Suby Drive to Sedona-Jerome April 1st!!!!

[Brooksy2.5I]

Not an April fools joke! http://images.nasioc.com/forums/images/smilies/banana.gif It's about time for another suby drive up to Sedona (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=952612&page=1&pp=25#). We can drive up and meet at the Basha's in Sedona like last year (there is a Subway there for the hungry http://images.nasioc.com/ubb-files/smilies/biggrin.gif ), then we trickle back down through Jerome(careful of cops there) and stop at Mingus Mountain for some pics at the rest stop. We will meet at 8:30am at Forced Air Technologies since it's right off of the I-17 and Cactus and the parking lot is big. Here is the google map: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=2818+...,0.026052&hl=en (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=2818+W.+Cactus+Road,+Phoenix+AZ&spn=0.017251,0.026052&hl=en)

From there at 9:00 am we will get on the I-17 north . Here are the directions from FAT to Basha's/Sedona in order: 1. Head east from W Cactus Rd - go 0.1 mi, 2. Turn left at N Black Canyon Fwy aka. I-17 - go 0.1 mi, 3. Take the I-17 N ramp to Flagstaff - go 88 mi, 4. Take the AZ-179 exit 298 to Sedona/Oak Creek Canyon - go 0.2 mi, 5. Turn left at AZ-179 - go 15 mi, 6. Turn left at AZ-89-ALT - go 1.9 mi, 7. Turn right at Coffee Pot Dr - go 0.1 mi

The weather should be perfect, and there are some nice twisties on the way back through Jerome to Mingus Mountain. As always, Let's be safe on this drive and no accidents or ticket's please!! There may be kids and pets on this drive http://images.nasioc.com/forums/images/smilies/cool.gif ! Here are some links from past drives that might have pic content in them. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=834613 (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=834613)
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=797551 (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=797551)
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=759262 (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=759262)



Here is the list of attendees so far:

1. Keyser Soze
2. Robert
3. VSB XT
4. boosted20
5. JasonF
6. treefrogaz
7. fieldy72233
8. doublej
9. intercoolerontop
10. LegacyGT05
11. Romanwrx03
12. Stu
13. Payback(most likely)
14. thinkledge
15. bobzoon
16. culmbn
17. AzRally
18. Cody06
19. The B
20. Wgnths(most likley)
21. sv-fxt
22. STi_Guy04(pending on axles)
23. KevinL
24. Yesitsdrew5310
25. fxtacy
26. bassboy
27. 05BluePearlGT
28. Jamesrt
29. 06wrx
30. szeny
31. FATgc8
32. pyrex
33. Marx92x
34. Evil WRX(prolly)
35. Red "'88T"
36. wrxkid85(prolly)
37. jsap(prolly going)
38. stiguy75
39. chump
40. Lazaride
41. BlackDestiny
42. STi Wamper
43. azimiut
44. evil's girl
45. v8eaterwrx
46. thetraut
47. elpete77
48. gormonk
49. ilovewrxs
50. mrduce17
51. ????

[rodan]

Why don't you go North through Wickenburg and Prescott then over Mingus, and return home via I17... much nicer drive up (though longer), and quicker return trip.

I may try to join in either way...

[Brooksy2.5I]

Why don't you go North through Wickenburg and Prescott then over Mingus, and return home via I17... much nicer drive up (though longer), and quicker return trip.

I may try to join in either way...

We picked the easiest way to keep the group together.

[Legacy05]

Hmmm I'll talk to my wife about, I see Virigil is signed up ...

[Brooksy2.5I]

Hmmm I'll talk to my wife about, I see Virigil is signed up ...

Aiden and I are going with Virgil. We are only taking his car, I don't want to drive.

[Legacy05]

Doh, I didn't know this was you Rachel!!!! :) HAHAH too funny ... I had asked on Nasioc if you and Aiden were going :)

[Brooksy2.5I]

Doh, I didn't know this was you Rachel!!!! :) HAHAH too funny ... I had asked on Nasioc if you and Aiden were going :)

:lol:....I hope you, Steph and Kaitlyn come.

[Legacy05]

Mark us down as tentative (I told Virgil that too) we might have a bbq to go to that day, if that falls through we are a go.

[rodan]

We picked the easiest way to keep the group together.

I would think this would be easier on secondary roads as compared to I17 weekend traffic. Besides the fact that 17 is boooring... ;)

[Brooksy2.5I]

Meh, too late now.:icon_cool Well, so far it looks to be a good turnout.

[05BluePearlGT]

hell yeah! My girl/kids may have to go. But thats cool. Ill talk to this guy with a Spec-B and see if he wants to go. Im sure hed love to, if he isnt working. #98/500 I believe. maybe 89, I think 98 though.

[Brooksy2.5I]

hell yeah! My girl/kids may have to go. But thats cool. Ill talk to this guy with a Spec-B and see if he wants to go. Im sure hed love to, if he isnt working. #98/500 I believe. maybe 89, I think 98 though.

Cool! My son and I are going w/my husband, so bring the family. There are going to be others w/babies/kids also. I'm not bringing the legacy just the forester on this trip. Hopefully your friend w/the Spec B will be able to make it. :)

[Brooksy2.5I]

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[05BluePearlGT]

Im gonna have some nice new upgrades. Well over 270 ft/lb 270whp Im hoping. Time for some new mods and DynoComp. I cant wait. Should all be done by next week. Im trying to get the downpipe here before next friday. I want it ASAP!!!!

[elpete77]

I'm in. Wife will be with me, she loves Sedona so I may have to stop at Tlaquepaque.

[Legacy05]

I think I am still in, the wife won't be though, due to a bbq with her friends. I probably won't be able to stay up there that long .. but at least I'll get to go :)

[elpete77]

Quick question, should I try to get an AP prior to, with no other mods on the car, or should I wait till I can do AP, UP, DP, etc., etc.?

[05BluePearlGT]

Quick question, should I try to get an AP prior to, with no other mods on the car, or should I wait till I can do AP, UP, DP, etc., etc.?

You can gain about 50 ft/lb and 35 hp with NO other mods.

I am getting tuned with ECUTeK by DynoComp next week. I am gonna install a DP though. They expected more than 50/35 stock though, so I should gain around 65-70ft/lb and 50hp or more. I am being conservative on what they were expecting. Its definately worth it. I am gonna check out how well they wune with the AP as opposed to ECUTeK, and go from there on what Im gonna go with.

Ill keep you informed. They can also set you up for a tune about 2 days after you call. And I am being charge 900 for a tune AND the ECUTeK software. its 225 or so for just a tune. They do a GREAT job, too.

Look at their upgrades they do. Legacy GT is down near the midpage or bottom

http://www.dynocomp.com/subaru.php?view=subaru

[05BluePearlGT]

Plus those numbers for the Legacy GT were in their words, "A very conservative tune. Its just when customers send their ECU and we reflash it. With an actual custom tune you are looking at much higher numbers on a stock car."

So with any other mods, raise the numbers even more. I am being tuned for my Crucial DP (with no cat), and my AEM intake. Ill post up my numbers, and if anybody wants to tag along, Ill let you guys know when the tune is gonna be after I call them in a few.

[elpete77]

I'd be interested, still a bit confused on the whole deal, reflash, warranty, blah blah. I know I want more power though.

[Legacy05]

I had an AP .. and sold it for my rims ... the AP comes with some nice vanilla maps, but I was a bit concerned that it was tuned specifically for my car. No one in AZ at the time did any protune for it. I do know and from what I have read, the service shops can not tell your car has been flashed. I am up front with my service dept so when I do decide to go the ECUTek route, I'll let them know.

[05BluePearlGT]

I had an AP .. and sold it for my rims ... the AP comes with some nice vanilla maps, but I was a bit concerned that it was tuned specifically for my car. No one in AZ at the time did any protune for it. I do know and from what I have read, the service shops can not tell your car has been flashed. I am up front with my service dept so when I do decide to go the ECUTek route, I'll let them know.

Do you go to Steven Jory Subaru? They are awesome people, and they are gonna be fine with me reflashing ECUTeK. Plus they cant tell unless they hook up the car to their OBD reader thing or whatnot.

I dont ever trust using somebody elses maps. I feel completely unsafe doing that. Every car is way different. My turbo civic took about 23 times the amount of fuel that other turbo civics same year, model, and kit took. I would ALWAYS get a custom tune, plus you get a LOT more power out of it.

[elpete77]

So the ECUtek is a permanent change to the ecu (permanent in that I couldn't go back to stock at home)? That price seems fairly reasonable, but if I don't have some of the other bits, is it even worth doing?

[Brooksy2.5I]

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[Legacy05]

So the ECUtek is a permanent change to the ecu (permanent in that I couldn't go back to stock at home)? That price seems fairly reasonable, but if I don't have some of the other bits, is it even worth doing?

That is correct .. the nice thing with the AP ... and Surge now has the Protune software, you can have differen maps loaded on the AP that you can load on your car. You can also revert it back to stock. They also have a fuel mileage map, valet map, etc.

With ECUTek I don't think you can have different maps.

[05BluePearlGT]

That is correct .. the nice thing with the AP ... and Surge now has the Protune software, you can have differen maps loaded on the AP that you can load on your car. You can also revert it back to stock. They also have a fuel mileage map, valet map, etc.

With ECUTek I don't think you can have different maps.

Correct. You cannot switch maps with the ECUTeK, nor can you switch to economy mode (cant switch maps, same thing).

After talking to Subaru today, they told me with the ECUTeK reflash, what will happen if I have an ECU recall. Basically if they have to do anything to my ECU for whatever reason, I will lose the settings for the tune. SO I will have to get it done again. I just hope there arent any recalls. Working good so far, lol.

DynoComp has not tuned many cars with the AP, and they feel they can do a much better job with the ECUTeK, which I why I am using that. Plus the techs at Subaru wont be able to tell you were tuned (other than driving the car or hooking up the ECU to their computer thing) since there is no little control unit. They alter your stock settings. So they can control every function of the ECU for a complete proper tune.

Also if you ever want to get the AP installed, you will have to get a new ECU. You cannot use the AP on top of the altered ECU with the ECUTeK reflash.

Hope this info helps. I am still going with ECUTeK, due to a better tune from DynoComp. I am highly confident in their work. Ill post my numbers tomorrow if I have time. At 9am is my tune.

[Legacy05]

Nice let us know! What mods do you have again? CAI and DP?

[05BluePearlGT]

yeah, catless shorty DP, and CAI. I will be running about 17psi as well. So thats where the big gain will come. Of course the DP will help too. Thats why Im expecting around 60-70ft/lb gain at least. That will be a very nice gain on my butt dyno. But of course Ill post the real numbers, lol.

They say when a customer sends them their ECU, they reflash it with a conservative tune, and the gain is approx 50 ft/lb, and 35hp. Thats not bad stock. So with the mods and a custom tune, they are telling me to expect a LOT more. Stock, they said to expect a lot more than that. So the DP and intake should do good. They say any intake that sits in the fender area where the airbox silencer is (any CAI is that way), than it is fine to run, and easy to tune for. They said SRI's are terrible. So Im glad I can keep the intake. It helped with spool up a lot, IMO. I can also step on the gas around corners and lose traction, where before, the car would lag on all corners for some reason (traction control?)

[rodan]

Dyno Comp will tune AP if you have Street Tuner. It pushes the cost up a little, but then you have datalogging capability, the ability to fiddle with the maps yourself, and switch maps (econo, valet, etc.) I have spoken with them at length about this, and it's the route I'm goiing. (I have AP stg II now, and have all the parts for an STI swap, if I can ever get the time to install them...)

[05BluePearlGT]

i am very happy with my tune. It accelerates much smoother than before. I understand what people were saying about Subaru should have made the car this way stock. I am at 18-19psi, and gained about 60 ft/lb, and 25 whp. Pretty decent. It also holds boost to redline now. The power curve is so much better though, and thats the greatest difference.

I cant find my stupid camera usb to post my dyno sheets. Ill find it tonight hopefully. Ive been looking around.

[elpete77]

Lucky!

[05BluePearlGT]

I let my girl drive my car last night. We were heading up north on Cave Creek, north of the 101 in the desert. I told her to step on it all the way. She did like the third time I told her. She grabbed the wheels so hard, squinted her eyes, had the freakiest face on her, and said repeatedly, "Tell me when to stop, tell me whe to stop!" It was hilarious. It was the best boost Ive felt since the tune. With 5 people in the car, it is sooooooo much faster than just me in it before. Its nice! Im so happy.

Ill at least bring my dyno sheets on the cruise if I cant post them up. Since people will call me a noob and a liar! j/p lol. Thats how the civic websites are. Nobody believes anybodys dyno's. haha.

[Legacy05]

I rememeber when I went to dyno with my AP ... and my car was pingin like a mother ... and we had to stop :) I don't blame the AP though, I had a bad fuel injector :) heh.

[05BluePearlGT]

You are Les's friend, correct? I remember him telling me about your injectors being clogged. That really sucks. About how many miles were on them when this happened? Im gonna buy a knock sensor soon anyways, after him telling me that... Did you get aftermarket injectors, or just have Subaru fix em under warranty??

[Brooksy2.5I]

Hey guys VSB XT and I did the subi drive backwards yesterday in my leg...It was so beautiful!!!! Next weekend is supposed to be just a nice. We are in for a beautiful drive next week!! Can't wait! :) I sure do hope his XT is back from FAT in time for the drive!

[Legacy05]

You are Les's friend, correct? I remember him telling me about your injectors being clogged. That really sucks. About how many miles were on them when this happened? Im gonna buy a knock sensor soon anyways, after him telling me that... Did you get aftermarket injectors, or just have Subaru fix em under warranty??

Yup Lester is my boy, I'd say I had under 10k miles. I don't think they were clogged, they just failed internally, Subaru fixed them under warranty. I had it happen twice!!!

[Legacy05]

Hey guys VSB XT and I did the subi drive backwards yesterday in my leg...It was so beautiful!!!! Next weekend is supposed to be just a nice. We are in for a beautiful drive next week!! Can't wait! :) I sure do hope his XT is back from FAT in time for the drive!

Nice, the wifey and I found out the bbq doesn't start till 4, so she might be joining me :) We'll have to take some group photo's and some baby pictures!

[Brooksy2.5I]

Nice, the wifey and I found out the bbq doesn't start till 4, so she might be joining me :) We'll have to take some group photo's and some baby pictures!

That would be awsome!:)

[rodan]

I'm guessing you'll be in Sedona ~ 1030-1045??

If nothing comes up, I'll try to join everyone there...

[Brooksy2.5I]

I'm guessing you'll be in Sedona ~ 1030-1045??

If nothing comes up, I'll try to join everyone there...

Probably around 10:45.

[05BluePearlGT]

I cant wait. My girl and kids are down to go. If she is gonna be an hour late getting ready though, like every other cruise, she may not go.

[Brooksy2.5I]

I cant wait. My girl and kids are down to go. If she is gonna be an hour late getting ready though, like every other cruise, she may not go.

Hope they all come! My son and I are riding with my hubby. :)

[Legacy05]

Hope they all come! My son and I are riding with my hubby. :)

It'll be nice to see the Legy, but if the FXT is fixed by then, I know Virgil will be happy. I will be stopping by FAT tomorrow at lunch to get some work done :) heh.

[Brooksy2.5I]

It'll be nice to see the Legy, but if the FXT is fixed by then, I know Virgil will be happy. I will be stopping by FAT tomorrow at lunch to get some work done :) heh.

You'll like Robert, he does great work. I think Virgil is just waiting for the clutch to come in, but I'm not sure you'd have to ask him.

[Legacy05]

Yeah I had the chance to talk to him a few times, I am sure after the puny work he'll be doing he will try to talk me in to buying something more for the car :) heh.

[culmbn]

I would love to joing you guys but I just got word that I will be working on saturday all day and sunday I have Drivers school. I actually have to make it to this one or it's on my record. I have 6 failed attempts to take this class.

[Legacy05]

Ikes ... what car are you drivin? There will be more trips up north!

[Brooksy2.5I]

Yeah I had the chance to talk to him a few times, I am sure after the puny work he'll be doing he will try to talk me in to buying something more for the car :) heh.

So I heard you went today, how'd things go...

[Legacy05]

It went well :) braces are on, he mentioned that the suspension is the same setup as the Baja and now knows there are some options for it :) Car seems a bit stiffer in the rear now going around corners .. swwweeeeet. Now I need to convince the wife to let me have him delete my TGV's.

[Brooksy2.5I]

It went well :) braces are on, he mentioned that the suspension is the same setup as the Baja and now knows there are some options for it :) Car seems a bit stiffer in the rear now going around corners .. swwweeeeet. Now I need to convince the wife to let me have him delete my TGV's.

Good luck with that one!

[05BluePearlGT]

TGV's?? Sorry, I dont know a lot of the translations??

[culmbn]

Ikes ... what car are you drivin? There will be more trips up north!

at the time it was a toyota camry,I just bought an 03 outback wagon beggining of the month. My wife is driving the 02 OBS.:iam: Should be the other way around.

[Legacy05]

TGV's?? Sorry, I dont know a lot of the translations??

Do a search for TGV Delete ... you can also check on Nasioc for that as well. My understanding, is if you do this mod, you can free up to 5-10 hp.

[Brooksy2.5I]

TGV's?? Sorry, I dont know a lot of the translations??

It means Tumble Generator Valve...they are like butterfly type of flaps that are inside the intake manifold and all they are for are emission standards. :) My hubby had it done on his XT.

[Brooksy2.5I]

:icon_mad: :icon_mad: :icon_mad: :icon_mad: NOOOOO!! The XT won't be ready until next week. We will be in my leg. Not as much fun :icon_mad:

[rodan]

Looks like its going to rain...

[Legacy05]

Bah it won't ... are you going to make an appearance Rodan?

[Legacy05]

:icon_mad: :icon_mad: :icon_mad: :icon_mad: NOOOOO!! The XT won't be ready until next week. We will be in my leg. Not as much fun :icon_mad:

Sorry to hear it .. but hey, at least you are going!

[rodan]

I'm still planning on meeting y'all in Sedona...

[culmbn]

i'm planning to get to FAT in the morning to meet you guys before the group leaves, I just can't join in.....DAMN IT!!

[Legacy05]

Well it will be nice to meet you at least :) This sounds like it will be even bigger than the last drive up to Sedona ... and there will be other legy's besides me :) weee ... Ecept I won't be having fun driving down mingus this time around, I had people following me and they had a blast :) baby on board this time around. Its too bad, car is on springs, cusco rear sb and rear underbrace with better tires this time around. I am sure the car would have performed better :)

[culmbn]

damn sounds like a great set up to cut thru the twisties on the drive.
Do you know if there is going to be any guys from FAT there? I wanted to get some info on what they can do with my car to make it perform a little better.

[Brooksy2.5I]

damn sounds like a great set up to cut thru the twisties on the drive.
Do you know if there is going to be any guys from FAT there? I wanted to get some info on what they can do with my car to make it perform a little better.

Robert with FAT may be there, he may also go on the drive.

[elpete77]

T minus 13 hours and counting! No AP for the drive, I'll probably get it as soon as I get back from the drive tomorrow.

[05BluePearlGT]

Cant wait, hopefully my girl is on time. She said she has to pick up drycleaning and go to the bank. Every time there is a cruise, she has all these little crappy things to do. She has so many nice pieces of clothes on the closet, but of course she cant wear any of that. I WILL be there though, so if she doesnt make it, oh well. Than no kids and faster twisties.

[weekendracer]

Doh, I went up there today (3/31).

[Brooksy2.5I]

Sorry to hear it .. but hey, at least you are going!

OK so Robert is the best! The XT is back and we are bringing it. Loooong story...

[Brooksy2.5I]

Cant wait, hopefully my girl is on time. She said she has to pick up drycleaning and go to the bank. Every time there is a cruise, she has all these little crappy things to do. She has so many nice pieces of clothes on the closet, but of course she cant wear any of that. I WILL be there though, so if she doesnt make it, oh well. Than no kids and faster twisties.

No need to dress up just wear comfy clothes

[rodan]

Had a good time! Nice meeting y'all.

For those who took pics: post 'em up!

[Inigo Montoya]

I will get mine up, but we may want to start a new thread for pics only

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[Legacy05]

I'll get what I have up too ... it was nice meeting everyone!

[elpete77]

My bro and I had a good time too, good to put faces to names to screen names. Can't wait to see the pics.

Some good pics on NASIOC

[05BluePearlGT]

No need to dress up just wear comfy clothes

Thats what I say, but not her! She has to wear 100+ dollar pants everyday, and never wear the same outfit more than once or twice...sometimes. She is crazy with her clothes. But yeah, I had my 2 friends go.

It was a great time, I just wish I went to Wickenburg, and not back on the 17. I turned left, instead of right. Oh well. i still had a blast. Tons of nice cars. Way more fun than the civic cruises ive been on, lol.

[culmbn]

Oh wow!!!!
Still no pics of the cruz! or are they in the gallery some where?

[elpete77]

go to nasioc, they've got lots.