View Full Version : BIG reminder about the Stock tires
700watts
12-08-2006, 01:49 PM
Ok,
I just switched back to my stock wheels and tires....This morning I was going around one of my favorite exit ramp or on-ramp to 95s (32E to 95S) and quickly found out that COLD weather + Cold asphalt + Stock tires = Tight ARse ....Gentlemen let me tell ya.... I thought for a slit second "this isn't good" but we kept it together and merged in.... To make a long story short, stock tires suck :cool: “re92s ?” I think….
PhilT
12-08-2006, 01:52 PM
Obligatory post
http://freon.shackspace.com/misc/re92.jpg
Spec B
12-08-2006, 01:56 PM
^^^^:lol: :lol:
700watts
12-08-2006, 02:01 PM
^^^Thats pretty good :lol: :lol:
Just don't over drive them and you will be just fine.. :)
heightsgtltd
12-08-2006, 02:56 PM
here we go again...
MDork
12-08-2006, 02:59 PM
hey its my job to insert that pic! i rightfully stole it from nasty sock!
SubiGT
12-08-2006, 03:04 PM
I put my stock rims with RE92's back on recently too. I was rather surprised with their ability in rain, snow, and ice last winter. Not a dedicated performer in any specific condition, but predictable and managable for me. They will come off in the spring for good, replaced when Tirerack unloads their warehouses of winter rubber.
Deer Killer
12-08-2006, 03:07 PM
The fact that the poster exists in itself.........
700watts
12-08-2006, 03:12 PM
Just don't over drive them and you will be just fine.. :)
Trust.....that laps in memory will not happen again.....
PhilT
12-08-2006, 03:15 PM
here we go again...
Round round, baby, right round :icon_wink
IwannaSportSedan
12-08-2006, 03:54 PM
Not overdriving RE92s... with a turbocharged AWD car...
That is like telling a cat not to scratch the furniture. It is a cat. with claws. it is going to scratch no matter how sternly you warn it... :D
Just one of those things that happens without even really meaning to. I have to keep from over-driving my snow tires, too. I periodically forget, and "pass with extreme prejudice"... then whoa.... gotta slow down.
And yes... the thread, it spins again.
unclemat
12-08-2006, 04:16 PM
Tirerack unloads their warehouses of winter rubber.
You might be disappointed. Winter rubber is seasonal and chances are stock, is well gone by the spring.
Not overdriving RE92s... with a turbocharged AWD car...
That is like telling a cat not to scratch the furniture. It is a cat. with claws. it is going to scratch no matter how sternly you warn it... :D
Just one of those things that happens without even really meaning to. I have to keep from over-driving my snow tires, too. I periodically forget, and "pass with extreme prejudice"... then whoa.... gotta slow down.
While I agree, it take a great deal of restraint to not over drive the RE92, it is however possible.
And your example of a cat is probably the correct for the majority of cats, but my cat is an example of the opposite.. :)
here we go again...
Yes.
I'm glad to read another thread on the demonic RE-92's. They are spawned from HELL obviously. How could they have been made? Is Bridgestone trying to kill us all with this brutal design?:rolleyes:
Should we start up a class action suit of some kind?:lol:
TDC Tuning
12-09-2006, 12:17 AM
you guys are on drugs
i run Re92
and oem clutch
on approx 400 ftlbs and 400 whp
i have yet to have an issue
drove them all last year too (winter 13+" snowstorms)
yeah if u try to over drive any tire you can pucker
stop trying to turn the streets into Laguna Seca K?
:lol::lol:
I had Re-070 on all sumer
the re92 were a welcome change to bone jarring Re070
once the graspics go on ittl be even softer
Ok,
I just switched back to my stock wheels and tires....This morning I was going around one of my favorite exit ramp or on-ramp to 95s (32E to 95S) and quickly found out that COLD weather + Cold asphalt + Stock tires = Tight ARse ....Gentlemen let me tell ya.... I thought for a slit second "this isn't good" but we kept it together and merged in.... To make a long story short, stock tires suck :cool: “re92s ?” I think….
No, YOUR driving sucks! If the tires are so bad, there should of been dozens of class-action law suits against Subaru and Bridgestone.
If you can't adapt your driving to the conditions and equipment, you need to get your license revoked.:lol::lol:
I drive the stockers all winter at 44/42, without problems.Except they don't wanna stop on glazed-slush and harder slick. Even at factory recommended tire pressure.
I dread those road conditions in this car. But it happens so infrequently here I don't bother with snows.
As long as they can maintain some contact with the pavement, even in the rain, they seem safe if driven accordingly.
But once the slickpak is there, I leave tons of car lengths and granny it.
jagcars26
12-09-2006, 06:58 AM
I smell dead horse,,,,,,,,,,
heightsgtltd
12-09-2006, 07:05 AM
I drive the stockers all winter at 44/42, without problems.Except they don't wanna stop on glazed-slush and harder slick. Even at factory recommended tire pressure.
I dread those road conditions in this car.
Yeah see, it just takes one instance in those conditions or even in snow and you end up in a dirt nap.
Ain't worth the odds statistcally, and with other tires you get much better wet traction to boot.
But by all means, put yourself and others at risk.
heightsgtltd
12-09-2006, 07:06 AM
I smell dead horse,,,,,,,,,,
You gotta eat something else for breakfast..:lol:
Yeah see, it just takes one instance in those conditions or even in snow and you end up in a dirt nap.
Ain't worth the odds statistcally, and with other tires you get much better wet traction to boot.
But by all means, put yourself and others at risk.
I didn't say the tires won't stop the vehicle. Driven according to conditions they in fact will stop the vehicle.
There's a lot of owners out there driving in winter on these without totalling, dying, or endangering others, me being one.
heightsgtltd
12-09-2006, 07:58 AM
By all means, keep doing what you are doing ;)
I much prefer the confidence that the contiextremes impart in ALL driving conditions.
PhilT
12-09-2006, 08:11 AM
By all means, keep doing what you are doing ;)
I much prefer the confidence that the contiextremes impart in ALL driving conditions.
If you crash with Contis, will you blame those ?
:icon_wink
heightsgtltd
12-09-2006, 08:18 AM
^^^impossible :lol: They are crash-proof
ebpda9
12-09-2006, 10:11 AM
the re92's are downright dangerous. i spun at under 10 mph, just as i was leaving from a stop light, making a left hand turn in the snow.
heightsgtltd
12-09-2006, 10:13 AM
^^^ no no ask Dr.Phil, I mean PhilT, it has to be your fault. The tires are never to blame. You cant blame computers, only the person who uses them! :lol: :lol:
jagcars26
12-09-2006, 10:33 AM
The 92's are baby killers I tell ya !
Yah, I have spun my car at 10 mph with RE92 when the road was wet and I hit the gas way to hard. :rolleyes:
I say it again, taking my stick and beating the horse, everyone just has to learn to not over drive these shitty tires.
Back to lurking....
:hide:
ih8vtec13
12-09-2006, 11:23 AM
Yes they are a shitty tire but they are not even remotely close to as bad as they are made out to be. I survived a fall, winter, spring, summer and another fall on them with no major issuses, how you ask, I didn't over drive them. There are great summer and winter tires out there, but no winter tire will let you drive in snow like a summer on dry.
No tire is perfect in bad weather, there are just some that do it better then others. Watch a rally event, do they drive on snow and mud at high speeds? Yes. Do they grip the turn all the way through? No, they slide all over. They are all skill and lack of fear. Not saying you should drive like that, just making a point.
mwiener2
12-09-2006, 11:55 AM
RE92's kill bunnies
ebpda9
12-09-2006, 03:22 PM
Yah, I have spun my car at 10 mph with RE92 when the road was wet and I hit the gas way to hard. :rolleyes:
I say it again, taking my stick and beating the horse, everyone just has to learn to not over drive these shitty tires.
Back to lurking....
:hide:
well after i changed the re92's i haven't heard my abs going off, maybe once or twice.
TDC Tuning
12-09-2006, 03:31 PM
How the ____ do you spin an awd car @ 10 mph?
seriously....
i had 340 ft lbs from 2800-4300 rpm and i could NOT get the ass end to come very far around even when i was trying in the rain.
Either you guys cant drive or your cars have that special 10/90 rwd split :rolleyes::lol:
Deer Killer
12-09-2006, 05:48 PM
eh? Stage 2 + re92 + rain = lol
throttle induced oversteer in 3rd gear...
People survived on bias-ply tires too.. It's a matter of perspective.
PhilT
12-09-2006, 07:18 PM
^^^ no no ask Dr.Phil, I mean PhilT, it has to be your fault. The tires are never to blame. You cant blame computers, only the person who uses them! :lol: :lol:
What more can I say, the old phrase "a bad workman blames his tools" comes to mind here. More like "a bad driver blames his tyres" :lol:
If Schumacher can drive in the rain, on slicks, with over 800 hp, then I'm sure it's not impossible to drive on RE 92's :icon_wink
Two winters ago, I drove between Toronto and Montreal every weekend for four months, through just about every condition you can imagine, and I didn't spin once, you just have to learn that the limit is much lower than with a dedicated winter tyre.
mwiener2
12-09-2006, 07:43 PM
How the ____ do you spin an awd car @ 10 mph?
seriously....
i had 340 ft lbs from 2800-4300 rpm and i could NOT get the ass end to come very far around even when i was trying in the rain.
Either you guys cant drive or your cars have that special 10/90 rwd split :rolleyes::lol:
i think he meant the wheels
Brady
12-09-2006, 08:16 PM
What more can I say, the old phrase "a bad workman blames his tools" comes to mind here. More like "a bad driver blames his tyres" :lol:
If Schumacher can drive in the rain, on slicks, with over 800 hp, then I'm sure it's not impossible to drive on RE 92's :icon_wink
Two winters ago, I drove between Toronto and Montreal every weekend for four months, through just about every condition you can imagine, and I didn't spin once, you just have to learn that the limit is much lower than with a dedicated winter tyre.
Phil ... that's crazy talk and you know it. The RE92's are slicker than a stick of butter on a hot skillet. I mean, seriously, I live in Minnesota and put 70,000 miles and 4 winters on RE92s and ... I curbed 2 wheels in deep snow once when driving like an ass-hat ... oh wait ... that wasn't on the RE92s .... ok ... well, I had an accident and broke a wheel and bent a control arm when I took a turn too fast in the rain (but amazingly the RE92 held bead and didn't bubble). So clearly you can see that they're a real danger to society! Please be conscientious of the varying experiences of members on this board when exalting the merits of the RE92.
Fat Charlie
12-09-2006, 09:04 PM
How the ____ do you spin an awd car @ 10 mph?
I can. After a year of having someone drive me around in a nearly dead humvee with over a thousand pounds of bolt-on armor, I took my brand new LGT out in the snow. At a stop sign entering a long, straight stretch of road (great visibility, nothing around, no cars on the road), I hit it to kick out the rear and get a feel for how the car lost and regained grip. The RE92s had enough grip to launch the car, turn it and take several overcorrections. It's the only time I've ever lost grip in a car without being able to recount exactly what happened.
If the tires really sucked, I wouldn't have gotten as far as I did that day. They'd have failed much sooner than they did. Face it- stock tires on a car that gets sold in a lot of places have to deal with a lot of conditions. These RE92s have to deal with enthusiasts from Florida to New Hampshire, from Canada to New Mexico. For what they are, they're good. I've handled some big snow and some really bad rainstorms and while some parts were exciting, I've always been able to keep from totally losing grip.
People with "I've got AWD-I'm invincible!" syndrome are only slightly better than people with "I've got an SUV-I'm invincible!" syndrome, and then only because they aren't in SUVs. Just like speakers are the first step in a stereo upgrade, tires and suspension (in that order) are really the first performance mods that anyone should do. That's where the output really is. I don't care how many hp you can get at the crankshaft or the wheels. How many can you get to the pavement? If you've added horses without changing rubber, shame on you. If you haven't added horses, remember that skidpad numbers represent an ideal of new tires, clean, flat pavement and no traffic. I haven't had new tires since I left the dealer. Real pavement has sand and other debris, real corners are never flat and real roads have cars, pedestrians and deer. You shouldn't be pushing that hard without getting better tires for your situation.
Tires don't kill people, people kill people!
rjundi
12-10-2006, 07:51 AM
Ok so stock tires "suck". This has been known for years.
I still think people need to learn the limits of their own driving skills first and understand the limits of the vehicle which includes tires before pushing it on ANY tire.
I guess RE92s make a nice excuse for our own shortcomings. I have them too btw.
How the ____ do you spin an awd car @ 10 mph?
seriously....
i had 340 ft lbs from 2800-4300 rpm and i could NOT get the ass end to come very far around even when i was trying in the rain.
Either you guys cant drive or your cars have that special 10/90 rwd split :rolleyes::lol:
You can spin a stock LGT with Blizzak LM25s on ice or snow at 10 MPH by flooring the throttle while turning the steering wheel in either direction. At 25 MPH, if you turn the wheel while applying the hand brake, you can execute a perfect 720 degree spin. Takes a little practice, but the look on snowmobile drivers' faces is worth it.
Fat Charlie
12-10-2006, 12:39 PM
Wow.
That's a great move. I was pretty good at playing in the snow with FWD, but still haven't gotten to play AWD games. I just don't have anywhere open enough to try things.
Effin Ponderous
12-10-2006, 12:43 PM
You gotta eat something else for breakfast..:lol:
dead horse...it isn't just for breakfast anymore. :lol:
Effin Ponderous
12-10-2006, 12:45 PM
Anyone else find that thump thump thump flat spot thing for the 1st quarter mile with the 92s in the cold?
Fat Charlie
12-10-2006, 12:51 PM
No, but it's not too surprising. I've got a garage and a gravel driveway, so I've probably got less of a temperature problem than others and the driveway shakes the tires loose faster than asphalt. I'd expect higher profile tires would take have less of a problem here.
700watts
12-10-2006, 01:11 PM
Yes.
I'm glad to read another thread on the demonic RE-92's. They are spawned from HELL obviously. How could they have been made? Is Bridgestone trying to kill us all with this brutal design?:rolleyes:
Should we start up a class action suit of some kind?:lol:
:whore:
TDC Tuning
12-10-2006, 03:01 PM
You can spin a stock LGT with Blizzak LM25s on ice or snow at 10 MPH by flooring the throttle while turning the steering wheel in either direction. At 25 MPH, if you turn the wheel while applying the hand brake, you can execute a perfect 720 degree spin. Takes a little practice, but the look on snowmobile drivers' faces is worth it.
yes ONPUROSE its easy
these guys are saying they are spinning a car in the rain @ 10 mph dude
I know how do drive a car in slick conditions
I live in northern newengland
i ice race
my lgt was sideways from dec-april last year (cause i wanted it to be)my issue is these guys claiming total loss of control @ 10 mph
rougeben83
12-10-2006, 04:16 PM
Hey, I'll take your RE-92's over the Kirkland (yes that's right COSTCO brand) tires I had on the taurus when I was learning how to drive.
Mmmmm 10" snowstorms on a non-ABS Taurus w/ tires made by a store that sells mayo in 5 gallon jugs :lol: :lol:
Legacy2.5R
12-10-2006, 10:40 PM
buy new tires if you dont like them, i drove on mine until the chords were showing, they were not the best, were not the worst. i got BFG g-force sports now for summer and Kelly Magnagrip for winter... i saw at the my local dealership awhile back the 06 legacys coming with Yokohamas intead of the Potenzas...did those get all the shit RE-92s get?
krzyss
12-11-2006, 10:08 AM
I think only 2.5i Legacies get 205/50R17 Yokohamas.
Krzys
700watts
12-11-2006, 02:42 PM
buy new tires if you dont like them, i drove on mine until the chords were showing, they were not the best, were not the worst. i got BFG g-force sports now for summer and Kelly Magnagrip for winter... i saw at the my local dealership awhile back the 06 legacys coming with Yokohamas intead of the Potenzas...did those get all the shit RE-92s get?
not to my knowledge
mwiener2
12-11-2006, 04:58 PM
there are a select few dealerships that recognize the RE92's as poop and change them out on their own dime
yes ONPUROSE its easy
these guys are saying they are spinning a car in the rain @ 10 mph dude
I know how do drive a car in slick conditions
I live in northern newengland
i ice race
my lgt was sideways from dec-april last year (cause i wanted it to be)my issue is these guys claiming total loss of control @ 10 mph
I agree with you 100% . This site is full of single car accident threads!:lol::lol::lol::lol:
there are a select few dealerships that recognize the RE92's as poop and change them out on their own dime
Please post the name and phone number of just one. I can't believe ANY dealer would spend $250 or more and not charge the customer. If there is a dealer actually doing this, the extra costs are reflected in either the:
1. Trade-in values
2. Final negotiated new car price
3. Finance costs (gotta love those points kick-backs)
Hey, I'll take your RE-92's over the Kirkland (yes that's right COSTCO brand) tires I had on the taurus when I was learning how to drive.
Mmmmm 10" snowstorms on a non-ABS Taurus w/ tires made by a store that sells mayo in 5 gallon jugs :lol: :lol:
Those Kirklands were probably made by Michelin.
mwiener2
12-12-2006, 10:51 AM
well, yeah, they charge you for it eventually
PhilT
12-12-2006, 12:12 PM
there are a select few dealerships that recognize the RE92's as poop and change them out on their own dime
well, yeah, they charge you for it eventually
:lol:
I'd still like to find out which dealer actually swaps out the tires on all their Legacys, whether the charge you or not!
I don't believe it! Name and phone number, please!:lol::lol:
sysfailur
12-15-2006, 03:32 AM
Heh I can't say I've had any issues with mine yet.. although I have slid on a sloped (to the right) turn to the left almost EVERY day on my way to school. It's at a stop light, and I am not going fast at all but I think the combination of acceleration, turning, and the negative slope causes it.
When I upgrade after Xmas to 18"ers I'll be switching probably to Kumho ECSTA ASXs.. I hear they're pretty noice.
Barklessdog
12-15-2006, 02:41 PM
With all the bad mouthing I was prepared for the worst in bad weather.
In hard rain I had no hydroplaning. With 6" of snow they did not loose traction and my ABS never went off.
So far mine have been fine, but I am not driving crazy with them either.
Barklessdog
12-15-2006, 02:42 PM
With all the bad mouthing I was prepared for the worst in bad weather.
In hard rain I had no hydroplaning. With 6" of snow they did not loose traction and my ABS never went off.
So far mine have been fine, but I am not driving crazy with them either.
SubiGT
12-15-2006, 06:48 PM
It was so important, he said it twice.......:)
rougeben83
12-16-2006, 09:12 AM
Eh, I think the RE92's got their bad rep from all the teens that bought WRX's when they first came out, and of course with their bloated egos and inflated sense of...Mcrae-ness...immediately went on NastySoCk to bitch about how their tires didn't save them from spinning into a tree after streetracing a civic in the rain...
JohnnyBoyShoots
12-16-2006, 11:01 PM
I think only 2.5i Legacies get 205/50R17 Yokohamas.
My '06 2.5i from Van Bortel Subaru has the Yokahamas. In fact I curbed one this summer, and my extended warranty replaced it at no cost to me. They gave me a great deal on my trade in (a problem-riddled '99 Passat), and they have an "everyone pays invoice" policy.
Van Bortel Subaru (http://www.vanbortelsubaru.com)
6327 Route 96, Victor, NY
Phone: 585-924-5230 or
1-800-724-8872
Andyjo
12-17-2006, 09:38 PM
I dunno about the 92's... but earlier today we spun a set of michillian snow tires on dry pavements in a stock OBXT..... so being able to sping RE92's... well... congrads :icon_wink