

[rudy]

I have a 2007 MY car that was purchased in Nov. 2006 and was released several months before then. But that's not the issue here, the issue is that Cobb released statements saying a release was to be expected Fall/Winter 06. Some distributors took orders for them, offering a discount to pre-purchasers. To have the release delayed for a year, after those things occurred, is where people are getting rubbed.

And let's be honest here, Cobb benefits from the obscurity. So long as the release is "imminent" people considering alternatives might hold off. Had, in Sept. 2006 Trey said instead "We're hoping for Dec. 2007" I'm sure the # of people that would have arranged for ECUTec tuning days would have pegged the scale.

Anyway, we'll see. If after the ice melts this year there aren't viable tuning options locally available then I'll sell the Legacy, no harm no foul. It will have served 2 winters which is sufficient for me.

[jmfspecb]

I did already pay for the AP 2.0. With that said and in fairness to Cobb, the vendor that has my money is not Cobb. So, I'm certainly ticked - but my frustration is not so much directed at anyone in particular (either the vendor or Cobb) other than myself for not knowing better. I'm chalking it up to the error of a noob in this field. I pre-ordered with high hopes and certain expectations, but I think my expectations were not appropriate. Next time, perhaps.

Flip side is, that I think I should be pretty high on the list for getting one of the new APs.

[KA81]

subscribed!

[diamondgraymetallic21]

Just like I said, keep the damn thing on topic! LoL We will obviously at some point get information when they have it and we got it.

[sirsimon]

Yawn.

[DiscoWagon]

subscribed!

:lol::lol:

[Dong Homez]

You can call me Dongstadamus. :lol:


http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1113329#post1113329

[camber]

Hey Christian,


It is possible to alter a scalar in the ECU to make the trip computer work properly after installing bigger injectors?

See this thread:

http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73550

Is it possible to get the AP to support this type of option?

Thanks.

[BMac1203]

Christian, thanks for all the updates and good luck with everything at SEMA.

On other notes, it is not Cobb's fault that vendors/distributors took pre-orders. If a vendor takes pre-orders based on a suggested release, that's a problem (unless they have supporting information from the Supplier, aka Cobb, which I doubt). And I'm also sure that Cobb would be happy to hear about pre-order discounts on their products from those vendors...(sarcasm)

I understand why people may be getting rubbed the wrong way, but arguing this within a Cobb forum is not the place to do it. One must realize that it is a vendor's fault that these orders were taken in advance to a release date that was NEVER firm.

And again, people postponing their tuning needs to wait for Cobb AP's is their own prerogative. Sure people may have gotten tuned by now if they thought/knew that the AP wouldn't be out until this winter, but either way, it was still their choice to wait. If you choose to wait on the product, then there's no room to complain. A release date was never confirmed, production issues happen, this is reality.

As I've said before, I'm waiting on Cobb's FMIC debut, and am patient at the moment. If I become impatient, is it Cobb's fault? Nope...I have the freedom as a consumer to go purchase elsewhere. That's the beauty of commerce.

You must realize that Cobb isn't releasing because they are waiting for the product to truly be a "COBB" product. You should be happy that they didn't prematurely release and actually give you something to be upset about. Please realize that arguing the mention of a suggested release date not being hit is moot. It's unfortunate, but these things happen...

(For anyone that knows something about the gaming industry, for example, the video game Team Fortress 2 - Sequel to Half-Life's Team Fortress Classic - was released a week or so ago; This product missed its release date by 8 years...)

[Neurodancer]

You should be happy that they didn't prematurely release and actually give you something to be upset about.

Premature release is always upsetting! Just ask my wife! :redface:



:lol::lol:;):lol::lol:

[NateWA]

:eek:

[ultimakf7]

FYI: http://blogs.cobbtuning.com/
Updates from COBB @ SEMA.

[Neurodancer]

FYI: http://blogs.cobbtuning.com/
Updates from COBB @ SEMA.

That's a great link, thanks!

So they have an 08 Rex at SEMA - That means they have to have the AP ready as the new WRX has Si-Drive, right?!? :spin:


**Edit: It does have an Accessport! Linky (http://forums.cobbtuning.com/forums/showthread.php?p=497110&posted=1#post497110)

[psi365]

Must not make another bad reply............must not make another bad reply.....................must learn to shut my mouth.............

:munch:

[DiscoWagon]

That's a great link, thanks!

So they have an 08 Rex at SEMA - That means they have to have the AP ready as the new WRX has Si-Drive, right?!? :spin:

The new STI will.

[Richard B.]

That's a great link, thanks!

So they have an 08 Rex at SEMA - That means they have to have the AP ready as the new WRX has Si-Drive, right?!? :spin:


**Edit: It does have an Accessport! Linky (http://forums.cobbtuning.com/forums/showthread.php?p=497110&posted=1#post497110)

i will believe it when i see it. not to be a buzz kill but come on. they have been doing the carrot on stick for a long a55 time. does it strike anyone as odd tha the 335 and the mazdaspeed 3 has barely been out but has gotten the attention that it has? yet the 07 has been out for over a year and we havent heard anything. not even preliminaries?


there is reson why i am not loyal to any brand. cobb is an example. cobb is starting to sound more corporate than enthusiest. nice to know there are other tuners.

[dbrunone]

We all have worked very hard to get things working properly and to complete extensive testing. I will have more detailed information for you that I can release to the public on this coming Tuesday.



Tuesday's almost over....

[BMac1203]

You guys are still being pretty unfair.

Why not give a new automobile attention? Wouldn't that be the best time to get your parts out?

The '07 LGT is nothing new, they've gotten their parts in for the 05-06, and covered their bases.

Also, if the '08 rex doesn't have SI drive, then that would make sense as to why it was easy to come out with an AP (IIRC, SI Drive was the largest issue with the 07-08 release).

Relax guys. Cobb isn't a massive company, and is working on all sorts of things all at the same time. If there's a larger market/tuner base for the 3's and 355's, for example, then financially it would make more sense to focus on those products.

Just my thoughts. They're trying to show us that they are trying.

[02BlkRex]

You guys are still being pretty unfair.

Why not give a new automobile attention? Wouldn't that be the best time to get your parts out?

The '07 LGT is nothing new, they've gotten their parts in for the 05-06, and covered their bases.

Also, if the '08 rex doesn't have SI drive, then that would make sense as to why it was easy to come out with an AP (IIRC, SI Drive was the largest issue with the 07-08 release).

Relax guys. Cobb isn't a massive company, and is working on all sorts of things all at the same time. If there's a larger market/tuner base for the 3's and 355's, for example, then financially it would make more sense to focus on those products.

Just my thoughts. They're trying to show us that they are trying.

I believe the "largest issue" is the CANbus system and interface cable...

SI Drive only affects the throttle position; it doesn't mess with any "real" settings so I don't think SI Drive is that big a factor in all this. It would be nice to be able to use that knob to change maps but at this point I'd be happy with anything and the promise of addon features later.

I'm not bashing Cobb because I believe in their company and what they do but they need to get a new PR rep 'cuz they have released timelines and promises in the past that they haven't owned up to. As someone else said, they are a company and don't owe us anything, but it would be nice if we could get a straight, "We have no idea when it will be released" instead of empty promises and deadlines that come and go.

[psi365]

Regardless, the year is 2007. You have a 2007 vehicle that will most likely have a tuning solution provided to you in 2007. It may be just me, but I feel that some may be bit spoiled if they get upset that a tuning solution is not immediately available. I guess I wish that expectations were a bit more realistic when it came to modifying a vehicle. How frequently are performance parts of this magnitude available for Japanese performance cars the same year the car is released?
.

I told myself that I was going to sit this one out after my last response, but sorry I can't. In this quote its calling us cry babies cause we question why after a year and a half we are still waiting for a AP2 while cars that haven't been out for even half a year do. The 07 MS3 that came out mid this year, 08 Wrx which came out maybe 2 months ago, and of course there is the 335 which hasn't been out for half a year yet. CAN bus can't be the problem anymore if they have a AP2 out for a BMW since like all german manufacturers had CAN bus since the late 90's. You can't hide behind what other Japanese performance car has products the same year since they were able to make a AP2 for a car that came out 2 months ago, and one about 6 months ago. Mazda generally only makes a speed version for one year and one year only (except the MS6). Maybe the new Wrx wasn't that far of a stretch to mod for a AP2. There is money to be made in the 335 market especially when the 135 hits the streets. It just seems like the 07/08 LGT's aren't even on the back burner, but still on the counter.

To Bmac1203

How are we exactly being unfair here? 07's have been out for about a year and half. I'd say a lot of people have been more then patient about this whole situation especially when cars that came out well after it have AP2's out for them including a CAN bus car. This just shows how some of these people have an almost one sided loyalty towards COBB if anything. Also since you said and I quote 'The 07 LGT is nothing new, they've gotten their parts in for the 05-06, and covered their bases." So if it isn't that major of a difference why such a delay? If it wasn't as major of a change as you say, then wouldn't it be easy to knock out a AP2 and shut us up? It may not be a "new" model, but some of the guys that bought 05's are trading them in and some on new LGT's. Wouldn't you want to continue that loyalty they have towards your product? I've also noticed you seem to take the if you don't like it, go some where else additude of the seller/buyer relationship. Ask Ford, GM, and Chrysler how well that additude works in business.

[spicytuna]

Wow! The Cobb bashing is pretty strong in this thread. :spin:

I think we have to step back and realize that Cobb is in no way affiliated with Subaru and is in no way obligated to come out with an AP for 2007+ LGT's. Furthermore, I think it's unreasonable for us consumers to demand weekly updates or for us to question their release schedules.

After all, it's not like we're waiting for a patch or a fix for a defective product which was sold to us. We are simply consumers who are waiting for an aftermarket solution. The only luxury we have is the ability to "vote" with our dollars by purchasing a solution provided by another vendor.

Now, with that being said, having a vendor call us impatient or spoiled isn't going to help things either. Perhaps they should do a better job at level setting their customers. :)

[ultimakf7]

Then again, even though Cobb has shown AP work on these new cars, (i.e. the MS3, and the 08 WRX) has nothing to do with the release schedule of the AP. We do know that they've been working with the new LGT's for quite awhile, and it's shown the most progress out of the remaining cars out there. Hell, Cobb even AP'ed the new LGT back at the WBM... SEMA is important for any reputable car/parts manufacturer to get more info on the rest of the industry, as well as show off on what they can do to other cars. If they just stuck with the new LGT's, and not worried about other cars, they wouldn't get anywhere, would they? Going to / Doing work for SEMA is a smart choice from a company's standpoint.

It would make sense for the AP to be released in the near future... Most of the tried and true demand for the AP right now is from LGT's, (and WRX's) for that matter. But as someone mentioned, there's a bunch of people who've switched from 05's and 06's to the new models. It wouldn't make sense for Cobb to abandon the market.



We just have to be patient on this.. How many LGT's are there compared to evo's, wrx's, or sti's out there? In addition you see the difference even more when you see how many LGT's are being modded compared to the other known tuning cars.... It's actually not that long of a time since our cars have been out... If the new LGT's have had the same configuration, this might be a different story, but it's not.

The EVO's have been out for quite some while, but they haven't gotten an AP until now, though the recent ones have been using the canbus setup... but again, the EVOs have a much stronger tuning presence than the LGT, and have been so for quite some while.

Then again you may ask why wouldn't Cobb go after APing the MS3/MS6 right now? I say that they've only been out for a short time, and it wouldn't hurt for them to wat either, as that car is almost as exclusive as you can get with a tuner's car (esp. the MS6.). It's pretty common for performance products to trickle in to exclusive cars years after the cars has been released to the market, though there have been many cases where exclusive cars have gotten all of the immediate attention, and practically have performance mods the month after the car has been released.

Also, it only makes sense for Cobb to release one of these AP's for each car model at a time.... It takes time to support these products, nonetheless tweak their product after it has hit the market.

Anyways, enough of my mega-rant... just give Cobb a chance & time....

[rudy]

I think we have to step back and realize that Cobb is in no way affiliated with Subaru and is in no way obligated to come out with an AP for 2007+ LGT's. Furthermore, I think it's unreasonable for us consumers to demand weekly updates or for us to question their release schedules.

Agreed - but a 2 second search can reveal 4 statements from Cobb over the last year and a half where it was strongly implied it would be released several times, the finish line being moved just a bit each time.

If they want to stay silent, or simply say no comment, that's fine. But, statements like that, at least in the software industry, are known as defensive tactics in the marketplace to try and get customers not to bite on a competitors solution that's beat them to market. Microsoft mastered this practice in the late 90's. Nothing wrong with it, and it's 100% the customers decision not to purchase the competitive product, but the company employing the tactic is benefiting - Period. So, while it's fine