2007/2008 Legacy GT AccessPORT Updates...

[RaGe]

First off, Welcome to the forums.!
sendon, congrtas of nthe pruchsae of your 08's1

To dry dna anser yrour questino, I think tyou marty the AP tot he car with one AP. SO you cant shear 1 SP with 2 LGT"SS. Hoe I helped a little
:lol:

[turntable]

is it something you really need one per car for?

yes. that is all.

[DiscoWagon]

whats the big difference between Cobb maps and other tuners maps?

Cobb maps are general off the shelf maps. They are made conservatively tuned and do no offer you the same benefits of a custom tune. I personally will use the Cobb map for a bit and will get protuned after I get my 20G.

[WaywardWit]

Yea... to be honest - I figured as much. But I just wanted to double check - i mean - if there's a way you could save that much money for something like this - I'm sure you'd want to take advantage of it.

And thanks for the warm welcome.

cheers.

[edkwon]

Just preordered my AP from TDC, here's waiting and hoping.

[Long Island Legacy]

Will the AP for 07-08 Be different then any other AP? Or will i be able to buy a used one and put the new maps on it and save myself 200$

[Stewy612]

Ok ... this may sound stupid. But let me explain. My brother and I just bought 08 2.5 LGT's. (yea we're twins) We already have our Cobb STS's on the way. What I'm wondering is if we can save cash by just splitting one accessport? Or is it something you really need one per car for?

that was awesome lol

[SPECB08]

I see people preordering - but does anyone know what power gains can be expected?

several have said the 07+ are already stg 1 and Christian has stated that the factory 07+ ecm is tuned so aggressively that they were not sure if more power could be obtained - although he said he could smooth out the delivery.

so people are buying without knowing what they are getting - they may be getting nothing for $695. please advise if I am incorrect ( I hope I am).

[Prime Power]

Subscribed

[WaywardWit]

Ey boys - thanks for keeping the flames low on that comment - there was a reason why I prefaced it with "this may be a stupid question" but hey - there's no info on that question specifically that I could find.

I'm not ordering mine until I give my car a decent break in period - but I'm really excited - this car is awesome.

[wrx2blackGT]

ill be VERY disappointed ive stage one is not much of a power gain because our cars are already tuned so aggresively, because my 2005 was so much quicker then my 08, as is just about every other 05 I drive.

[ultimakf7]

I see people preordering - but does anyone know what power gains can be expected?

several have said the 07+ are already stg 1 and Christian has stated that the factory 07+ ecm is tuned so aggressively that they were not sure if more power could be obtained - although he said he could smooth out the delivery.

so people are buying without knowing what they are getting - they may be getting nothing for $695. please advise if I am incorrect ( I hope I am).


I think they were talking about peak power though. Overall, the tune should be safe, and should affect the tune/power band across the rpm range. And depending on which stage you're going to, the map will increase the boost by a little bit... (not sure on numbers).

For the stg. 2 purchasers, it's a sure bet that it'll help significantly... but for the people who are going for stg. 1, we may have to wait and see what Christian posts.

If anything, it'll definately help fueling and the studder, but it's up to you to decide if it's worth it in the end all.

[DiscoWagon]

I see people preordering - but does anyone know what power gains can be expected?

several have said the 07+ are already stg 1 and Christian has stated that the factory 07+ ecm is tuned so aggressively that they were not sure if more power could be obtained - although he said he could smooth out the delivery.

so people are buying without knowing what they are getting - they may be getting nothing for $695. please advise if I am incorrect ( I hope I am).

Who cares about numbers, it's all about drivability. If you are looking for a dramatic power gain, you should be looking beyond Stage 1.

[ultimakf7]

Who cares about numbers, it's all about drivability. If you are looking for a dramatic power gain, you should be looking beyond Stage 1.


That's a damned good point, and I absolutely agree.

[SPECB08]

"dramatic" is not a word I used in my post, nor did I infer it. with my ecu dealer reflash I cannot state that I still have any drivablility issues requiring correction. drivability is just fine as-is.

don't get me wrong I love my LGT and think it is a great car.

I hope that the AP yields huge power gains - my point is that people are buying and yet they have no specs indicating what they are buying.

many tuners look at hp/tq gains per $ to indicate whether the yield is in line with the cost. most folks look at uppipe, intake, exhaust gains and value the gain to $ ratio before buying and determining the value.

if you do not know the yield, how do you know if it is worth buying? that is all I am saying.

[sirsimon]

^ I don't think many people buy the AP just to go "stage 1". The majority of people want the AP due to the ease of loading new maps as they continue to mod their car to "stage 2" and beyond.

People also like the resale value of the AP.

I think it is a very safe bet that you'll enjoy the increases offered by the base (stage 1) reflash offered with the AP. As for whether it is worth $700, that is completely in the eyes of the purchaser, and their long-range plans for the car.

I went with a UTEC Delta this summer because I didn't want to wait forever to tune my 07. I have been thrilled with the results (thanks Jarrad!), but I know that the Delta will have little resale value. For me, it was worth the investment to have a car that was tuned properly for my mods. Will I purchase an AP or ECUtek reflash? Absolutely. :)

[han]

^ I don't think many people buy the AP just to go "stage 1". The majority of people want the AP due to the ease of loading new maps as they continue to mod their car to "stage 2" and beyond.



True That.

[ultimakf7]

^ I don't think many people buy the AP just to go "stage 1". The majority of people want the AP due to the ease of loading new maps as they continue to mod their car to "stage 2" and beyond.

People also like the resale value of the AP.

I think it is a very safe bet that you'll enjoy the increases offered by the base (stage 1) reflash offered with the AP. As for whether it is worth $700, that is completely in the eyes of the purchaser, and their long-range plans for the car.

I went with a UTEC Delta this summer because I didn't want to wait forever to tune my 07. I have been thrilled with the results (thanks Jarrad!), but I know that the Delta will have little resale value. For me, it was worth the investment to have a car that was tuned properly for my mods. Will I purchase an AP or ECUtek reflash? Absolutely. :)

And tuning UTEC will likely have the same power response for your car as the Cobb AP will. Both are great products, but the real limiting factor of tuning is your car itself.

If tuners with UTEC has done a great job with tuning, I'm sure the same could be said for the AP's.

[sirsimon]

^ I'd expect better results from the AP, as the UTEC can't tune AVCS and can't shut off the 07-08 ECUs torque management "feature" that starts closing the throttle at very high torque levels. This was an issue when tuning my car. :(

[ultimakf7]

^ I'd expect better results from the AP, as the UTEC can't tune AVCS and can't shut off the 07-08 ECUs torque management "feature" that starts closing the throttle at very high torque levels. This was an issue when tuning my car. :(


But at this time, we don't even have the details that say that the AP will (or can) address that.

[sirsimon]

^ True.

[DiscoWagon]

"dramatic" is not a word I used in my post, nor did I infer it. with my ecu dealer reflash I cannot state that I still have any drivablility issues requiring correction. drivability is just fine as-is.

don't get me wrong I love my LGT and think it is a great car.

I hope that the AP yields huge power gains - my point is that people are buying and yet they have no specs indicating what they are buying.

many tuners look at hp/tq gains per $ to indicate whether the yield is in line with the cost. most folks look at uppipe, intake, exhaust gains and value the gain to $ ratio before buying and determining the value.

if you do not know the yield, how do you know if it is worth buying? that is all I am saying.

People are purchasing AP2 because they want engine management. AP2 is a good alternative to say UTEC which isn't as user friendly for a vast majority of the LGT community. It is also an alternative to ECUtek because I suppose people will want to be able to return their car to stock and AP2 will have resale value compared the the dead end of ECUtek. A majority of the people who purchase it will most likely utilize it to get Protuned. I for one will not be running the OTS map for long, only until I get my 20G. If you are looking at it from a $ to HP perspective to realize the yield, you are wrong. I do know the yield, I know that the AP2 will allow me to utilize the engine mods that I have already purchased to a further extent or perhaps to maximize their potential. I also know that I now have nearly limitless engine tuning possibilities. I'm sure many potential buyers will also agree with me that they already know what AP2 will yield.

[LGT Dave]

Will the AP for 07-08 Be different then any other AP? Or will i be able to buy a used one and put the new maps on it and save myself 200$

The AP unit itself may look the same, however it will come with a different cable than the others so that the AP can interface with the new CANbus system the 07-08 Legacy ECU's use. The software in the AP may be a little different so that it can talk to the ECU's as well. If the only thing that was needed was a firmware update that could be applied to any existing AP's too, then I'm sure these things would have been released over a year ago.

[autotech]

Ill be buying the AP but for drive ability. I have the stutter really bad and i can't wait to see it go. Im on a lease, so stage 2+ is not really what im looking at doing at this point

[Bbc84]

I have a 08' with stutter, and planning on getting the new Accessport. Would it be better to get the dealer to flash the ECU to get rid of the stutter before adding maps using the Accessport? Or should the Accesport maps take care of any stutter I have?

[02BlkRex]

The AP unit itself may look the same, however it will come with a different cable than the others so that the AP can interface with the new CANbus system the 07-08 Legacy ECU's use. The software in the AP may be a little different so that it can talk to the ECU's as well. If the only thing that was needed was a firmware update that could be applied to any existing AP's too, then I'm sure these things would have been released over a year ago.

It also has some other cool stuff like a color screen, 1/4 mile times, etc.

[sirsimon]

I have a 08' with stutter, and planning on getting the new Accessport. Would it be better to get the dealer to flash the ECU to get rid of the stutter before adding maps using the Accessport? Or should the Accesport maps take care of any stutter I have?

^ The off the shelf (OTS) map(s) on the AP should eliminate your car's stutter.

[Neurodancer]

I see people preordering - but does anyone know what power gains can be expected?

several have said the 07+ are already stg 1 and Christian has stated that the factory 07+ ecm is tuned so aggressively that they were not sure if more power could be obtained - although he said he could smooth out the delivery.

so people are buying without knowing what they are getting - they may be getting nothing for $695. please advise if I am incorrect ( I hope I am).

I'm a good example of why people are buying before knowing what numbers the AP will push. I have a Perrin TMIC and Cobb DP waiting at my tuner (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1380024). Stage2 (+) is the ultimate goal for someone spending $700 on an AP.

[Lothar]

Stage2 (+) is the ultimate goal for someone spending $700 on an AP.

I disagree. It's worth $700 for me, and apparently others here, to simply get rid of my car's stutter, even if it doesn't do a thing to boost my car's performance (though I certainly hope it will give me at least a modest improvement). Any performance boosts will simply be an added bonus.

I just hate that I have to spend $700 for something that should be covered under warranty, but instead I must spend it on something that will void part of my warranty.

[Lothar]

I have a 08' with stutter, and planning on getting the new Accessport. Would it be better to get the dealer to flash the ECU to get rid of the stutter before adding maps using the Accessport? Or should the Accesport maps take care of any stutter I have?

I would get the dealer reflash first if I were you. It's covered under warranty (if you can find a dealer who is aware of the reflash), and may end up fixing your problem, such that you won't need the AP. If you're like me and many others here though, it won't fix the problem (or will only fix it temporarily). You won't know until you try, and it won't cause any harm.

Of course, if you're definitely planning to buy the AP for reasons other than the stutter, then there's not really any point in getting dealer reflash, as the AP maps will overwrite the reflash anyway (though you'd be able to reload the reflash from the AP if you ever wanted to, as I understand it).

[Aczwild]

.... I just hope they have an output so owners who have Nav can hook it up via the nav mod to have the AP screen on the Nav system..... That would be friggin awesome

[rock2534]

I have a 08' with stutter, and planning on getting the new Accessport. Would it be better to get the dealer to flash the ECU to get rid of the stutter before adding maps using the Accessport? Or should the Accesport maps take care of any stutter I have?
I would definitely have the dealer do the reflash, it can't hurt to try and is free. I had mine done last month and its been driving great ever since. I am interested to hear reviews of the stage 1 map on the 07+ models, if there is truely a boost in power I will get one once the winter is over, if not I have no problem keeping my car as is. I have 5 yrs left on the warranty so going stage 2 is not the plan right now.

[Alighieri256]

.... I just hope they have an output so owners who have Nav can hook it up via the nav mod to have the AP screen on the Nav system..... That would be friggin awesome

I also have Nav, and I agree that this would be an awesome feature, but I'm 100% sure that it's not going to happen. Sorry. The interface between the Nav and ECU is extremely limited in scope, ultimately involving little more than vehicle speed and injector pulse width so the nav can calculate your mileage. There's a video input on the back of the Nav that you could use to tap in the video output on a laptop to let you display engine parameters in realtime using datalogging software. Some guys have even made the touch screen work with their laptops, though that's probably much more involved than 99% of owners are prepared to tackle.

[Alighieri256]

Got this email from Justin @ Cobb:

The SI Drive functionality will remain and perform as it does now. In the future, we will most likely expand on its convenience and functionality. For more information on that development, I would suggest keeping an eye on our new blog pages since a lot of new product information gets posted there:

blogs.cobbtuning.com

:So far there isn't really anything on the blog about the Legacy, but here's hoping...

[Bbc84]

I would get the dealer reflash first if I were you. It's covered under warranty (if you can find a dealer who is aware of the reflash), and may end up fixing your problem, such that you won't need the AP. If you're like me and many others here though, it won't fix the problem (or will only fix it temporarily). You won't know until you try, and it won't cause any harm.

Of course, if you're definitely planning to buy the AP for reasons other than the stutter, then there's not really any point in getting dealer reflash, as the AP maps will overwrite the reflash anyway (though you'd be able to reload the reflash from the AP if you ever wanted to, as I understand it).



Im planning for stage 2+ for my 08'. so ill be getting the AP regaurdless, I was just wondering that maybe if I dont get the stutter fix, the Cobb AP just piggy backs ontop of the stock map and may make performance worst.

[kensukikatayo]

Most recent update sent today (12/10):

The AccessPORT release for CANBUS Subarus (2007+ LGT) is set for this Christmas. Please keep an eye on our website for further new product details. Feel free to let me know if you have any other questions.
Cheers,
Justin
COBB Tuning
blogs.cobbtuning.com
www.cobbtuning.com (http://www.cobbtuning.com)
www.cobbforums.com (http://www.cobbforums.com)
t.801.713.0035 ext 116
f.801.478.0925

[DiscoWagon]

What does that mean? Does that mean we will have them in our hands on Christmas?

[Long Island Legacy]

Yea If i pre-order today will i have it on Christmas.

[kensukikatayo]

I'm assuming they're releasing it to the market that day so we can start ordering on Christmas. Kind of weird, considering most people would want to get it by Christmas. Let's hope I'm assuming incorrectly.

[rudy]

I pre-ordered from TDC. $695 w/ a free TDC map seems like the best deal going at the moment. Finally, I'll be able to get the TMIC and DP on the car and be 'done' power wise.

[DiscoWagon]

I pre-ordered from TDC. $695 w/ a free TDC map seems like the best deal going at the moment. Finally, I'll be able to get the TMIC and DP on the car and be 'done' power wise.

Don't kid yourself :lol:

[SWP-LegacyGT]

so it's still not out yet? :lol:

[2005garnetGT]

its like 18 months late now :lol:

[Neurodancer]

My local tuner said that he'd let me know when they are shipping -- they are targeting shipment on the 21st, I think, but Cobb can be sketchy with the initial shipment...

I have myself queued up for install as soon as it hits to go with my TMIC, DP and STS.

[dbrunone]

I just preordered mine too, hopefully they will ship on time so I can make my Jan 2 tuning date....

[LGT Dave]

I just preordered mine too, hopefully they will ship on time so I can make my Jan 2 tuning date....

Are you sure tuners will be able to tune with these right away? TDC said that they won't be able to send out the free custom TDC maps they're offering with these until Cobb releases the new version of Protuner software (Post #21 in this thread: http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76482).

[diamondgraymetallic21]

So I guess I'm partially lost...it's released and we can buy it? Or you're able to pre-order it and it gets here on a specific date? I really want this thing!

[LGT Dave]

So I guess I'm partially lost...it's released and we can buy it? Or you're able to pre-order it and it gets here on a specific date? I really want this thing!

They are not out yet. Cobb sent out a letter telling the vendors they can start officially taking preorders. Cobb is still saying the AP's will be available by Christmas.

[dbrunone]

Are you sure tuners will be able to tune with these right away? TDC said that they won't be able to send out the free custom TDC maps they're offering with these until Cobb releases the new version of Protuner software (Post #21 in this thread: http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76482).

I talked to Scott Siegel at TopSpeed, and I asked him specifically if he needed a new copy of the ProTuner software. He said "No, all that happens is that they will send me an email upon release with the new maps. That's all I need." So hopefully he's right.

[diamondgraymetallic21]

They are not out yet. Cobb sent out a letter telling the vendors they can start officially taking preorders. Cobb is still saying the AP's will be available by Christmas.

Ok, that's what I was wondering...which vendors are taking pre-orders? I looked through 4 or 5 of them and didn't see anything new offered...thanks!

[LGT Dave]

Ok, that's what I was wondering...which vendors are taking pre-orders? I looked through 4 or 5 of them and didn't see anything new offered...thanks!

Check the Vendor Classifieds section in the marketplace (http://www.legacygt.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=31). I see TDC, mspt, PLtek and Revolutions Performance with preorder threads in there on the first and second pages.

[DiscoWagon]

Looks like TDC has the best deal going on.

[Gitster]

And the best maps ;)

[ultimakf7]

One more week!!!!! (hopefully)

[JSurretsky]

If I get the new AP from TDC, they supply their own stage 1 maps? Or am I not understanding correctly?

If they do supply their own stage 1 maps, is there a compelling reason to use TDC's or Cobb's maps?

Thanks.:)

[SWP-LegacyGT]

IBAPv2Doesntshipfor0708GTs

[Gitster]

^ die douche bag

[heightsgtltd]

:lol:

[SWP-LegacyGT]

^ die douche bag

:lol:

[heightsgtltd]

I'm hoping the woman in your avatar electrocutes you :lol:

[02BlkRex]

^^ nice Heroes reference!

Does anyone know if we can get a TDC Stage 2 map (instead of Stage 1) if we preorder from TDC?

It almost seems like the provided map will be Stage 2 if you change the downpipe section to other than OEM. Just looking for clarification before I pull the trigger...

[Gitster]

^^ nice Heroes reference!

Does anyone know if we can get a TDC Stage 2 map (instead of Stage 1) if we preorder from TDC?

It almost seems like the provided map will be Stage 2 if you change the downpipe section to other than OEM. Just looking for clarification before I pull the trigger...

You chose either stage 1 or 2. You only get one. The TDC maps are supposed to provide more power at stage 1&2 than Cobb.

[edkwon]

If I get the new AP from TDC, they supply their own stage 1 maps? Or am I not understanding correctly?

If they do supply their own stage 1 maps, is there a compelling reason to use TDC's or Cobb's maps?

Thanks.:)

pm the guy from TDC, he'll answer all your questions

[02BlkRex]

You chose either stage 1 or 2. You only get one. The TDC maps are supposed to provide more power at stage 1&2 than Cobb.

Yeah, I got that but the TDC website doesn't come right out and say "Stage 1 or 2". You have to pick your downpipe, intake, etc. So the part I am asking about is if you pick something other than OEM downpipe, that is considered a Stage 2 map?

[Gitster]

If you have an aftermarket downpipe why would you want to go Stage 1 ? You dont need any OEM upgrades to go Stage1 so anything else would be considered Stage2.

[02BlkRex]

If you have an aftermarket downpipe why would you want to go Stage 1 ? You dont need any OEM upgrades to go Stage1 so anything else would be considered Stage2.

OMFG. I do not want to go Stage 1 because I have an Autospeed turboback exhaust. I just wanted to confirm what I already thought about TDC's maps. They aren't like Cobb's that are labeled, "Stage 1, Stage 2, etc." I just want to make sure I get a Stage 2 map from TDC when I preorder the AP.

[Alighieri256]

OMFG. I do not want to go Stage 1 because I have an Autospeed turboback exhaust. I just wanted to confirm what I already thought about TDC's maps. They aren't like Cobb's that are labeled, "Stage 1, Stage 2, etc." I just want to make sure I get a Stage 2 map from TDC when I preorder the AP.

Calm down. :) Just punch your mods into the form, and the map you receive will be tuned for those mods. It's a little more comprehensive than Cobb's more broad spectrum approach.

[Zed 2.0]

^^ There are literally dozens of existing threads about this stuff. I'm not sure why it's being posted in Cobb's Accessport Updates thread.

:spin:

[02BlkRex]

^^because it's about maps that are for the AP?

You are right, I do need to calm down. Holiday stress is getting to me! :lol:

[GTWILLY]

Call me crazy here but I just went to TDC's web site and it clearly has 4 different pro tunes to choose from. Stage 1 for 1.0 or 2.0 AP and Stage 2 for 1.0 or 2.0 AP... So click the right one for you and follow the directions from there, which will entail listing all of your mods as well.

[02BlkRex]

Call me crazy here but I just went to TDC's web site and it clearly has 4 different pro tunes to choose from. Stage 1 for 1.0 or 2.0 AP and Stage 2 for 1.0 or 2.0 AP... So click the right one for you and follow the directions from there, which will entail listing all of your mods as well.

Did you go to the pre-order section? Maybe we have different Internets? Here is what I see:

[GTWILLY]

No initially I went to the engine management section to order a map from them independently. I revisited the site and see what you mean by not being labled with stages, they seemed to have made it fairly easy now with the drop downs of DP selection, intake selection, and TMIC selections. Just fill those out and you will have a map specifically designed for your car. Pay no attention to stages anymore. Now you can say your car is protuned and will kick other car's arss, lol.

[Gitster]

How many times do I have to say, get the goddamn Stage 2 map ?!?!?!? :lol:

[02BlkRex]

No initially I went to the engine management section to order a map from them independently. I revisited the site and see what you mean by not being labled with stages, they seemed to have made it fairly easy now with the drop downs of DP selection, intake selection, and TMIC selections. Just fill those out and you will have a map specifically designed for your car. Pay no attention to stages anymore. Now you can say your car is protuned and will kick other car's arss, lol.

Gotcha. I was starting to think I really did have a different Internet! :lol:

Another "stupid" question, if I have an Autospeed turboback exhaust with a high flow cat, should I go with the "3in catted" or the "3in full length" option? I'm guessing catted but the "full length" statement is throwing me off.

[SPECB08]

red alert... flame suit on

[02BlkRex]

red alert... flame suit on

thanks for that. it's nice to see that this website still helps people. why is my question so off the wall? i posted what i'm sure it probably means but i'd just like a confirmation from the gurus who've done this before before I spend $695.

i've heard "full length" stated when talking about a turboback because suprisingly enough, the exhaust runs the "full length" of the car. I'm sure that's not what TDC is talking about in this case since it's listed under the "downpipe" section but why does it hurt to ask?

[Alighieri256]

red alert... flame suit on

Easy guys...

Since your downpipe has a cat, you'll select catted. Full length refers to the stock exhaust system wherin the cat and downpipe are separate sections of pipe versus a catless downpipe which is typically one piece. The majority of aftermarket downpipes are actually full length regardless of whether or not they have a cat, so it's a bit of a misnomer.

[02BlkRex]

Easy guys...

Since your downpipe has a cat, you'll select catted. Full length refers to the stock exhaust system wherin the cat and downpipe are separate sections of pipe versus a catless downpipe which is typically one piece. The majority of aftermarket downpipes are actually full length regardless of whether or not they have a cat, so it's a bit of a misnomer.

Thanks for the confirmation, that's what I thought.

Flame suit, OFF!

[Gitster]

:lol:

[dbrunone]

So, will an AVO panel filter on the stock intake need a new map? Or will selecting "Stock" for the intake work just fine?

[Gitster]

So, will an AVO panel filter on the stock intake need a new map? Or will selecting "Stock" for the intake work just fine?

Since the only options in the pull down are OEM or ram air/CA intakes, select OEM for upgraded panel filter.

[GTWILLY]

I would think OEM too, because I think it has more to do with the air flow path it takes. Stock air box moves air over MAF differently than CAI.

[edkwon]

No initially I went to the engine management section to order a map from them independently. I revisited the site and see what you mean by not being labled with stages, they seemed to have made it fairly easy now with the drop downs of DP selection, intake selection, and TMIC selections. Just fill those out and you will have a map specifically designed for your car. Pay no attention to stages anymore. Now you can say your car is protuned and will kick other car's arss, lol.


Thats what i ordered. I specified MY, transmission, fuel type, mods for my custom map.

Once i get it i'll flash it, drive it around for a while then protune when i get the time.

[diamondgraymetallic21]

I actually have the answer for the AVO intake question. They said to select AEM CAI, then in notes once you're almost finished checking out, let them know you have an AVO intake.

[Gitster]

I actually have the answer for the AVO intake question. They said to select AEM CAI, then in notes once you're almost finished checking out, let them know you have an AVO intake.

Thats confusing, because a drop in panel filter is not an AVO Intake. Is this what you are specifically talking about ? You are still using the OEM Intake, but using a different filter. Sorry if Im sounding remedial but you make it sound like you have changed then entire intake structure, when you are still using the stock airbox with a different filter.

[badfish11]

ask all your TDC map questions here http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76482
;)

[Town]

ask all your TDC map questions here http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76482
;)

AKA get the eff outta hurr...

[jmfspecb]

Thanks for the TDC link.

[Neurodancer]

ask all your TDC map questions here http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76482
;)
:whore:,000

Mo better place for TDC questions than a Cobb thread...

[Trey@COBB]

The AccessPORTs to support the 2007-2008 Legacy GT/Outback XT (AT, MT, Spec B) will begin shipping tomorrow to dealers. We should get ALL we have current orders for shipped by Friday, as originally stated.

The AccessTUNER Pro software, supporting the new CANBUS Subarus (including even the 08 STi) will go out to select tuners tomorrow so they can begin refining their mapping immediately. First week of January, we'll release the software to all other professional tuners.

TDC will be getting the software tomorrow (Thurs).

Will post the dyno graphs (new interactive versions, VERY cool) on our website tomorrow. Map notes will go up either tomorrow or at the latest Friday (paperwork is always tedious and takes forever).

Any questions? Happy holidays!

Trey @ COBB

[mand3j]

sniff sniff,,,,
I think I'm welling up!

[axis008]

Thanks for the update, Trey!

[ultimakf7]

Say it ain't so...
Thanks, Trey!

[diamondgraymetallic21]

The urban legend has died! I'm sad...but I'll take the extra HP. Can't wait!

[DiscoWagon]

For those who preordered, is Cobb drop shipping them?

[JohnnyGT'08]

could it be.....

[J.R.]

I may have missed it, and couldn't find it by sifting through the pages, but is there a dyno chart of aStage 1 07+ Spec B somewhere. I'm trying to decide if I get an AP now, or just wait until I can go Stage 2.

[NSFW]

Congratulations on the product release, Trey (& everyone else at Cobb). I'm sure a lot of hard work went into getting it ready.

[Gitster]

Damn 08 STi owners, they didnt have to wait for shit !!! :mad: :lol: :lol:

[LGT Dave]

For those who preordered, is Cobb drop shipping them?

I'm pretty sure they are.

I may have missed it, and couldn't find it by sifting through the pages, but is there a dyno chart of aStage 1 07+ Spec B somewhere. I'm trying to decide if I get an AP now, or just wait until I can go Stage 2.

It looks like Cobb kept those to themselves while everyone waited. Trey just said in his post that the dyno graphs will be on their website today (12-20).

[edkwon]

Hallelujah. Us 07 owners espeically were like a bunch of biblical Jobs, just waiting.

[Neurodancer]

The AccessPORTs to support the 2007-2008 Legacy GT/Outback XT (AT, MT, Spec B) will begin shipping tomorrow to dealers. We should get ALL we have current orders for shipped by Friday, as originally stated.

The AccessTUNER Pro software, supporting the new CANBUS Subarus (including even the 08 STi) will go out to select tuners tomorrow so they can begin refining their mapping immediately. First week of January, we'll release the software to all other professional tuners.

TDC will be getting the software tomorrow (Thurs).

Will post the dyno graphs (new interactive versions, VERY cool) on our website tomorrow. Map notes will go up either tomorrow or at the latest Friday (paperwork is always tedious and takes forever).

Any questions? Happy holidays!

Trey @ COBB

Now I have to send my good khakis out for dry cleaning!!! :lol:

Thanks Trey!

[dasbigunit]

Sweet!

[SWP-LegacyGT]

Damn 08 STi owners, they didnt have to wait for shit !!! :mad: :lol: :lol:
Cobb knows the Subaru market. You don't piss off the people that drop $30k-$50k into an already $40k car. :lol:

[SPECB08]

cobb site is updated with 2007+ info and charts - it looks like go straight to stage 2 or don't bother

[Alighieri256]

cobb site is updated with 2007+ info and charts

Man, I was really hoping to see comparable numbers to the '05. What's different from an output point of view other than the catless uppipe and turbo? When they say the VF46 is 'more efficient' is that publicist code for smaller?

[Zed 2.0]

can somebody post up the numbers or an image? Cobb's new interactive dyno app is useless for mobile devices

[02BlkRex]

can somebody post up the numbers or an image? Cobb's new interactive dyno app is useless for mobile devices

Here you go, Zed.

[CapnJack]

Too late

[Zed 2.0]

Thanks. Glad I didn't preorder :(

[CapnJack]

From the graph, it appears as though the torque really drops off in the 3K-4K range, then climbs back up. (Edit - On the baseline)

What is Cobbs definition of stage two? Turboback?

So would it be correct to say a different UP will do little on the 07+ GT and GTsB? Is this because it is gutted already?

[Alighieri256]

Well, It's always possible that they tuned extra conservatively to improve safety considering the relatively small number of vehicles they've actually tested it on. Maybe later revisions will give better numbers. With any luck, TDC might be able to pull a few extra ponies out of their hat.

[Alighieri256]

From the graph, it appears as though the torque really drops off in the 3K-4K range, then climbs back up.

What is Cobbs definition of stage two? Turboback?

So would it be correct to say a different UP will do little on the 07+ GT and GTsB? Is this because it is gutted already?


Yes, Cobb Stage 2 = Turboback.

Also, the power increase from an uppipe is likely to be negligible, as the stock piece is already catless.

[Lothar]

I wonder if Cobb was able to reproduce and fix the stutter. The stock graph looks perfectly stutter-free, unfortunately. That would be my only reason to go Stage 1.

[Trey@COBB]

Yes, we are starting off a little conservative but also a big issue is altitude.

With the past several year model cars from Subaru, the turbos are pretty close to maxed out (in terms of efficiency) at this altitude (4500 ft) and when you add on the minuscule, half-attempt of an intercooler they install on USDM Legacy GT/Outback XT, we fight a losing battle. Remember we only publish the results we feel realistic, often after back to back runs with a relatively hot TMIC instead of one glory run with someone spraying ice water over the intercooler.

With our relationship now with the MSD group, we're looking forward to using Superchip's dyno in Florida for obviously even better sea level and 93 octane mapping but also to get more impressive dyno numbers for marketing purposes. I think our tuning will stay very close to the same, but the numbers we can truthfully publish will be more exciting and obviously better for bragging to your buddies over beers.

Thin air + small turbo = less fun. :(

Cheers,
Trey @ COBB

[Alighieri256]

Yes, we are starting off a little conservative but also a big issue is altitude.

With the past several year model cars from Subaru, the turbos are pretty close to maxed out (in terms of efficiency) at this altitude (4500 ft) and when you add on the minuscule, half-attempt of an intercooler they install on USDM Legacy GT/Outback XT, we fight a losing battle. Remember we only publish the results we feel realistic, often after back to back runs with a relatively hot TMIC instead of one glory run with someone spraying ice water over the intercooler.

With our relationship now with the MSD group, we're looking forward to using Superchip's dyno in Florida for obviously even better sea level and 93 octane mapping but also to get more impressive dyno numbers for marketing purposes. I think our tuning will stay very close to the same, but the numbers we can truthfully publish will be more exciting and obviously better for bragging to your buddies over beers.

Thin air + small turbo = less fun. :(

Cheers,
Trey @ COBB


Trey, as long as you're monitoring, can you comment on the flow rate of the VF46 vs. the VF40 based on what you've seen?

[SPECB08]

Hello Trey since I see/know you are reading here,

I understand the altitude issue - but were the AP dyno plots on your website for the earlier (2006 and earlier) lgt's tested at the same altitude? also, it appears on your new graphs that the stock lgt puts out more hp than the spec.b. but much less torque ?!!

Is it possible the stock hp ratings for the 2007+ lgt and spec.b are reversed? (btw I am not dissing the lgt in any way).

[Richard B.]

cobb site is updated with 2007+ info and charts - it looks like go straight to stage 2 or don't bother


i agree man.

although the torque is over 210 on average and hp is about where it should be.

i seriously hate the lack of top end. funny thing though.i would swear that in my 07 it pulls better the farther into the rpms i go.

[Bbc84]

well its a good thing im going stage 2 right away with my 08' LGT.

[Richard B.]

Hello Trey since I see/know you are reading here,

I understand the altitude issue - but were the AP dyno plots on your website for the earlier (2006 and earlier) lgt's tested at the same altitude? also, it appears on your new graphs that the stock lgt puts out more hp than the spec.b. but much less torque ?!!

Is it possible the stock hp ratings for the 2007+ lgt and spec.b are reversed? (btw I am not dissing the lgt in any way).

gears?

that is a weird one though. nice to see 185-200hp right on the top end though.

[jamiesong]

surprising! I was going to hang onto my money for a bit anyways, though I'm still curious to see what they can pull down in FL. Keep us updated! :)

Thanks,

[the_3d_man]

Well I just ordered one. I'm all tingly...

[Alighieri256]

From the graph, it appears as though the torque really drops off in the 3K-4K range, then climbs back up. (Edit - On the baseline)

I wonder if Cobb was able to reproduce and fix the stutter. The stock graph looks perfectly stutter-free, unfortunately. That would be my only reason to go Stage 1.

Each of your questions is the other's answer.

[spence]

It does not state explicitly on Cobb's site that this is also for the 2008 OBXT. Could someone please confirm that it will work with the 2008 OBXT.

Also, can I use stage II maps with just a downpipe on the 08 OBXT.

[Alighieri256]

It does not state explicitly on Cobb's site that this is also for the 2008 OBXT. Could someone please confirm that it will work with the 2008 OBXT.

Also, can I use stage II maps with just a downpipe on the 08 OBXT.

Yes, and yes.

[Christian.]

Trey, as long as you're monitoring, can you comment on the flow rate of the VF46 vs. the VF40 based on what you've seen?
The turbo difference has not made a significant improvement IMO since the air is still sent through the same stock (barely efficient for stock boost levels) TMIC. These new motors are also more efficient than any previous model of LGT which means they require less ignition advance to make the same power...which also means that these engines are more sensitive to increased IATs. I will be paying attention to the various posts over the holidays and we may want to start another thread where I can respond to the end users over the holidays to get feedback about our initial calibrations. After additional data is collected and we are able to make additional trips down to sea level for testing, I am sure we will be able to make additional power with our OTS calibrations.

Take care,
Christian.

[camber]

So, I guess at sea level we can expect normal stage 2 dyno runs to be in the 230-250 whp range. ...

The new cars are making some nice torque...

[SPECB08]

Christian,

would you say that stage 1 should now be AP and a replacement intercooler?

[camber]

Do you think it's possible to do this?

Hey Christian,


It is possible to alter a scalar in the ECU to make the trip computer and NAV to work properly after installing bigger injectors?

See this thread:

http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73550 (http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73550)

Is it possible to get the new AP to support this type of option?

Thanks.

[Trey@COBB]

If it's taking the output from the ECU to the fuel injector, then any recalibration would have to be done at the Navi or trip computer. There would be nothing we can change within the ECU to have it send a correct signal to the injector but a modified signal to the trip computer.

If it's taking a CAN packet, THEN maybe we can skew the output on the ECU side without affecting how the injector is driven (the injectors don't receive CAN signals).

EVEN EASIER, The update for the AccessPORT to display fuel economy is only a few weeks away (after the holiday) and it won't be affected by the same issue. You can run any size injector you want and it'll properly calculate the fuel economy.

Cheers,
Trey @ COBB

[gnuey]

Will the AP be able to disable that stupid TPMS light? Or perhaps even fool the tests at vehicle inspection?

[camber]

If it's taking the output from the ECU to the fuel injector, then any recalibration would have to be done at the Navi or trip computer. There would be nothing we can change within the ECU to have it send a correct signal to the injector but a modified signal to the trip computer.

If it's taking a CAN packet, THEN maybe we can skew the output on the ECU side without affecting how the injector is driven (the injectors don't receive CAN signals).

EVEN EASIER, The update for the AccessPORT to display fuel economy is only a few weeks away (after the holiday) and it won't be affected by the same issue. You can run any size injector you want and it'll properly calculate the fuel economy.

Cheers,
Trey @ COBB

Thanks for the response!!!

The NAV and the trip computer seemingly get their info from a data line. Which probably means that info from the ECU is being sent over the CAN bus to the NAV and trip. I'm sure a bunch of us Subaru guys with OEM NAVs and people that use that use OEM trip computer would appreciate acutally having these items function properly after a injector upgrade.

I know that modding can have some drawbacks. However, with this car, I want everything to appear to function as stock as possible while providing exceptional performance.

Please, investigate if this is possible or not. I'm sure this is something that effects all new Subaru's and not just LGT's.

[edkwon]

Will the AP be able to disable that stupid TPMS light? Or perhaps even fool the tests at vehicle inspection?

thats an original question, i dont see how an ECU reflash module has anything to do with the TPMS system. anyone care to correct me on this?

[Gitster]

I would sincerely HOPE that this is last on Cobbs' minds :lol: :lol:

[heightsgtltd]

yes

[edkwon]

I'll email Cobb to see the AP will get rid of the seatbelt chime permanently. actually that would almost justify the price alone.

[gnuey]

This is the link I was referring to about TPMS and the ECU:

http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57743

I guess we'll have to wait and see...

[edkwon]

This is the link I was referring to about TPMS and the ECU:

http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57743

I guess we'll have to wait and see...

Even if it is controlled thru the ECU, im not sure Cobb put that as a high enough priority when they were writing the new AP software...

[Gitster]

SI Drive might be a higher priority then TPMS, not sure though, ill wait for Trey to confirm.

:munch:

[burnin4]

Rally Sport Direct received their cobb ap inventory today, shipped mine for overnight delivery :)

[burnin4]

ap arrived today! headed out to install, I'll let you guys know my impressions this afternoon.

[keysersoze]

ap arrived today! headed out to install, I'll let you guys know my impressions this afternoon.
:munch:

[BigInALegacy]

:whore: :munch:

[JohnnyGT'08]

Finally!

[sirsimon]

Excited to hear your impressions. :)

[edkwon]

ap arrived today! headed out to install, I'll let you guys know my impressions this afternoon.

UPS delivers to you on a saturday? lucky guy. let us know how it goes.

[DiscoWagon]

ap arrived today! headed out to install, I'll let you guys know my impressions this afternoon.

Bastard!!!!! What mods do you currently have?

[burnin4]

ahh man, the cobb ap is excellent!!! everything is improved, idle, throttle response, boost, and no more "dip" in the rpm band. you can actually feel the boost hit, pulls very nicely. I have a cobb hfc tbe, running the 93 octane stg2 map. the ap was ridiculously easy to install, basically plug the everything in and follow the directions on the programer, took about 10 minutes or so.

I couldnt be happier with an ots map, cant wait to get it dyno tuned. Today is christmas for me :lol: I finally got my sti back, ppg made a custom part for my dogbox....she runs beautifully. last time I drove her I ran a 10 sec pass on 24 psi, currently running 28psi conservatively, which breaks the tires loose in 2nd and 3rd gear. UPS delivered my ap a few days early, wasnt expecting it until monday or wed...nice surprise on my doorstep. Big thanks to Rally Sport Direct for the quick sale and ship.

Honestly, I was unhappy with the performance of my spec b, just didnt do it for me. the tbe made a little diff, mostly sound/looks, but now it is a delight to drive. I look forward to the time I need to leave the house :).

[han]

Nice. Nice to hear that you like it. Now, others and myself will have to wait to enjoy that feeling.

[JohnnyGT'08]

I'll be very interested to see if there are any results on a stock 08 GT.
I eventually plan on going Stage II, but don't have the $$$ right now.
Debating if I should wait, and do it all at one, or if it's worth getting the AP first...
Decisions, decisions, decisions.....

[burnin4]

^cant go wrong with buying the ap first. I didnt feel too much improvement with the tbe alone, except sound and looks. the ap will definitely improve the driveability of your car, you'll be much happier with your gt until you have the $ to go stg 2. just my .02

[autotech]

im going to wait about a month to save funds and then buy (xmas has left me a little short in the $$ department)...but i can't wait to see more reactions to AP. I may be tempted to just buy and pay it off on the credit card or something.

[Denver133]

ahh man, the cobb ap is excellent!!! everything is improved, idle, throttle response, boost, and no more "dip" in the rpm band. you can actually feel the boost hit, pulls very nicely. I have a cobb hfc tbe, running the 93 octane stg2 map. the ap was ridiculously easy to install, basically plug the everything in and follow the directions on the programer, took about 10 minutes or so.

Honestly, I was unhappy with the performance of my spec b, just didnt do it for me. the tbe made a little diff, mostly sound/looks, but now it is a delight to drive. I look forward to the time I need to leave the house :).


I agree with you 100% buring. I have been unhappy with the performance of my spec B as well. I was hoping for more. I am extreamly glad to hear about your success with the AP. I can not wait till next week when mine arrives.

[VirtualReality]

Burnin4, did you try if the SI-drive still work?

Hopefully I'll get mine sometime next week.

[BigInALegacy]

+1 on functionality of SI-Drive

Glad to hear you're having fun! :D

[burnin4]

i actually did not try the diff settings, I am in the habit of clicking the SI drive to the Sport # immediately after starting the car. I cannot comment on the other setting right now, give me another day.

I spent all day washing, clay baring, waxing, and vacuming both rides. I'm all worn out, but I'm sure I'll slip out tonight in my sti....I'm overdue to administer a beat down to some poor soul :lol:

[PRODRIVEN]

Does stg 1 ot 2 map change the all the settings on the SI-drive? How are the i/s/s# modes utilized?

[LGT Dave]

Cobb said that the SI-Drive will continue to work just as it always has for now. In the future there may be more options such as using it to change to different maps.

[VirtualReality]

That means stage 1/2 maps will be in S# only and I/S stays same as stock?

Thanks for the info :)

[LGT Dave]

Right now SI-Drive really only affects throttle inputs. In I-Mode, when the gas pedal is all the way down, the throttle is open ~40%. In S-Mode, when the gas pedal is all the way down, the throttle is open 100%. In S#-Mode, when the gas pedal is about half-way down, the throttle is open 100% and pushing the pedal farther does nothing but keep it at 100%. So, the SI-Drive will continue to work that same way with Stage I/II, but each mode should have more power in them. I haven't really seen a lot of information on what all will be possible in the future regarding the SI-Drive, just that they said we may be able to change more things with future firmware releases for the AP. I have no idea if that means we'll be able to change to completely different maps (such as Economy, Stage I and Stage II with each setting), or if it only means they'll be able to make different throttle adjustments than what it does currently.

[ultimakf7]

Cobb's Economy Map + I-Mode has got to be = Ultra Granny mode

[JohnnyGT'08]

Intelligent mode...yuck.

[dbrunone]

I have no idea if that means we'll be able to change to completely different maps (such as Economy, Stage I and Stage II with each setting), or if it only means they'll be able to make different throttle adjustments than what it does currently.

But....your highest performance map IS your highest economy map, assuming you stay off the throttle. And thats just what SI-drive is supposed to do, is force you to stay off the throttle. The most useful thing you can do with SI-drive is use it for pump gas, race gas, and meth switching.

[ultimakf7]

^^ that's for 05-06's

[Town]

^cant go wrong with buying the ap first. I didnt feel too much improvement with the tbe alone, except sound and looks. the ap will definitely improve the driveability of your car, you'll be much happier with your gt until you have the $ to go stg 2. just my .02

What's the savings of doing it all at once (StgII) versus getting the turbo-back later and just getting the AP(StgI) for stock? Just labor (actually none needed), or is there a fee to get the new OTC map? Is there a discount for doing it all at once? What if I go all Cobb?

It's not the cost; it'll happen regardless. I'm just nervous about the warranty ... still under 2k miles. Just the AP for now?

[cannis]

I'd like to hear more about how it affects "the dip". That has been the bane of my freakin existence.

I have CBE only so I guess I'd be going with Stg I maps.

Also, in response to some people's info about the difference btn I/S/S# being only throttle input... my info is only experience based, but it seems that if I am at WOT and switch from S to S# during accel there is a slight increase in pull/power. This goes against the idea that the only difference btn S and S# is that S= WOT at 100% depressed and S#= WOT at 50%.

Any thoughts?

[burnin4]

I'd like to hear more about how it affects "the dip". That has been the bane of my freakin existence.


the "dip" is gone!!!! the car is sooo much better driving, everything is improved, idling, between gear shifts, and you can actually tell there is a turbo under the hood :lol:. 1st and 2nd gear are down right impressive, almost like a stg2 sti. I couldnt be happier with the ots map.

[2005garnetGT]

I'd like to hear more about how it affects "the dip". That has been the bane of my freakin existence.

I have CBE only so I guess I'd be going with Stg I maps.

Also, in response to some people's info about the difference btn I/S/S# being only throttle input... my info is only experience based, but it seems that if I am at WOT and switch from S to S# during accel there is a slight increase in pull/power. This goes against the idea that the only difference btn S and S# is that S= WOT at 100% depressed and S#= WOT at 50%.

Any thoughts?

placebo effect, it affects throttle mapping only.

[DukeTrout]

I'm still not sure that's accurate. I was under the distinct impression that in I mode, not only was the throttle response slower, but that the turbo runs "passive", with the wastegate always open and the flow-though exhaust spinning of the turbo only generating about 7 psi.

[2005garnetGT]

thats not possible.
the wastegate spring is a fixed device, set around 9 psi.
there is no difference in the wastegate actuator between the VF40 and VF46

[Prime Power]

I also believe the I mode limits boost to 7psi. Can't remember where I found that at though. Or how it does it.

[rmcferon]

I also believe the I mode limits boost to 7psi.

I believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.:spin:

[DiscoWagon]

Hasnt it been proven that the cars make the same power in all modes? I don't believe that I mode boosts more than wastegate either.

[BigInALegacy]

^^ i dont think so. I think if you look I-mode yields about 190hp vs 243hp. could be wrong, but I think that's right.

SI-Drive... :iam: ;)

[Richard B.]

Hasnt it been proven that the cars make the same power in all modes? I don't believe that I mode boosts more than wastegate either.

my right foot and changing on the fly says not the same power.

i can floor it in I change the map at 5k rpms and there is most definitely a power difference.

as far as the placebo affect. i disagree a little. i would almost swear the engine sounds different and there is something different. just not sure what. i'd have to take it out again, but it sometimes seems that s is more deeper toned than s#.

[Richard B.]

Also, in response to some people's info about the difference btn I/S/S# being only throttle input... my info is only experience based, but it seems that if I am at WOT and switch from S to S# during accel there is a slight increase in pull/power. This goes against the idea that the only difference btn S and S# is that S= WOT at 100% depressed and S#= WOT at 50%.

Any thoughts?


i hear what you are saying man. but at what point in the rpms are you changing maps?

i know my post above doesn't make much sense to thins in comparison, but hang with me here.

it is said that the s# opens throttle more sooner. IF you change at around 3k rpm's then there should definitely be a feel in difference. to me it seems to pull stronger in s# no matter the rpm's. i have to take it out again to really check the upper revs though.


you know what. someone should check the throttle graph on the gauge cluster and compare it with shifting and rpm's and speed between the modes. maybe compare all with a boost gauge.

[Zimm]

Is it possible that in "I" mode the throttle never opens fully? Wouldn't this, therefore, limit the max boost the turbo will make (flow through the engine will not be as high with throttle not fully open -> slower turbo -> less boost)?

Just a thought.

[Richard B.]

Is it possible that in "I" mode the throttle never opens fully? Wouldn't this, therefore, limit the max boost the turbo will make (flow through the engine will not be as high with throttle not fully open -> slower turbo -> less boost)?

Just a thought.

not sure

IF max boost is at 3k rpms...I mode on my 5eat shifts at around 5500. so it's open enough to get it int he upper revs. i believe the manual guys can redline i mode.

trust me...the power isn't close to the s modes. imo, i mode isn't useless so don;t get me wrong. i mode isn't built for stoplight racing or any racing for that matter. you can drive it like any other car. i took the gt to 110mph in i mode before. it has less power yes, but it isn't useless.

[jmfspecb]

Stay on target... stay on target...

[Richard B.]

Stay on target... stay on target...

technically, this thread an be closed.

the ap is out. what more "updates" are needed?

[2005garnetGT]

Is it possible that in "I" mode the throttle never opens fully? Wouldn't this, therefore, limit the max boost the turbo will make (flow through the engine will not be as high with throttle not fully open -> slower turbo -> less boost)?

Just a thought.

this is exactly how it works.

theres a chart showing accelerator position vs. throttle position around somewhere

[Gator GT]

I may have to eat my words on not getting the AP...but I still won't take back how frustrating it is to see a vendor slip slip slip on the deadline with this much hype and anticipation.


RE: functionality of SI knob. It makes sense that the knob will work the same way before AND after the AP is installed, adjusting the only the throttle position.

And I'd prefer to have this knob in the dash rather than fart around with handling the APV2.0 unit (like 05/06 owners) when wanting to change up the maps on the fly.


I'm a little fuzzy on this MPG adjustment when upgrading injectors. Will the AP unit update the software on the ECU (which outputs MPG to the MID and NAV) thus allowing the MID and NAV to display the appropriate information?

[JSurretsky]

technically, this thread an be closed.

the ap is out. what more "updates" are needed?


+1:)

[2005garnetGT]

I may have to eat my words on not getting the AP...but I still won't take back how frustrating it is to see a vendor slip slip slip on the deadline with this much hype and anticipation.


RE: functionality of SI knob. It makes sense that the knob will work the same way before AND after the AP is installed, adjusting the only the throttle position.

And I'd prefer to have this knob in the dash rather than fart around with handling the APV2.0 unit (like 05/06 owners) when wanting to change up the maps on the fly.


I'm a little fuzzy on this MPG adjustment when upgrading injectors. Will the AP unit update the software on the ECU (which outputs MPG to the MID and NAV) thus allowing the MID and NAV to display the appropriate information?
there's really no need to change mapping for everything on the fly...
unless you're streetracing, which means you should DIAF anyway.

[Gitster]

Uhh no. How about software updates? You think theyre done working on it?

[DukeTrout]

From what Christian said, it sounds like they are working on an app for the AccessPort so that it will display an accurate mileage gauge, like it can display boost, etc. The OEM gauges will still be inaccurate.

edit: Replying to GatorGT a few posts above, to avoid confusion.

[Gator GT]

From what Christian said, it sounds like they are working on an app for the AccessPort so that it will display an accurate mileage gauge, like it can display boost, etc. The OEM gauges will still be inaccurate.

edit: Replying to GatorGT a few posts above, to avoid confusion.

Right, I saw that post from Cobb (Trey or Christian...whomever), I was just trying to get it clarified to understand what was getting the benefit: just the AP unit, or a re-writing of software on the ECU to display a corrected MPG on the usual outputs (NAV and MID).

Having it on the AP unit is useless to me as I will flash the ECU and put it back in my room. Doesn't help when I'm on the road, all flashed and set to go. So, if they can get the AP to upload a software "patch" to the ECU in order to display proper values on the NAV and MID, that'd be best. I don't care much about the ECO gauge as my boost gauge blocks that.

[Richard B.]

Uhh no. How about software updates? You think theyre done working on it?


dunno...same way people found out about updates on the 05-06 ap's?

[badfish11]

holy unsubscribe

[Gitster]

Im just saying why close this thread? They said they are working on Si Drive capabilities, theres definitely more in the works :spin:

[LGT Dave]

Here's a good thread about the differences in the 3 modes of the SI-Drive: http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46379. Post #52 has a dyno graph of all 3 modes overlaid. There's really not much of a difference in the max numbers between S and S# (actually S-mode makes a little more power because it opens the throttle 100% while S# mode never goes above 98% as discussed in post #1 there).

[Richard B.]

ive got a couple of questions for cobb.


1) what were the normal boost levels stock that you guys were seeing and what are the tuned boost figures? spec B vs gt.

2) is there a difference that you all saw between the B and the gt? either internal or external?

the maps didn't seem right. it seems the B has more torque after tuned but less hp than the gt.

what was/is the reason for this?

[bull]

ive got a couple of questions for cobb.


1) what were the normal boost levels stock that you guys were seeing and what are the tuned boost figures? spec B vs gt.

2) is there a difference that you all saw between the B and the gt? either internal or external?

the maps didn't seem right. it seems the B has more torque after tuned but less hp than the gt.

what was/is the reason for this?
you should search for the 07 ecutek results. 4 of us were tuned by ecutek. 2 gt's and 2 specb's. it was almost 100 degrees, so making boost was a problem. they couldn't get the cars to hold more than 16 psi. i was retuned to 18psi tapering to 14 psi at redline. i was the only 5eat http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66712&highlight=ecutek

[LGT Dave]

the maps didn't seem right. it seems the B has more torque after tuned but less hp than the gt.

what was/is the reason for this?

My guess would be the difference in the gears between the 5MT and 6MT. The 5MT is normally run on the dyno in 3rd. With the 6MT you can probably use either 3rd or 4th, but neither of those have the same gear ratio as the 5MT in 3rd.

[Richard B.]

http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76143&page=3&highlight=ecutek+results

??

[bull]

http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76143&page=3&highlight=ecutek+results

??
what's the ?

[Richard B.]

what's the ?

was wonderig if that was the post you werre talking about. but in the meantme you had edited your post with a link.

either way...

what was the before and after figures for all involved?

[bull]

it's hard to say pre-tuned. i went to the tune with every bolt-on prior to turbo and fuel. my base run was 201 whp and 205 wtq. after was 236 whp and 275 wtq. i will try and post my dyno graph. my IAT's hit an high of 167 degrees and it was almost 100 in Conn. that day

[evil g]

OK.. so i'm ready o buy an AP.. then again.. I was ready 10 months ago when I bought my LGT...

What is the COBB definition of stage 2? is "turbo back" a downpipe, and exhaust?

i'm most likely going to get the AP ASAP... and wait till spring for the other upgrades

thanks for my nubie q... but my A4 was easy.. drop in the chip & fly

[mand3j]

turboback= downpipe+centerpipe+"Y" pipe+ cans
catback= centerpipe+"Y" pipe+ cans

AP and a 3" downpipe will arguably put you at stage2. Because you have an 07' your up pipe has already been upgraded over the 05, 06s

The catback portion of the exhaust will earn you a few horsepower if you are willing to put up with a much louder car, otherwise, a quieter exhaust like a borla will do very little.

[spiderpig]

AP tune vs longeivity -

I ordered the AP, cobb catted dp and perrin tmic for my 08 spec.b. do you think it would be advisable to simply use the stock cobb stg 2 map with the intercooler as kind of a safety feature or should I risk more using the tdc map (that I am getting for free) the maxes out the tmic? thanks

[DukeTrout]

From what Christian is saying, the stock IC is holding even a "stage 2" back. You might put that on the list with the downpipe, like PDX recommends.

[2005garnetGT]

thats funny, because people have run 12s on the stock IC..

[Gitster]

Kinda means nothing. Of course its possible, doesn't mean its not holding you back.

[ERLoft]

I think this has already been settled, but the Intelligent mode does limit boost to 7psi.

Here's my thread from the original dyno of my car with the SPT intake only:

http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56700&highlight=dyno+number

[Richard B.]

and another question.


what about the people who have already dynoed higher hp and are already seeing 15psi from the factory? gt and B owners are already stating 15 psi. would the stage 1 be a improvement or a setback?

blah lah blah driveability etc. i dont have the "dip" and not everyone does.

[CapnJack]

and another question.


what about the people who have already dynoed higher hp and are already seeing 15psi from the factory? gt and B owners are already stating 15 psi. would the stage 1 be a improvement or a setback?

blah lah blah driveability etc. i dont have the "dip" and not everyone does.

I believe you will always see some cars that are higher from the factory than others. Tolerance stackup plays a big role when building complex objects.

Also keep in mind that Cobb said

we are starting off a little conservative but also a big issue is altitude.

With the past several year model cars from Subaru, the turbos are pretty close to maxed out (in terms of efficiency) at this altitude (4500 ft) and when you add on the minuscule, half-attempt of an intercooler they install on USDM Legacy GT/Outback XT, we fight a losing battle. Remember we only publish the results we feel realistic, often after back to back runs with a relatively hot TMIC instead of one glory run with someone spraying ice water over the intercooler.

[2005garnetGT]

if cobb truly believed the stock IC was that bad, they wouldn't be pushing 3 psi over stock on stage 2 maps.

[2005garnetGT]

I think this has already been settled, but the Intelligent mode does limit boost to 7psi.

Here's my thread from the original dyno of my car with the SPT intake only:

http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56700&highlight=dyno+number
no, it limits throttle angle, which as an effect limits the boost.

I bet you could make full boost in I mode by changing the target boost map.

[Neurodancer]

technically, this thread an be closed.

the ap is out. what more "updates" are needed?

I disagree. Don't you think that Cobb is releasing almost a beta version of the AP? I am anticipating a slew of updates pretty quickly.

Yes, we are starting off a little conservative ...

Cheers,
Trey @ COBB

[Gitster]

+ one million

[dbrunone]

Would it be safe to use an AVO panel filter with the stg2 Cobb map?

[Long Island Legacy]

So has anyone got the AP running on their cars yet. I Wanna hear about driveability and SI drive modes.

[JABBER]

Anyone who preorder from TDC received there's yet?

[badfish11]

Does anyone know if it's supposed to snow tonight in NY :lol:

[JSurretsky]

Anyone who preorder from TDC received there's yet?

No, I pre-ordered on the 12th and have not heard from them. i sent an e-mail on Friday the 21st to inquire about a shipping estimate. I plan on calling them either tomorrow or Friday.

[Long Island Legacy]

I Hope no snow. Lol

[mand3j]

I think I pre-ordered mine on the 8th.
I got an email from Joe on the 24th. saying I should see it in 1 to 2 business days.
I had it shipped to my work, we'll see if it's there tomorrow.
If you check TDC tunings website and go to my account, you might get some info.

[Bbc84]

I think I pre-ordered mine on the 8th.
I got an email from Joe on the 24th. saying I should see it in 1 to 2 business days.
I had it shipped to my work, we'll see if it's there tomorrow.
If you check TDC tunings website and go to my account, you might get some info.


mine says its still processing there was an update something about Resend or something. but nothting that says shipped or anything.

[Gator GT]

I emailed TDC on Dec 24th and haven't heard anything.

[burnin4]

So has anyone got the AP running on their cars yet. I Wanna hear about driveability and SI drive modes.

the new ap is wonderful. i received mine a few days ago (Sat 22nd). I have zero complaints about the ots map, completely changes the driveability, and the "dip" in the rpm band is replaced with a nice yank from the turbo.

the cobb ap made such a diff on my spec b that I have decided to keep her, had her up for sale previously.

[mand3j]

what mods do you have?

[dr_sharp]

the cobb ap made such a diff on my spec b that I have decided to keep her, had her up for sale previously.
Wow... that's awesome... do you work for Cobb's marketing dept?? :lol:

[Infamous1]

Would it be safe to use an AVO panel filter with the stg2 Cobb map?
Yes, the only time you need to worry about intake parts is when you change the MAF housing.

[burnin4]

what mods do you have?

I have a full tbe (hfc) and k&n drop in. I'm running their stg 2 93 map.

[burnin4]

Wow... that's awesome... do you work for Cobb's marketing dept?? :lol:

haha, no. I think cobb is a great company, but still pissed one of their longblocks took a dump on me 4K after install :mad:

I was just bored/unhappy with the performance of my spec b, was ready to give her up. the cobb ap + tbe gave the car what it really needed, now it's a delight to drive. I'll have it dyno tuned the week cobb releases the protuner software, look forward to those gains over the ots map.

[edkwon]

My AP finally arrived today, flashed the OTS stg 2 CA91 map, definitely smooths everything out, probably get a protune in a couple months, no hurry.

One question, is this new unit universal for all the 2.5L CANbus turbo subarus? It looks like the same unit can be used with all the 07/08 WRX/WRX Sti/LGT/Spec B. So if i sold this unit i can sell it to any of those owners?

[Alighieri256]

My AP finally arrived today, flashed the OTS stg 2 CA91 map, definitely smooths everything out, probably get a protune in a couple months, no hurry.

One question, is this new unit universal for all the 2.5L CANbus turbo subarus? It looks like the same unit can be used with all the 07/08 WRX/WRX Sti/LGT/Spec B. So if i sold this unit i can sell it to any of those owners?

Well, prior to the release of this unit, there were two AP V2.0s. One for the 2.0 liter and another for the 2.5. So, if past precedent is any indicator, I think it's a safe bet that the 2.5 liter CANBus cars will all share the same AP hardware.

[Bbc84]

My AP finally arrived today, flashed the OTS stg 2 CA91 map, definitely smooths everything out, probably get a protune in a couple months, no hurry.

One question, is this new unit universal for all the 2.5L CANbus turbo subarus? It looks like the same unit can be used with all the 07/08 WRX/WRX Sti/LGT/Spec B. So if i sold this unit i can sell it to any of those owners?


who did you order it from?

[JimmyJam271]

Ok so I'm looking at getting the AP and I already have a SPT CAI and SPT exhaust. Do you guys think I would be ok or will I need a dyno tune..I'm new to Turbos and Subaru's. I currently have a 08 limited gt with about 10000 miles.

[Infamous1]

Ok so I'm looking at getting the AP and I already have a SPT CAI and SPT exhaust. Do you guys think I would be ok or will I need a dyno tune..I'm new to Turbos and Subaru's. I currently have a 08 limited gt with about 10000 miles.
You should probaly remove the SPT intake first....

[JimmyJam271]

the car came with both so I cant go back. what would you recommend replacing it with.

[badfish11]

^^ If you put on a aftermarket downpipe you can get the AP and go right to stage II.

[Infamous1]

the car came with both so I cant go back. what would you recommend replacing it with.
If you plan on using just Cobbs OTS maps then the stock box.....

[badfish11]

sirsimon was selling his stock airbox a few months ago.. here's his 4 sale thread http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73801&highlight=air+box

[edkwon]

i ordered my AP from TDC, i know Cobb shippd it directly from CO which is prob why i got it so quickly.

[pegleg]

Isn't cobb in Utah? I was banking on that theory (Utah is right next door) since I'm from CO, but I've yet to see mine, or receive any tracking info.

[han]

YAY! got my AP today! From TDC. I haven't installed it yet do to bad weather.

Kinda wish it WOULD NOT snow for once.

[LGT Dave]

Isn't cobb in Utah?

Yes.

[DukeTrout]

Would it be safe to use an AVO panel filter with the stg2 Cobb map?

Several tuners have said that the stock intake is good for well over 300 hp. So stage 2 shouldn't be anywhere near capacity. When you go for 400 whp, you might need to look at the intake.

[dbrunone]

Several tuners have said that the stock intake is good for well over 300 hp. So stage 2 shouldn't be anywhere near capacity. When you go for 400 whp, you might need to look at the intake.

Oh, I wasn't talking about "will my intake limit my power". I was talking about "Will the high-flow filter instead of the OEM one result in a shitty tune and destroy my engine"

[Infamous1]

^^^
Like I said previously, it doesn't matter if the MAF housing stays the same.

[Gator GT]

I can't even get a hold of TDC....what...are they on vacation??

[dbrunone]

I can't even get a hold of TDC....what...are they on vacation??

Yes, until Jan 2. It seems that 21 AP's were shipped from Cobb for TDC already, most people that got tracking info don't expect theirs to arrive until jan 3-10

[BigInALegacy]

Yes, until Jan 2.

I need to work there... that's a helluva vacation. ;)

[JSurretsky]

Yes, until Jan 2. It seems that 21 AP's were shipped from Cobb for TDC already, most people that got tracking info don't expect theirs to arrive until jan 3-10

I received an e-mail today from TDC stating that my AP shipped today. I'm not sure whether to believe them since I was not given any tracking information nor was the shipping status changed from "processing".

[BigInALegacy]

^^ Check the TDC thread, they said they leave it as processing until they send you your map, that way they know who's gotten it.

[LGT Dave]

I received an e-mail today from TDC stating that my AP shipped today. I'm not sure whether to believe them since I was not given any tracking information nor was the shipping status changed from "processing".

I was in the same situation, however when I clicked on the "My Account" link on their site and then clicked the "View" button to the right of where my order said Processing, there was a UPS tracking number towards the bottom of the page in the "Order History" section.

[Gator GT]

Yes, until Jan 2. It seems that 21 AP's were shipped from Cobb for TDC already, most people that got tracking info don't expect theirs to arrive until jan 3-10

Thank you db.


Geez, that's kind of sucky for someone if they have a tuning issue that needs solving (that was originally tuned by TDC)....or if someone wanted to order an APv2.0-SI/OTS map before their "Pre-sale" offer goes invalid.

:spin:

[Mike*]

Thank you db.


Geez, that's kind of sucky for someone if they have a tuning issue that needs solving (that was originally tuned by TDC)....or if someone wanted to order an APv2.0-SI/OTS map before their "Pre-sale" offer goes invalid.

:spin:not really i have been around all week and weekend online
updating and sending info.

there cant be tuning issues that need solving since we havent sent maps out yet...