View Full Version : 2007 IIHS Safety Awards - Legacy Honored again.
Meltdown07
11-21-2006, 07:22 AM
Subaru wins some US safety honors once again.
2007 Top Safety Pick Awards
Insurance Institute for Highway Safety
http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/11/20/2007_iihs_safest_cars/index.html
lgt-z
11-21-2006, 08:47 AM
Also, IIHS news release at:
http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr112106.html
Three of the 13 winning vehicles for 2007 are from Honda, including an Acura SUV. Three winners are Subarus.
Some manufacturers improved their vehicles specifically to earn TOP SAFETY PICK awards. Audi redesigned the seat/head restraints in the A4 and A6 to improve performance in the Institute’s rear test. Subaru accelerated plans to offer ESC on some versions of the Forester and Legacy. “But ESC isn’t on every version of these two Subarus. Initially it’s only on the sporty or pricier models. It’s disappointing that Subaru didn’t add ESC across the board,” (IIHS President Adrian) Lund says. The company plans to expand ESC availability later.
Recent Institute research found that ESC reduces the risk of serious crashes involving both SUVs and cars. The largest effect is in single-vehicle crashes, which were reduced 40 percent with the addition of ESC. Fatal single-vehicle crashes went down 56 percent, and fatal rollovers of cars and SUVs were reduced by about 80 percent.
wukindada
11-21-2006, 08:54 AM
Very nice......Ins rates need to take another dip;)
How much is ins. on a STI?
:lol::lol::lol:
whitetiger
11-21-2006, 09:15 AM
Its no surprise that subaru has a awsome saftey rating. after all, thats one of subarus main advertising points. Now if only they would make performance an advertising point as well.
SLegacy99
11-21-2006, 10:36 AM
Yeah this made the news on the CC TV we have going around campus. I was excited.
BOXRPWR
11-21-2006, 12:52 PM
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/3428/07iisafetyawardcw9.png (http://imageshack.us)
BOXRPWR
11-21-2006, 12:56 PM
look at some of these models that came up short.....very interesting!
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/8029/17shortvy0.png (http://imageshack.us)
whitetiger
11-21-2006, 01:10 PM
ha! toyota is sux0r with t3h crash test
outahere
11-21-2006, 03:37 PM
Which Legacy has ESC available on it? Does it require the auto transmission?
whitetiger
11-21-2006, 03:41 PM
spec b has it
NovaWolverine
11-21-2006, 10:05 PM
Yeah, it seemed like the rankings meant Legacy with the ESC, making a point to exclude those not offering it.
BOXRPWR
11-21-2006, 10:13 PM
Hey, it still speaks very well for Subaru. Most of those other vehicles on the list are big-arse "cross overs". Perhaps it will spur Subaru into making ESC standard on all Leggies by '08.
outahere
11-21-2006, 10:19 PM
I took a quick look at subaru.com and it seems that if you want ESC on the Legacy, you have to buy the GT limited, with auto trans and navi.
whitetiger
11-21-2006, 10:20 PM
spec b has it
iyalla
11-22-2006, 09:25 AM
They are going to have to make ESC standard if they want to continue being the golden boy of the IIHS ;) I think IIHS, with this new list, just served notice to car manufacturers that within the next 3 years they are going to make it into a requirement to win the top safety pick instead of just an option.
lucas569
11-22-2006, 09:45 AM
from what i hear they want to put ESC on all cars...
the local news was running this story last night with the tagline "13 safest cars - none made in America". :mad: That kind of ignorance and outright hatemongering pisses me off. What's an "American made car" anymore? The GM that's built in Mexico? Or, the Chrysler that's built in Detroit? Neither, technically speaking.
Vimy101
11-22-2006, 09:54 AM
I saw a news item on these ratings on CNN. They show a clip of an SUV making an emergency turn with and without ESC. Of course the ESC run is successful and the non-ESC results in a spin. What was glaring to me in the non-ESC example was that no effort at all was put into countersteering. If you have seen the clip, you'll notice that the front wheels remain straight as soon as the back end breaks loose which, of course, results in a spin. ESC is a good system no doubt about it but they shouldn't have purposely fudged the non-ESC example.
unclemat
11-22-2006, 09:59 AM
the local news was running this story last night with the tagline "13 safest cars - none made in America". :mad: That kind of ignorance and outright hatemongering pisses me off. What's an "American made car" anymore? The GM that's built in Mexico? Or, the Chrysler that's built in Detroit? Neither, technically speaking.
Yeah, that's stupid. But doesn't it seem that SOA does not want to advertise that Legacy/Outback is made in the US? Many import buyers (even this board members) believe imports are actually imported so they are "better".
In other words advertising that the cars are made here would put off an import buyer and would not attract the usual dimwitted patriotic buyer anyway. Such a buyer buys the domestic branded junk made abroad, thinking he/she supports American worker. :rolleyes:
And by the way, this "buy American" BS is truly stupid, especially with regard to cars. Without these patriotic buyers, big 3 would have to move their asses quicker and offer something competitive quality and feature wise.
unclemat
11-22-2006, 10:00 AM
I saw a news item on these ratings on CNN. They show a clip of an SUV making an emergency turn with and without ESC. Of course the ESC run is successful and the non-ESC results in a spin. What was glaring to me in the non-ESC example was that no effort at all was put into countersteering. If you have seen the clip, you'll notice that the front wheels remain straight as soon as the back end breaks loose which, of course, results in a spin. ESC is a good system no doubt about it but they shouldn't have purposely fudged the non-ESC example.
Do you believe in truth in advertising? :lol: :lol:
Vimy101
11-22-2006, 10:03 AM
Do you believe in truth in advertising? :lol: :lol:
:nono:
DukeTrout
11-22-2006, 10:56 AM
The mandate for ESC to win is crap. Well designed cars don't actually need ESC to avoid crashes. It's great in high-center-of-gravity SUVs, since it can help avoid a rollover, but are you going to tell me a Lotus needs to have ESC to avoid an accident??? Please. A Lotus might need some other safety features to meet the rest of the requirements, but handling is not one of them.
If they keep up with this crap, midsize sedans are going to weigh 6000 lbs by 2025. It's already crazy how heavy small cars have become.
Make cars safer for idiots to drive, and make them more dangerous to other drivers by adding 1000 lbs of safety equipment. How about some more rigorous driver education instead?
unclemat
11-22-2006, 11:02 AM
How about some more rigorous driver education instead?
:whore:
But it's politically incorrect... :rolleyes:
Hate that.
NovaWolverine
11-22-2006, 12:17 PM
I like the ESC. It's just a safety feature, you can turn it off if you want. I think it's great to have the option. You can't compare the Legacy, as a car, and Legacy drivers to that of an Elise. The Elise doesn't need that stuff at all. I agree, we need better driver education, but it's a good technology that's getting better and I have the option to turn it off if I don't want it on.
SLegacy99
11-22-2006, 01:03 PM
Now if the Impreza had ESC, the whole Subaru fleet would be Golden.
And my Legacy is American.
iyalla
11-22-2006, 03:17 PM
The mandate for ESC to win is crap. Well designed cars don't actually need ESC to avoid crashes. It's great in high-center-of-gravity SUVs, since it can help avoid a rollover, but are you going to tell me a Lotus needs to have ESC to avoid an accident??? Please. A Lotus might need some other safety features to meet the rest of the requirements, but handling is not one of them.
If they keep up with this crap, midsize sedans are going to weight 6000 lbs by 2025. It's already crazy how heavy small cars have become.
Make cars safer for idiots to drive, and make them more dangerous to other drivers by adding 1000 lbs of safety equipment. How about some more rigorous driver education instead?
If they keep up with this crap a nine year old will be able to drive a car down to the local Toys R Us in a snow storm lol :D
Our drivers ed sucks, thats why when my daughter is ready to drive in 15 years ;) i'll be doing the teaching in a stick shift car if they still exist :(
moviemadness
11-22-2006, 07:07 PM
american as in american brands i'm guessing what they meant.
does this mean that the 2005 lgt is not as safe as the 07 spec b?
what are the differences besides the esc?
american as in american brands i'm guessing what they meant.
which are what exactly? Acura is as 'American' as Dodge.
moviemadness
11-22-2006, 10:01 PM
acura is honda, and honda is a japanese company.
that's what I meant with company identities.
american as ford, dodge chrysler GM
Dodge and Chrysler are German companies, so I don't follow you as to why they are different than Acura.
sebberry
11-23-2006, 12:51 PM
"The Legacy is Subaru's midsized answer to the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord. Aside from its strong performance in the Insurance Institute's very demanding crash tests, the Legacy also offers all-wheel-drive. That's something you won't find in any Camry."
And we wonder why some people just don't see the performance aspect of Subarus
DukeTrout
11-24-2006, 12:23 AM
I like the ESC. It's just a safety feature, you can turn it off if you want. I think it's great to have the option. You can't compare the Legacy, as a car, and Legacy drivers to that of an Elise. The Elise doesn't need that stuff at all. I agree, we need better driver education, but it's a good technology that's getting better and I have the option to turn it off if I don't want it on.
In some vehicles you can't turn it off. In some vehicles, you can turn it off, and it only partly turns off. What really scares me about this movement is, someone will get it into their heads that ESC is right for everyone, all the time, and we will lose even the ability to turn it off.
Of course, by then I hope Cobb will have something nice for us to futz with the ESC programming, too...
AWD_Rules3830
11-28-2006, 11:56 AM
The mandate for ESC to win is crap. Well designed cars don't actually need ESC to avoid crashes. It's great in high-center-of-gravity SUVs, since it can help avoid a rollover, but are you going to tell me a Lotus needs to have ESC to avoid an accident??? Please. A Lotus might need some other safety features to meet the rest of the requirements, but handling is not one of them.
If they keep up with this crap, midsize sedans are going to weigh 6000 lbs by 2025. It's already crazy how heavy small cars have become.
Make cars safer for idiots to drive, and make them more dangerous to other drivers by adding 1000 lbs of safety equipment. How about some more rigorous driver education instead?
Perhaps it will spur Subaru into making ESC standard on all Leggies by '08.
For god sakes why? The Legacy sedan/wagon always get high marks for drivablity because it DOESN'T have a computer that wants to drive for you.
I have to agree with DukeTrout on this one, the ESC and particularly the IIHS have gotten way out of control and im tired of it. If they wanted to do some real good they would mandate more rigorous drivers ed. and not try to fix the problem by putting more computers in cars that do the driving for you. They would also say we need to get rid of SUV's for people who don't need that high ground clearance ... DUH!
On a side note does anyone else notice perhaps some side movtives to cars that make and don't make the list??
Ever notice there are no dedicated sports cars on this list? No ESC is not a good enough reason to take the impreza off that list.