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meliaant
12-07-2006, 06:51 PM
Hey folks, new here - sorry if this is a redundant topic...In the market for the best possible all-season tire for my 2005 Legacy living up here in New England - much snow, ice, rain throughout the year...do a lot of highway driving, but also do quite a bit of snow driving (snowstorms, ski trips, etc.)...any suggestions? I currently have the OEM Bridgestone Potenza RE92s on right now...Thanks!
The only All Season with the Severe Duty snow rating is the Nokian WR.
godwhomismike
12-07-2006, 08:09 PM
I hear a lot of praise about those Nokian WR tires. My question is this - how will they hold up on hot summer days when your are traveling at highway speeds or on a curvy stretch of highway and it's hot as hell out. Wouldn't they tires wear down ultra fast?
team23jordan
12-07-2006, 08:14 PM
Pzero Nero M+S
or
Michelin pilot Allseason
or
Kumho Ecsta ASX
RE960 A/S? But maybe not for Mass.
godwhomismike
12-07-2006, 08:22 PM
As in all season - he means a tire that will be used in every situation - no swapping to winters or summers.
godwhomismike
12-07-2006, 08:24 PM
I think I am gonna really look into the Nokian WR for myself, since I am gonna get my Legacy new tires for Christmas.
only reason to buy WR's is if you will deal with snow on a regular basis. I have them on my MINI now for winter use. Overkill for normal DC winters, but out here by me, we get hit 4x as hard as DC for some reason.
my wife's car has Avon M550 A/S this year - she complained about the WR's being too 'light' when pushing the car hard, so we went with a more sporting choice. if the weather gets bad, we'll ride in my car with the WR's or just work from home.
WR's + AWD = teh win. I had a hard time slowing down on a slight downhill with snow last year on Toyo's, while Highwaydrifter never broke loose with WR's on his wagon right behind me. They work.
heightsgtltd
12-07-2006, 09:07 PM
Continental Contiextreme contacts
or
Pzero Nero M+S
or
Michelin pilot Allseason
or
Kumho Ecsta ASX
Fixed.
executor485
12-07-2006, 09:13 PM
Pzero Nero M+S
I have these on my car right now... They are GREAT... As for the snow, sure it doesnt snow in Texas... But the one occassion it DID snow (1 week ago), then it iced over, then it snowed more, then iced over hard... Yea... 2 days of it... we got almost 4 inches I think... lol. But I have to say, they held up VERY well, in the snow I had quite a bit of traction... The ice obviously was tricky since you cant get any traction on pure sheets of ice (unless you have studs, and even then its a little tough) but Im VERY impressed how well they held up. It was also a blast to be able to actually go out and have a bit of fun with the AWD :) But thats for another thread.
Definately a great tire though.
godwhomismike
12-07-2006, 09:31 PM
only reason to buy WR's is if you will deal with snow on a regular basis. I have them on my MINI now for winter use. Overkill for normal DC winters, but out here by me, we get hit 4x as hard as DC for some reason.
my wife's car has Avon M550 A/S this year - she complained about the WR's being too 'light' when pushing the car hard, so we went with a more sporting choice. if the weather gets bad, we'll ride in my car with the WR's or just work from home.
WR's + AWD = teh win. I had a hard time slowing down on a slight downhill with snow last year on Toyo's, while Highwaydrifter never broke loose with WR's on his wagon right behind me. They work.
I've read the WR's can be used year round. :iam:
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godwhomismike
12-07-2006, 09:49 PM
Question - how much do Nokian WR's go for in US dollars in 225/45/17 size?
meliaant
12-08-2006, 09:01 AM
Hey, after all of the suggestions & some diligent research by myself, I think I'm going to throw some Pirelli PZero Nero M&S on my '05 Legacy 2.5i...both TireRack and 1010Tires rate this tire pretty high, and your help with suggesting it was equally as important...like I said, I'm new here, and this was a great experience - thanks for your help!
I think I am gonna really look into the Nokian WR for myself, since I am gonna get my Legacy new tires for Christmas.
Didn't you just buy some Toyo Proxy 4s , you didn't lke them?
Scottybue
12-08-2006, 09:26 AM
P-Zero Nero M+S FTW! :icon_cool
tantal
12-08-2006, 09:33 AM
I think the best choice in this category is the Michelin Pilot exalto A/s - dont know about the winter traction, but this tire outperforms a lot of summer only performance tires both in the dry and in the wet.
Check it out at tirerack, look at the tirerack tests - not the consumer reviews.
If I had to get an a/s - this would be it.
Vimy101
12-08-2006, 10:00 AM
I'm very pleased with my ContiExtremes. Quite good in the dry, excellent in the wet and very good in the snow/ice I've so far encountered. The tread is fairly aggressive for an A/S (I'm actually using them as my winter set up) so if you don't see too much snow then a tire more suited to dry/wet conditions might be more appropriate. I say that because my gas mileage dropped off somewhat and I put that down to more rolling resistance due to squirm from the aggressive tread pattern (or it could be from crappy winter gas).
heightsgtltd
12-08-2006, 10:06 AM
Hey, after all of the suggestions & some diligent research by myself, I think I'm going to throw some Pirelli PZero Nero M&S on my '05 Legacy 2.5i...both TireRack and 1010Tires rate this tire pretty high, and your help with suggesting it was equally as important...like I said, I'm new here, and this was a great experience - thanks for your help!
Glad we could be of service :icon_bigg
Every tire is a compromise in some way, I am sure you made a good choice
(but you should have gotten the Contiextremes :lol:)
heybige
12-08-2006, 10:15 AM
Overkill for normal DC winters, but out here by me, we get hit 4x as hard as DC for some reason.
That's cause you folks are 4 hours away from DC! :icon_mrgr (J/K - I'm guessing anything 15-20 miles outside the city and you'll get an extra two inches or more. Every ten miles outside of that gets you another extra inch or two.)
Back to the topic of all-seasons, I'm looking forward to my first winter on ContiExtremes (but admitedly, at 18" I'm at a disadvantage vs. 17"). Off-snow, ContiExtremes are VERY comfortable, but you can feel the softer sidewalls on hard cornering.
Vimy101
12-08-2006, 10:21 AM
That's cause you folks are 4 hours away from DC! :icon_mrgr (J/K - I'm guessing anything 15-20 miles outside the city and you'll get an extra two inches or more. Every ten miles outside of that gets you another extra inch or two.)
Back to the topic of all-seasons, I'm looking forward to my first winter on ContiExtremes (but admitedly, at 18" I'm at a disadvantage vs. 17"). Off-snow, ContiExtremes are VERY comfortable, but you can feel the softer sidewalls on hard cornering.
I bumped the psi up in mine which helped the sidewall feel as I'm running 215/50/17 to approximately match the OEM Spec.B 215/45/18 circumference. I figure the extra sidewall will help during pothole season.
heightsgtltd
12-08-2006, 10:24 AM
I bumped the psi up in mine which helped the sidewall feel as I'm running 215/50/17 to approximately match the OEM Spec.B 215/45/18 circumference. I figure the extra sidewall will help during pothole season.
:whore:
I am running 39 37..you are good for even higher.
GTTuner
12-08-2006, 11:36 AM
Kumho ASX's.......better in every aspect than stock (for the price) except snow.
I have not had enough snow here to make a judgement.
godwhomismike
12-08-2006, 11:40 AM
Didn't you just buy some Toyo Proxy 4s , you didn't lke them?
I have a year and a half with them now. I was looking for something that would give me a smoother more comfortable ride. Plus, I loved the Toyo's when it is warmer out, but cold weather - I'm not sure about - maybe it's because they are a little worn now.
sebberry
12-08-2006, 11:45 AM
The problem with an all-season that is rated highly for Summer and rain use is that those qualities tend not to be what you want in a Winter tire.
Sure, the Goodyear Aquatread for example is a great tire in the rain, but it lacks properties that give a tire good traction in the snow.
Also, when taking advice from people who claim their all-season tires are good in the snow (Pzero nero M+S for example), make sure that they are at least on their second winter with them.
I had BFGoodrich Traction T/A's on my last Outback and commented repeatedly that they were excellent in the snow. Unfortunately, next year came around and their snow capabilities went downhill quite fast. I was playing around in an empty parking lot and they had almost no steering control - it would take forever for the car to respond to my steering and braking inputs, not safe at all. I was being passed on the highway by American FWD sedans because I couldn't go any faster.
If you look at the tread on a true Winter tire you see lots of little slits in the tread blocks known as sipes. These sipes give the tires a lot more biting surfaces which, when combined with agressively placed (and typically wedge shaped) tread blocks, gives the tire the ability to cut through standing snow and sluch. These wedge shaped patterns also help to deal with standing water very well too.
This year I have been running on Nokian WR's. I have put about 40,000Kms on them (they have a 100,000Km treadwear warranty) with some fairly agressive back-road twisty driving too. I have done a couple of long (2,000Km) roadtrips in the summer and have reached speeds of 190Km/hr in controlled conditions. Needless to say, I have scrubbed off roughly half of their tread and in an unexpected snowfall a couple of weeks ago here, I was quite happy with them.
Steering response was good. The back end never once swung out further than the front during a turn and when I did get it to do that in a parking lot, the car stayed well controlled and straightened up on command. When using engine braking (5MT downshift with a rev-match) they stopped on a dime. This is what you need when dealing with snow, not a high-performance all-season tire.
Just because a tire has excellent Summer grip doesn't mean that it will be good in slippery conditions. You are dealing with more than simply a lower friction environment and having excellent Summer grip doesn't compensate for that. The design of the tire needs to match what it is digging into (this case snow, slush...)
So, the WR is a all-weather, all-season tire with the severe snow rating. You have a 2.5i (if I recall your profile correctly) so you won't be doing too much agressive driving so the tires should last you a few years.
Keep in mind that if roads are closed to anyone but people with severe snow rated tires, the WR's will be the ticket to getting through, whereas an all-season M+S tire won't be.
Below is the Pzero Nero. Notice how the tread "blocks" run almost continuously around the tire with little spacing between? This greatly reduces their ability to cut through slush and snow, not a good property when making lane changes where there is sluch or pulling into and out of parking lots where there is lots of slush for example. They will tend to ride up over the slush before they cut through it.
http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/pirelli/pi_p_zero_nero_ms_ci2_l.jpg
Now, below is the Nokian WR. Notice the V shaped blocks? That gives it a much better ability to cut through snow and slush. You can also see the sipes in the tread blocks themselves.
http://www.kaltire.com/tsr/Nokian_WR.jpg
Now here is the Hakkapeliitta RSi:
http://www.kaltire.com/tsr/Nokian_RSi.jpg
You can see how in the outer tread blocks there are several ripples on the outer edge of the blocks in addition to the sipes in the blocks. This adds even more biting capabilities when steering and braking.
You can see how the WR's contain many of the elements which give a dedicated Winter tire its good Winter properties. You would not want to run the RSi all year as their softer compound will wear out much faster in the summer months.
sebberry
12-08-2006, 11:48 AM
I hear a lot of praise about those Nokian WR tires. My question is this - how will they hold up on hot summer days when your are traveling at highway speeds or on a curvy stretch of highway and it's hot as hell out. Wouldn't they tires wear down ultra fast?
Yes and no... a true Winter tire has a really soft compound that gives the tire good ice capabilities, but will wear quickly when used in the Summer.
The WR's gain their winter traction more from their tread design than their compound. As such, they are definately not the best Winter tire for glare ice, but will last a lot longer in the summer than a dedicated Winter tire.
jarrod
12-08-2006, 12:16 PM
Bridgestone Potenza G-009 have done well in the snow so far
godwhomismike
12-08-2006, 12:19 PM
sebberry - how would you rate them in terms of comfort? I'm looking to make my Legacy a bit more comfortable. It's a GT sedan - looking to keep the fast since that's the fun part, but also more comfortable than what the current set up is now.
meliaant
12-08-2006, 12:34 PM
Bridgestone Potenza G-009 have done well in the snow so far
I've been doing a lot of research on that tire, and am curious how much you've driven on it...Up here in MA, we get our fair share of snow, and we do a lot of ski trips, so by the looks of the tread pattern, it looks like it would be a great improvement over the RE92...any info would be greatly appreciated!
meliaant
12-08-2006, 12:36 PM
Also, anyone here done any work with Town Fair Tire? I think they're found primarily in the northeast...Well, they push Toyo's on you like they're the only tire MADE...are they a good product? Worth $149/tire? Thanks!
heybige
12-08-2006, 12:57 PM
:whore:
I am running 39 37..you are good for even higher.
I'm actually at 42/40 cold. They still look flat :icon_mrgr
godwhomismike
12-08-2006, 12:58 PM
$149 a ties????? which Toyo??? if it's the Proxes 4 in 215/45/17 - the price sucks
motoracer
12-08-2006, 01:08 PM
+1P-Zero Nero M+S FTW! :icon_cool
Legasee
12-08-2006, 01:14 PM
I've heard the Nero's follow the grooves on the fwy...
sebberry
12-08-2006, 01:22 PM
sebberry - how would you rate them in terms of comfort? I'm looking to make my Legacy a bit more comfortable. It's a GT sedan - looking to keep the fast since that's the fun part, but also more comfortable than what the current set up is now.
They are pretty smooth. I don't know what you have right now so I can't compare. You would also have a shorter sidewall on the Legacy than I do with the Outback. I do also have the soft squishy Outback pogo sticks. Overall, I like them. I have never found them to be too harsh.
meliaant
12-08-2006, 01:22 PM
$149 a ties????? which Toyo??? if it's the Proxes 4 in 215/45/17 - the price sucks
Hey God...never expected to meet you in a Subaru thread, but they say you work in mysterious ways...anywho, yeah, $149/tire for the Proxes TPT and $139/tire for the Proxes 4...will they be good in MA? Still leaning towards the PZero Nero, but might opt for a more aggressive looking tire that can handle ski trips & unplowed roads, etc...
meliaant
12-08-2006, 01:25 PM
Also heard some good things about the Yokohama Avid H4/V4...it's funny, the more research I do and more feedback I get from people here, tirerack, and 1010tires, the more picky & critical I get...I guess I should just put on some good all-seasons and let the AWD do the work, but who knows...If I've been "satisfied" by the RE92s, then I'll be extremely happy with almost every alternative thats been mentioned (Yokos, PZero, Continental, etc.)
godwhomismike
12-08-2006, 01:32 PM
Proxes suck in the snow and I paid $118 each mounted and balanced
meliaant
12-08-2006, 01:39 PM
Good price compared to up here in MA, and thanks for the update on the snow driving...I don't need/want a dedicated snow tire, but dont want to buy an all-season thats not a true all-season, like the Proxes...thanks!
LawGT
12-08-2006, 01:56 PM
I vote for the 960 AS...htey are about $150 per tire, and thus far exelent in dry, wet and all kinds of snow.
meliaant
12-08-2006, 02:08 PM
Who makes those?
tantal
12-08-2006, 02:12 PM
Hey God...never expected to meet you in a Subaru thread, but they say you work in mysterious ways...anywho, yeah, $149/tire for the Proxes TPT and $139/tire for the Proxes 4...will they be good in MA? Still leaning towards the PZero Nero, but might opt for a more aggressive looking tire that can handle ski trips & unplowed roads, etc...
If you want any snow capability . . . none of the above. You are better off with contiextremecontacts.
Why dont you at least consider picking up a set of LGT rims and getting a winter tire or snow tire? You'll be much better off, especially next winter after your a/s tires have been heat cycled, they will suck in the bad winter weather.
Just a thought. NO way to get good winter perfromance and good summer performance out of the same tire. I doubt even the michelins I like will be very good in their second winter.
heightsgtltd
12-08-2006, 02:15 PM
If you want any snow capability . . . none of the above. You are better off with contiextremecontacts.
ding ding ding...I feel like I have heard there somewhere else in this thread.. hmm subliminal messaging perhaps? :lol:
I agree, either contis or the 960 A/S.
If you have a little more money to burn, the pilot exalto A/S would be the way to go.
IMHO, contis are the BEST allseason for the money.
geddyup
12-08-2006, 02:23 PM
re 92s
LawGT
12-08-2006, 02:50 PM
Who makes those?
Bridgestone. I seriously think they are the best AS tire...esp in the wet. (according to my experience, Road anf Track tests vs. other summer tires, TR reviews and tests, etc.) They are also amazing in the snow for an AS. Yes, they are more expensive than the contis or ASX, but I thikn they are worth it. THe conits are very good too...for the money. Definitely the best value. The 960 are the best though ;)
legacychick
12-08-2006, 03:34 PM
I asked my Subaru dealer about the Kuhmos, and he said they actually recommend the Hancook AS. Does anyone have an opinion of this tire?
Hey God...never expected to meet you in a Subaru thread, but they say you work in mysterious ways...anywho, yeah, $149/tire for the Proxes TPT and $139/tire for the Proxes 4...will they be good in MA? Still leaning towards the PZero Nero, but might opt for a more aggressive looking tire that can handle ski trips & unplowed roads, etc...
You keep mentioning snow. There's one passenger tire on the market with the severe duty snow rating - the Nokian WR. It'ss around $175 for 17", $150 for 16". Johns & Sons tires in Manchester NH has good prices. Great tire for New England, where we have snow.
They look like this [16" shown]:
http://www.geocities.com/theseventhfirst/nokianwr.jpg
jarrod
12-08-2006, 03:55 PM
I've been doing a lot of research on that tire, and am curious how much you've driven on it...Up here in MA, we get our fair share of snow, and we do a lot of ski trips, so by the looks of the tread pattern, it looks like it would be a great improvement over the RE92...any info would be greatly appreciated!
I probably have less than 1000 miles on them. Honestly can't complain on them, but I've only had them in light snow/ice so far and they've done well.
sebberry
12-08-2006, 04:40 PM
Good price compared to up here in MA, and thanks for the update on the snow driving...I don't need/want a dedicated snow tire, but dont want to buy an all-season thats not a true all-season, like the Proxes...thanks!
What's your definition ot a true all-season? The WR is technically an all-season. True all-seasons (without the severe snow rating) will suck in the snow especially after the first season.
Hanger
12-08-2006, 04:42 PM
what to get for our Socal weather?
sebberry
12-08-2006, 04:44 PM
You keep mentioning snow. There's one passenger tire on the market with the severe duty snow rating - the Nokian WR. It'ss around $175 for 17", $150 for 16". Johns & Sons tires in Manchester NH has good prices. Great tire for New England, where we have snow.
:confused: After my detailed post, he still wants to look at the Proxes...
To each his own... I can understand how one man's "unacceptable" is another man's "good enough", but I can't understand how one would want to run a tire designed primarily for all conditions BUT snow IN the snow...
:confused: After my detailed post, he still wants to look at the Proxes...
To each his own... I can understand how one man's "unacceptable" is another man's "good enough", but I can't understand how one would want to run a tire designed primarily for all conditions BUT snow IN the snow...
My calculus is that if the roads are dry, it doesn't take much of a car and tire to go fast. But great tires can make a BIG difference in snow, ice and rain.
If someone buys a 2.5l Subaru in New England, it's usually to get around in bad weather. So optimizing the tire choice for good weather is not consistent reasoning.....
Here's the CR High Performance All Season test. To put the results in perspective, the middle of the pack (for snow and ice) Michelin Energy MXV4+ is the OEM tire on Honda Accords - and roundly criticized on Honda forums for snow and ice traction!
Next is the CR "high Performance Snow" test. Middle of the pack is the All Season Nokian WR....
tantal
12-08-2006, 05:12 PM
what to get for our Socal weather?
Summer only tires: I suggest the Bstone RE 050 (still on closeout at tirerack for $92 - never seen a better deal), contisportcontact 2 (or the new 3), dunlop sp sport max (cant vouch for this guy but supposed to be good), the Avon Tech M500 (also cheap but excellent at $104; not as good as the 050), or the Michelin pilot sport.
IF you want an A/s, I'd say there's only one choice, the Pilot Exalto A/S, since you wont see snow, no worries, and this tire out performs a lot of summer only tires in the dry and wet (but not afaik the above)
Let us know what you choose. I stronly reccomend the RE 050 - I run this tire on my GT on BBS RK's. Excellent grip in all < 40 F conditions. Smooth and quiet too. 225/45/17
meliaant
12-08-2006, 05:31 PM
:confused: After my detailed post, he still wants to look at the Proxes...
To each his own... I can understand how one man's "unacceptable" is another man's "good enough", but I can't understand how one would want to run a tire designed primarily for all conditions BUT snow IN the snow...
Negative, Ghostrider, the pattern is full....I'm not considering Proxes anymore, but now I don't know what to consider! I've heard the CR ratings are "iffy" at best (how can the assurance tripletread be #1 last year, and #16 this year?) Anywho, It's down to several candidates, and my mind changes hourly...but this is good to get different ideas from different people, I appreciate everyones responses :)
Lie495s14
12-08-2006, 05:41 PM
Continental Xtreme Contect is what i currently have and they perform very well in dry and wet. Havn't had chance to experience them in snow yet but from what i have read they are supose to be top ranked in AS. They have soft sidewalls so you don't get the crispy handling when cornering, i over inflate them to compensate that. The reason i bought it was because it was on sale, cheap, $86 per tire at tirerack.com.
ps: feels more stable in wet than dry. i know it's an illusion.
heightsgtltd
12-08-2006, 05:42 PM
Start with what your budget is, and then work from there
f1anatic
12-08-2006, 05:43 PM
Pzero Nero M+S
or
Michelin pilot Allseason
or
Kumho Ecsta ASX
Fixed. Quiet. Grippy. They deliver great wet weather performance and they passed with flying colours the snow test (6 inches) last Friday. I was doing 50ish thru slushy snow and it has great lateral grip in snow as well. At 80 bucks a pop (price matched at the local Pep Boys vs. Tire Rack) they are HARD to beat for the performance/price ratio.
tantal
12-08-2006, 05:50 PM
My calculus is that if the roads are dry, it doesn't take much of a car and tire to go fast. But great tires can make a BIG difference in snow, ice and rain.
(snip).
I definately disagree with you there. Great tires, once driven on, teach you how bad most tires are. A great car, once cornered hard, shows you what POS's most cars are.
You will notice a difference even in the dry. No question about it.
To each his own.
tantal
12-08-2006, 05:52 PM
Bridgestone. I seriously think they are the best AS tire...esp in the wet. (according to my experience, Road anf Track tests vs. other summer tires, TR reviews and tests, etc.) They are also amazing in the snow for an AS. Yes, they are more expensive than the contis or ASX, but I thikn they are worth it. THe conits are very good too...for the money. Definitely the best value. The 960 are the best though ;)
Dont agree. But they havent been tested against the best - the pilot exalto, and the best of the rest - the Avon Tech M 550.
Talking about wet performance. But I do agree that few tires are going to beat the 960.
B'stone has come a long way with wet performance over the last 5 years - F1 experience is definately paying off, IMO.
IanKen
12-09-2006, 02:42 AM
Pzero Nero M+S
or
Michelin pilot Allseason
or
Kumho Ecsta ASX
The local tire joint went through three sets of Neros on my LGT. NONE of them would balance. Just piss-poor quality control there.
I went with the Michelins. They are great all-around daily driver tires and way way better than the re92 POS.
jingjing
12-09-2006, 09:47 AM
how bout the falken 512's?
REM87O
12-09-2006, 09:57 AM
^^Where we live there is nothing wrong with the 512's. They are better than some of the other, more expensive A/S I have owned.
f1anatic
12-09-2006, 10:10 AM
The local tire joint went through three sets of Neros on my LGT. NONE of them would balance. Just piss-poor quality control there.
I went with the Michelins. They are great all-around daily driver tires and way way better than the re92 POS.
In all honesty, I did ghave to rebalance my Kumhos twice.
LordJim
12-09-2006, 11:54 AM
(how can the assurance tripletread be #1 last year, and #16 this year?)
That's addressed in the latest issue of CR. I don't have it handy, but they mentioned something to do with a wider range of tires being tested this year. At least that's what I seem to recall.
It's been mentioned a few times already, but give the RE960 a serious look. With the exception of exactly one review on tirerack, I can't find anyone who dislikes these tires.
-
Jim
I definately disagree with you there. Great tires, once driven on, teach you how bad most tires are. A great car, once cornered hard, shows you what POS's most cars are.
You will notice a difference even in the dry. No question about it.
To each his own.
Completely not the point.
The point is that on dry roads, the average speed you can maintain is seldom limited by the car and tires - it's by speed limits or how fast the SUV in the passing lane is going.
But in bad weather, the right tires might allow you to reasonably sustain speeds that are 25+% higher than less suitable tires.
sebberry
12-09-2006, 09:47 PM
Completely not the point.
The point is that on dry roads, the average speed you can maintain is seldom limited by the car and tires - it's by speed limits or how fast the SUV in the passing lane is going.
But in bad weather, the right tires might allow you to reasonably sustain speeds that are 25+% higher than less suitable tires.
Or give you 25% more grip at the same speed as less suitable tires, further improving safety when caught off guard.
GTTuner
12-11-2006, 08:49 AM
Who ever mentioned Proxies 4's .............forget it. I had them on my Mitsubishi Dodge Stratus RT coupe. Absolutly useless in snow!
godwhomismike
12-11-2006, 09:37 AM
The Nokian WR XL 94V tires are available for Wednesday.
Each tire- $244
Mounting- FREE
Balancing- FREE
Scrap- FREE
Valves- FREE
Holy shit - are they crazy????
.
sebberry
12-13-2006, 12:05 PM
Holy shit - are they crazy????
.
Too much for ya?
Mine for the Outback were $280 CDN each, plus mounting, balancing, valve stems, taxes...
And of course only a year and a few days later I go and wreck one on a curb...
sebberry
12-13-2006, 12:08 PM
Holy shit - are they crazy????
.
I will say tho that after doing the driver training thing I did (really tight cone course, I just HAD to wreck it after this :( ) That they are VERY good tires in the wet. Awesome grip even when turning "V" shaped corners at almost full lock on the steering wheel. The back end didn't want to slip out once, however the factory tuned understeer did help me take out a few cones...
Yo Han
12-13-2006, 12:34 PM
Some stats on tirerack. Heard good things about Kumho's, so I got a new set of the ASX's on my LGT. We'll see how they do this winter, if they are good, you can't beat $88 a tire!
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=UHPAS
motoracer
12-14-2006, 08:28 AM
last season i ran WS 55 on the wrx (great tire in the snow, ok on dry pavment).
i just put on a set of LM 25 on the LGT (great on dry pavement havn't driven on snow yet).
i drive 2 1/2 hrs every other sunday up to VT to snowboard and the WS 55 was a little noisy on the dry pavement, but excellent on snow and ice.