Rumors : Spec-B 6MT , XM radio and other tidbits

[SWP-LegacyGT]

Taken over from NASIOC:

Rumors from talking to my regional rep @ the dealership (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=926698#) today:

1. The 2007 Spec-B will have a 6MT (finally!), and a blue/black interior similar to the STI's, but in leather. No word on HP increase, and still limited production. No word on Xenons.

2. 800 Limited STIs will be produced for 2007, this is an STI with the Limited (WRX) package--so leather & sunroof (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=926698#), and WRX-style (low) tail. (The UK should be already getting this package this year).

3. 2007 Foresters & Imprezas (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=926698#) will be Sirius Radio pre-wired, Leg/OB/B9 will get XM pre-wire.

4. All 2007s will get MP3 input jacks for the stock radios.

5. 2007 B9s will get an optional mesh front grille (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=926698#) (not sure that's the cure it needs).

6. 2006 MY production will cease in March, and new MY 2007s will begin to debut in July (though new Spec-B and STI-Limited won't be until Fall sometime).

[IwannaSportSedan]

OK..... As Per Legacy news:

Could care less about XM pre-wire... Digital broadcast radio would be nice, though. I am not a fan of paying for radio, and I'll listen to my own purchased music if I have to pay for what i listen to.
I do wonder why the lineup is divided, some XM, some Sirius... I wonder how easy to convert.... but that spills into next point...

MP3 input jack. About DAMNED TIME. Good news, Good news! (as Roscoe P Coltrane would say...) Finally I won't have to hack the radio to play my iPod. Hopefully the jack is in the center console, not on the face of the stereo. (not a big fan of cable clutter in the car... but I'll take what I can get.)

Spec B: Black on blue leather is interesting, but ultimately unimportant, unless it portends one thing: World Rally Blue paint. I will be waiting for that, if need be. although that might be pushing my purchase back to about this time next year, as they go down to invoice price... Not MSRP, especially if the Spec B cars hit dealers in September again. Prices won't be dropping as easily or as quickly as the regular GT Limited...

Six-speed Manual transmission... I assume it will be keeping the bilstein and aluminum suspension. That also might be worth waiting and paying a bit more for.

A WR Blue / Black-Blue interior (like WR Limited... Noice!) car with a 6MT and 2.5 Turbo engine, and a place to plug in my iPod. That sounds great. Hopefully NAV will be only optional, and the car priced accordingly, seeing current sales of the Spec B flagging.

I want to know more about price, availability (limited number, or regular trim line/option?) color choices, and moreso about any bodywork changes. All the above is nearly moot if the car is butt-uglified.

Rest of the line:
STI Limited... Sounds interesting. Probably some takers just on the lower spoiler... Black-Blue leather (hopefully wider seats...) and moonroof would be nice for real world driving, too. (I wonder if it will have a less frenetic final drive ratio, too?)

Tribeca needs more than a mesh grille, although minimizing it can't hurt... It needs more fundamental styling help on that front end, though.

Teaser:
http://www.subaru.co.jp/legacy/wrlimited/interior/02/imgs/top.jpg

[NatesGr8]

i'll beleve all that when i see it. but if i do see it, i'll be buying it :icon_bigg

[Bicster]

I want.

[jj808]

Really? I hope this news about the 07 really happens. I might just save my money for mods, pay off the 05 and trade in on the 07 Spec B. I would love to have the Rally blue w/ black interior and a 6mt.

[heightsgtltd]

what would the purpose be of prewiring different sat radio companies products over different model lines? Why would the forester get anything different from the legacy in this respect?

Makes some of the rest a little hard to believe.

Opie, you out there? Care to weigh in? :lol:

[ChruiSSer]

I'm curious to see what actually happens with this! A "rep" said last march that we would be seeing a STi Forester as a MY2007. now no word of it?

They're going to go through all the trouble to put a 6spd in the limited production spec B? That doesn't make too much sense? They might as well throw the STi motor in it and have a limited production Legacy STi...

The other thing that doesn't make sense if the XM Sirius thing. Why wouldn't then just wire everything Sirius? Realizing that Foresters and Impreza's are "imported" and Legacy's and Tribeca's are "domestic", but why wouldn't they just use one provider throughout all the model lines? wtf? I guess we'll see what happens.

I would say that they need to get their heads on straight. It's obsurd that for 06, that foresters and legacy/ob's only come in the limited package when turbocharged. Why would they build several limited edition vehicles, so to speak, when they just reduced available models?

[rao]

If the best they can do are such minor changes they are in pretty deep water.

[executor485]

RUMOR FTW!!! Subaru doesnt care about the American public, what we want, or anything else :)
*Will still be waiting to see if its true*

[BDII]

I want my 6th gear, you guys can keep the rest of that stuff

[twisted]

-i doubt many care about the radio options....most want the mp3 jack
-blue interior < wrb exterior < wrb exterior + wrb interior
-just put the damn sti motor in and offer it with the 6MT and NAVI , wr gold rims and HID's , steering wheel controls and w/o those god damn potenza's and shut all of us up - once and for all....keep it under $32K LOL or none of us will buy it!
-AND DONT FORGET TO MAKE THE PAINT THICKER AND BETTER QUALITY
-THIS JUST COULD BE THE PERFECT CAR guys!!!

[SWP-LegacyGT]

I love how most you guys just want the 6th gear for gas econ mode. :lol:

[jazzymt]

RUMOR FTW!!! Subaru doesnt care about the American public, what we want, or anything else :)
*Will still be waiting to see if its true*+1 I'll believe it when I see it. It also begs the question - why didn't they do half of these "mods" from the get go in 2005!? It's not like most of them weren't "in demand" well before that.

[Mines]

the only thing that would make sense to put in the 6mt is to have either a 3.0 H6 or the STI motor..

[KINGSKY]

i don't really care about teh 6 speed, boosting up teh power n' having brembos would be better...


RANDi

[Jedi Pimp]

I'd give my left nut for a 6 speed and some brembos

[sebberry]

I hope the blue surface is in alcantara, and the seat offers a bit more adjustability

Good idea to have the audio input jack in the center console, or even perhaps in the cubby if no navi

Hmmm.. a 6 speed would be nice if it were a closer ratio and made for smoother shifts between 1st and 2nd gears

Unless there is a significant power boost with the 2.5, I want a turbo H6. I don't care if there is a 300hp 3.5NA, I want a turbo 6. Even with a 300hp 2.5, I would prefer an H6. Why? It's a classier car than the STi. The H6 is a classy engine.

A wagon is a must.

[petmor]

I love how most you guys just want the 6th gear for gas econ mode. :lol:
The six speed gearbox uses more fuel than the automatic, at least on our European versions. Alot more

[starlabs]

:munch:

[SWP-LegacyGT]

Let's assume they put the 6 speed in the 07 Leggie. Gear ratio's will probably be close to the STI (at that point) and I wouldn't be suprised if they release a 6 speed auto as well with the sport shift. Most likely only on the Legacy and Tribeca models (for the auto) but who knows. As far as using more fuel, I highy doubt that.

Depends more on the persons foot rather than the person's shifting ability.
The six speed gearbox uses more fuel than the automatic, at least on our European versions. Alot more

[The B4]

...I would prefer an H6. Why? It's a classier car than the STi. The H6 is a classy engine.


So a hypothetical 6speed H6 Outback would be a seriously classy wagon?

[slissner]

I'd be more than satisfied if SOA would offer what the Japanese, Australians, New Zealanders, Europeans, and others already can buy: the Legacy 3.0 R spec.B sedan or wagon with the five-speed automatic transmission, xenon headlights, and upgraded sound system. I'd like XM radio, integration for an iPod, heated rear seats, and amber rear turn signals, too. I'd happily trade in my 2006 spec.B for a 2007 3.0 R spec.B.

[Opie]

Taken over from NASIOC:

Rumors from talking to my regional rep @ the dealership (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=926698#) today:

1. The 2007 Spec-B will have a 6MT (finally!), and a blue/black interior similar to the STI's, but in leather. No word on HP increase, and still limited production. No word on Xenons.

2. 800 Limited STIs will be produced for 2007, this is an STI with the Limited (WRX) package--so leather & sunroof (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=926698#), and WRX-style (low) tail. (The UK should be already getting this package this year).

3. 2007 Foresters & Imprezas (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=926698#) will be Sirius Radio pre-wired, Leg/OB/B9 will get XM pre-wire.

4. All 2007s will get MP3 input jacks for the stock radios.

5. 2007 B9s will get an optional mesh front grille (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=926698#) (not sure that's the cure it needs).

6. 2006 MY production will cease in March, and new MY 2007s will begin to debut in July (though new Spec-B and STI-Limited won't be until Fall sometime).

Since someone else spilled it...

I'd confirm the rest but no-one has mentioned those tid bits to me yet....

[sebberry]

I'd be more than satisfied if SOA would offer what the Japanese, Australians, New Zealanders, Europeans, and others already can buy: the Legacy 3.0 R spec.B sedan or wagon with the five-speed automatic transmission, xenon headlights, and upgraded sound system. I'd like XM radio, integration for an iPod, heated rear seats, and amber rear turn signals, too. I'd happily trade in my 2006 spec.B for a 2007 3.0 R spec.B.

It better be available with a manual, an option to get rid of the HID's (for us in fog and snow country) and I would prefer cooled front seats over heated rear seats.

[AWDxBOOST]

im really doubtin the whole 6speed and sti with leather...i know the sti premium or whatever they call it is going over to uk and such, but its priced at over 45k U.S., no one will pay that over here.

[RacingFish]

i had a meeting with my rep this morning out here in az. and they said the same things....

[peterjmc]

Hmm... maybe I'll trade in for the '07 spec b.... :icon_twis

[IwannaSportSedan]

Let's assume they put the 6 speed in the 07 Leggie. Gear ratio's will probably be close to the STI (at that point) and I wouldn't be suprised if they release a 6 speed auto as well with the sport shift. Most likely only on the Legacy and Tribeca models (for the auto) but who knows. As far as using more fuel, I highy doubt that.

Depends more on the persons foot rather than the person's shifting ability.

does anybody know the final drive ratio for the 3.0R Spec B's 6MT?

I am betting it is lower than the WRX STI's ~4.3:1. I would hope that it would be closer to the LGT's ~4.1:1.

With a close-ratio set of gears down low, and a tall over-drive 6th, it could actually help gas mileage on the highway, even if it hurts economy a tad bit in the lower gears. (might do ok for accelleration, though, despite a 2-3 shift before 62mph, rather than after to help the 0-60mph/100kph stats.)

Geared well, it could be nice. geared poorly, and it could be more hassle than a 5MT. I guess we'll see.

[The B4]

im really doubtin the whole 6speed and sti with leather...i know the sti premium or whatever they call it is going over to uk and such, but its priced at over 45k U.S., no one will pay that over here.

no one said legacy sti. just a 6 speed spec B

[petmor]

Let's assume they put the 6 speed in the 07 Leggie. Gear ratio's will probably be close to the STI (at that point) and I wouldn't be suprised if they release a 6 speed auto as well with the sport shift. Most likely only on the Legacy and Tribeca models (for the auto) but who knows. As far as using more fuel, I highy doubt that.

Depends more on the persons foot rather than the person's shifting ability.

Our spec sheet from Subaru says different

Manual Automatic
City 14,0 13,9
Road 8,9 7,5
Mix 12,3 9,9

everything is liters per 100 km(60 miles)

[petmor]

does anybody know the final drive ratio for the 3.0R Spec B's 6MT?

I am betting it is lower than the WRX STI's ~4.3:1. I would hope that it would be closer to the LGT's ~4.1:1.

With a close-ratio set of gears down low, and a tall over-drive 6th, it could actually help gas mileage on the highway, even if it hurts economy a tad bit in the lower gears. (might do ok for accelleration, though, despite a 2-3 shift before 62mph, rather than after to help the 0-60mph/100kph stats.)

Geared well, it could be nice. geared poorly, and it could be more hassle than a 5MT. I guess we'll see.

Here you go.
1 st 3,636
2 nd 2,375
3 rd 1,761
4 th 1,346
5 th 0,971
6 th 0,756

[IwannaSportSedan]

Those are the gear ratios in the transmission... which could be helpful.

But it isn't the final drive ratio. The final drive ratio is the gearing in the front and rear differentials. and is the last reducer before the tires, and affects the "feel" and overal difference between engine speed and wheel speed in all 4, 5, 6 or however many gears the transmission has.

IIRC, the WRX STI has a final reduction of 4.3turns input to 1 turn output (4.3:1). Legacy GT's 5MT currently has 4.1:1, and IIRC, the 06 WRX 2.5T 5MT has something like 3.7:1, skipping 3.9:1 all together. (subaru final drives seem to vary by 2/10ths intervals... if what I read previously is accurate.

The gearing petmor posted for the 6MT's gear ratios, at the top end do look nice at first blush, with a nearly 1:1 5th gear (.971 to 1, ever so slightly overdriven) and a .75:1 tall overdrive 6th gear.

Our spec sheet from Subaru says different

Manual Automatic *Less fuel consumed is more efficient
City 14.0 Liters 13.9 Liters
Road 8.9 Liters 7.5 Liters
Mix 12.3 Liters 9.9 Liters

everything is liters (consumed?) per 100 km(60 miles)
Forgive the re-editing, but I take it that liters are liters of fuel used, not liters of fuel remaning from a set maximum capacity.

The weird thing is the mileage figure table petmor posted. City was nearly identical, but highway was much different, but the Manual always claimed lower mileage... More liters of fuel consumed per hundred kilometers. That is odd, since Manual transmissions are always more fuel and power efficient, and a taller overdrive gear should SAVE gasoline on highway mileage... Those numbers require more explanation.

They don't seem to fit real-world experience... Unless the 3.0R 6MT has a really high final drive ratio, like the WRX STI, and significantly higher than the 5MT or 5EAT drivetrains... In which case the new emphasis on fuel economy will kill this option in the US before it starts.

With the final drive ratio, gear ratios, and accurate tire diameter, and at maximum engine RPMs, then maximum ground speeds per gear can be calculated, Including theoretical top speed (aside from wind resistance, and mechanical disadvantage with the overdriven 6th gear would have to be factored.) which will give slightly more insight into the behavior of the 6MT for the future Spec B.

That fuel mileage stuff is odd, though. Please feel free to explain.

[petmor]

Those are the gear ratios in the transmission... which could be helpful.

But it isn't the final drive ratio. The final drive ratio is the gearing in the front and rear differentials. and is the last reducer before the tires, and affects the "feel" and overal difference between engine speed and wheel speed in all 4, 5, 6 or however many gears the transmission has.

IIRC, the WRX STI has a final reduction of 4.3turns input to 1 turn output (4.3:1). Legacy GT's 5MT currently has 4.1:1, and IIRC, the 06 WRX 2.5T 5MT has something like 3.7:1, skipping 3.9:1 all together. (subaru final drives seem to vary by 2/10ths intervals... if what I read previously is accurate.

The gearing petmor posted for the 6MT's gear ratios, at the top end do look nice at first blush, with a nearly 1:1 5th gear (.971 to 1, ever so slightly overdriven) and a .75:1 tall overdrive 6th gear.


Forgive the re-editing, but I take it that liters are liters of fuel used, not liters of fuel remaning from a set maximum capacity.

The weird thing is the mileage figure table petmor posted. City was nearly identical, but highway was much different, but the Manual always claimed lower mileage... More liters of fuel consumed per hundred kilometers. That is odd, since Manual transmissions are always more fuel and power efficient, and a taller overdrive gear should SAVE gasoline on highway mileage... Those numbers require more explanation.

They don't seem to fit real-world experience... Unless the 3.0R 6MT has a really high final drive ratio, like the WRX STI, and significantly higher than the 5MT or 5EAT drivetrains... In which case the new emphasis on fuel economy will kill this option in the US before it starts.

With the final drive ratio, gear ratios, and accurate tire diameter, and at maximum engine RPMs, then maximum ground speeds per gear can be calculated, Including theoretical top speed (aside from wind resistance, and mechanical disadvantage with the overdriven 6th gear would have to be factored.) which will give slightly more insight into the behavior of the 6MT for the future Spec B.

That fuel mileage stuff is odd, though. Please feel free to explain.

Could the final drive ratio be 3,900? It IS the same gearbox as the Impreza STI. Yes it's the amount of fuel consumed. I'll give you the link that I get the info from. If you need(ha ha) any translation ask away

http://www.subaru.se/legacyst_tek.shtml

Peter

[praedet]

WILL THERE BE A SPEC-B WAGON?

[petmor]

WILL THERE BE A SPEC-B WAGON?

Not for you my friend, only for me...;)

[kenzo]

Given the limited quantities, this is probably impractical, but it would be nice to have a choice between two different types of 'upgrades' to the Legacy GT.

Subaru could offer the following two models for about the same $35-36K sticker:

1. Legacy Spec.B - as currently rumored, this year's Spec.B with a blue/black scheme replacing the lipstick leather, and with a 6-speed

2. Legacy STi - 6MT, suspension/wheel/tire upgrades from the LGT, 300 hp

I'd be at my favorite dealer within 24 hours to place a deposit on choice #2.

[camber]

Don't mind the 5MT.....

Would like Auto UP windows(at least on the drivers side window), front LSD, helical type rear diff(instead of vlsd), better wheel & tire package and more power! ----> The next Camry is going to have 268 HP..

I'd figure at least 280HP and 280 lb/ft stock.


DCCD would be great too!

[melayout]

IIRC, the WRX STI has a final reduction of 4.3turns input to 1 turn output (4.3:1). Legacy GT's 5MT currently has 4.1:1, and IIRC, the 06 WRX 2.5T 5MT has something like 3.7:1, skipping 3.9:1 all together. (subaru final drives seem to vary by 2/10ths intervals... if what I read previously is accurate.

From media.subaru.com :

WRX STi = 3.9
WRX 5MT = 3.7 , 4EAT = 3.9
LGT 5MT = 4.1 , 5EAT = 3.27

[slissner]

My 2001 Audi A6 and my 2004 Audi allroad had HID (xenon) headlamps and gave excellent illumination in fog and in snow. All European cars with xenon headlamps by law must have self-levelling mechanisms. The lack of self-levelling on some Japanese cars is the problem.

[IwannaSportSedan]

Could the final drive ratio be 3,900? It IS the same gearbox as the Impreza STI. Yes it's the amount of fuel consumed. I'll give you the link that I get the info from. If you need(ha ha) any translation ask away

http://www.subaru.se/legacyst_tek.shtml

Peter

Actually, you gave me an idea, and I went to the corresponding 3.0R Spec B page at the Australian english page that you refer to in swedish. I am willing to bet the stats are identical.

You are correct. The Final Drive ratio is 3.9:1, and the gear ratios are identical to those you posted.

The Transmission is the same as the WRX STI, and at the same time, not identical. It does not have the manual control for the center differential (not DCCD, just Variable torque distribution, which equates to permanent "auto" setting on the DCCD...) and slightly different gear ratios, even though it does have the same final drive ratio, actually. The 3.0R Automatic has a much lower final drive, though.

Gear ratios
Liberty STI (Aus Special Model) Auto Trans Manual trans
Final gear ratio 3.900 4.111
Gear ratio 1st 3.540 3.166
Gear ratio 2nd 2.264 1.882
Gear ratio 3rd 1.471 1.296
Gear ratio 4th 1.000 0.972
Gear ratio 5th 0.971 0.738
Gear ratio Rev. 3.545 3.333

3.0R Spec B Automatic and Manual Gear ratios for comparison
Final gear ratio 3.272 3.900
Gear ratio 1st 3.540 3.635
Gear ratio 2nd 2.264 2.375
Gear ratio 3rd 1.471 1.761
Gear ratio 4th 1.000 1.346
Gear ratio 5th 0.834 0.971
Gear ratio 6th ------ 0.756
Gear ratio Rev. 2.370 3.545

WRX STI gear ratios: (australia, USA specs probably the same, not posted on subaru US website...)
Final gear ratio ------ 3.900
Gear ratio 1st ------ 3.636
Gear ratio 2nd ------ 2.235
Gear ratio 3rd ------ 1.521
Gear ratio 4th ------ 1.137
Gear ratio 5th ------ 0.891
Gear ratio 6th ------ 0.707
Gear ratio Rev. ------ 3.545

[melayout]

IWSS, look at media.subaru.com and the USDM STi ratios are different:

1st : 3.636
2nd : 2.375
3rd : 1.761
4th : 1.346
5th : 0.971
6th : 0.756

which are the same as the 3.0R SpecB .

[IwannaSportSedan]

Thanks for pointing that out. We may just get the USDM STI-spec trans, probably sans DCCD, for the 07 USDM Legacy 2.5 GT Spec B... Hopefully it will get the Helical center diff, as well as the active torque distribution that the 06 STI has over the 05.

Although including DCCD would be cool (full RWD for nice dry summer roads...) I wonder if it would be anywhere near simple to add it if it doesn't come OE installed on the LGT Spec B... Maybe a trans controller module swap, a console switch, and an LED indicator, if we're really lucky. (since if it doesn't come stock, the indicator won't be in the gauge face, like the WRX STI...)

I would think that VTD would have all the same yaw sensors and other accoutrements that DCCD would also use in Auto mode...

I agree that a torsen/quaife-style helical rear diff would be hella cool, too. (hell, front one thrown in while we're at it... like the S204.)

and if they are going to do the black/blue interior bit, and put a similar or the same transmission as the WRX STI, why not throw the VF39 turbo, and a new intercooler on there as well, red crinkle-coat the intake manifold and valve covers, and just tune it to a calmer ~290hp... (don't want to step on WRX STI toes, there... but just an ECU reflash, and a couple of STI badges away...)

... don't forget the brembo brakes, and WRB paint, and I think they'd have it, for about the same price as it's kindred, the new Limited version of the WRX STI... I'd stretch 32-34k for that. (without optional NAV) That is quantitatively different than the LGT Limited, and worth the price.

[Mono]

When did we first hear official news about the 2005 Legacy GT? I really don’t recall, however, I am assuming it was probably during the spring of 2004. If that was the case, then we should start hearing official news about the 2007 Legacy this spring and they should go out for sale by late summer. Does that make sense?

I am really hoping for some the changes discussed in this thread. Right now, the car just doesn’t have enough for me. I will gladly pay more for items like HID’s, 6 spd. 300 hp., revised brakes, etc. Like it was said before, just put the g-damn WRX STi drivetrain, engine, and brakes into the Legacy! I really don’t think it will hurt the sale of the WRX STi. The people that are shopping for the WRX are not going to cross shop the Legacy. And the opposite is true as well. I can afford the WRX STi right now, but I don’t want the huge rear wing, huge hood scoop, blue seats, and rally car appearance. Subaru isn’t getting my business at this time because the Legacy is missing key items, and the WRX STi doesn’t appeal to me.

[IwannaSportSedan]

If you can hold out... keep an eye here between now and May, and some of your wishes may come true. We will probably be getting a few leaks and tidbits, as the dealers get them from now until the cars arrive. Last year we got some pretty accurate leaks. Unfortunately the content of the leaks was bad news then (lack of interior color choice, canning the MT Wagon and non-limited GT trim...)

Hopefully this year it will all be good news, as this thread is shaping up to be, and is being somewhat authenticated.

Transmission is discussed here, Engine is easily tuneable to par or better with the STI engine (ecu re-flash, exhaust. New turbo would probably put it well over the top of stock STI).

Brembo brake calipers/discs are retrofittable from 04 STI (same wheel bolt pattern). I'd be happy even with the 06 WRX Subie brakes put on the 07 LGT/Spec B. (non brembo 4-piston front, 2 piston rear... Painted red on the WRX...)
I am hoping that the automotive press agreeing with us on the weakness of the LGT brakes will be a factor for Subaru putting something better on the 07.

But I am with you, wanting that stuff installed OE and under warranty. The Spec B suspension, by all accounts is a really good one.

The Transmission we are discussing here is likely going to be put in the Legacy GT Spec B for next year, with blue leather seat inserts, which you say you don't like. (somebody here would probably trade with you for all black, if you put the offer out there... so don't let that deter you too much.)

The LGT will probably come out about June, but Probably september for the Spec B, if it follows the same schedule as this year. I am hoping for earlier on the Spec B, too, though. I don't want to have to wait until next december to get an 07 Spec B below MSRP, @~ invoice.

HIDS have been rumored elsewhere for the upcoming car, and the wiring infrastructure is probably easily put in place. I hope that makes an appearance as an option, as well.

The mp3 player jack is a big plus for me to wait for, and I hope memory seats/mirrors make an appearance, too, but haven't heard anything yet on that.

The WRX STI comes to the US from the Japan factory, so FHI in Japan builds it and "tells" SOA they will sell it. SOA has a bit more control over the specification of the USDM Legacy, as it is built separately, here in Indiana. I think SOA needs to be the one that gets the clue that the Legacy GT needs that little extra 'umph' to be a really attractive sport sedan on the sales floor, and that it won't impact WRX sales nearly as much as it will take a bite out of Mazda 6, Acura TSX, Camry SE, Volvo S40/S60, and A4 2.0T

If they want more market share, we are giving them 'gems' here on how to go and get it.

The Legacy has enough for me, but I am not afraid to mod, nor am I afraid to wait a little longer. However, I do wish it had these improvements, to really make it a stellar deal.

[praedet]

I'd be happy even with the 06 WRX Subie brakes put on the 07 LGT/Spec B. (non brembo 4-piston front, 2 piston rear... Painted red on the WRX...)I hope they don't downgrade the Legacy's brakes by doing this! Please don't listen to him SOA! The 06 WRX brakes are SMALLER than the Legacy GTs. They have 4 pistons on a fixed design, a maller rotor, and they are red...

Ted

[melayout]

I hope they don't downgrade the Legacy's brakes by doing this! Please don't listen to him SOA! The 06 WRX brakes are SMALLER than the Legacy GTs. They have 4 pistons on a fixed design, a maller rotor, and they are red...

Ted

+1, keep the current calipers just put better pads.

[IwannaSportSedan]

I didn't remember that the WRX rotors are smaller, and certainly don't want to go down in disc size. Sorry if I gave that impression.

Mostly I was talking about 4 piston calipers. What is so wrong with a double sided 4-piston caliper versus a 2-piston sliding type? I'm not sold on sliding calipers since my truck had one caliper slide pin seize and make a complete mess out of the caliper AND ruined the disk, and both had to be replaced. (the caliper bracket was even hard to get, for a common-as-hell ford ranger...)

Could the Subaru calipers work with larger disks on the Legacy? If not, then of course, Brembo would be the way to go on the larger disks...

Do people complain about the 06 WRX brakes? Everyone seems to revere the braking quality of the Brembo calipers/discs on the STI... Why should the LGT have to suffer in that department? (rhetorical question to SOA)

The thing is, better pads go without saying. That would offer better modulation and But a car should not NEED aftermarket stainless steel braid covered brake lines to have decent pedal feel. Not that stainless lines are bad, at all. But they shouldn't be required to be retrofitted to bring the system up to good.

I just hope Subaru fixes it. Magazine tests comment on the lack of feel and the long stopping distances. ALMOST everyone on this forum has mentioned it as a shortcoming. I myself immediately noticed that the brakes seemed pretty wooden and lifeless when I test drove an LGT.

So, reconfigured booster, different master cylinder, different lines, calipers, and definitely pads... whatever it takes to make it on par with the handling and power that the car has and is capable of.

[AKLGT]

man, a 6 spd LGT fo 07.... drool!

[axis008]

I wonder if Subaru will change the wheel bolt pattern from 5x100 to 5x114.3. That would be real nice... More rim choices.. If the newer STI can have it, why not the Legacy, right?

[Opie]

...has anyone mentioned that all '07 Legacy GT Auto's with Nav will also get VDC?

[heightsgtltd]

...has anyone mentioned that all '07 Legacy GT Auto's with Nav will also get VDC?

You just did.

Izzat true? I really wish I had VDC on my 05. Maybe I will have to trade it in when the 07s come out :icon_twis

[petmor]

...has anyone mentioned that all '07 Legacy GT Auto's with Nav will also get VDC?
Doesn't all Legacys come with VDC in the US?? Over here in the old world they do

[sebberry]

Doesn't all Legacys come with VDC in the US?? Over here in the old world they do

None of the Legacies here come with it. Only the top of the line Outback, which even goes as far to have it's own model trim for VDC, the Outback 3.0R VDC.

[Syndicate]

...if true (6MT and blac/blue interior), I don't mind waiting a bit longer for the next Spec B. It'll give me time to do some saving :)

[praedet]

WAGON?

[Mono]

...has anyone mentioned that all '07 Legacy GT Auto's with Nav will also get VDC?

If we get VDC, I sure hope it’s an option because I don’t want it. I don’t need a computer to help me control my vehicle. You already have AWD and anti-lock brakes, what more do you need?

[psucaptainkickass]

If we get VDC, I sure hope it’s an option because I don’t want it. I don’t need a computer to help me control my vehicle. You already have AWD and anti-lock brakes, what more do you need?

Training wheels.

[problemcat13]

I don’t need a computer to help me control my vehicle. You already have AWD and anti-lock brakes, what more do you need? --Mono


"Hello Hal. I noticed we were accelerating at a very rapid rate so I shut off the fuel."

"I also noticed you are wearing our tires out at 11,231 miles so I have limited your RPMs to 3870."

"Hal, don't forget to buckle up......"

"Hal?........"

[IwannaSportSedan]

Actually it is Dave.

HAL-9000 is the computer that is talking.

But I also don't like computer nannies most of the time, unless they serve a very real and advantageous purpose other than second guessing me.

Hal: "What are you doing, Dave?
Dave: some type of stalling line... while he tries to shut Hal down.
Hal: "I am sorry, I can't let you do that, Dave."

And Hal proceeds to kill Dave Bowman somewhere in orbit around Jupiter.

I'd not want my car thinking I am an enemy, like Hal.

yah, BTW, I know it is fiction. :D ...so far

[BigT]

Lol Hal Dave bit
I would galdly trade my all black seats for some blue/black seats.
+1 on the cooled seats. Probably one of the harder mods to do to your car, but one of the most essential if you are a person of sweaty stature in a muggy enviorment. Cooled seats are definetely something that I would pay a lot of money for, to not have to go somewhere with your shirt in two different colors. Anywho, it seems like everything everyone is complaining about can easily be done to their current legacies. Go get an UP/DP/Exhaust set up, better tires, an aftermarket system like the Avic, and some suspension work, and your car can smoke any stock legacy subaru puts out, not to mention that it will probably cost less than trading in a fairly new car for a 40K legacy. Just my $.02
-T

[mphat]

Has anyone heard what the two new LGT colors are supposed to be?

[axis008]

Two new colors? Where'd you hear that from?

[mphat]

Go to the first post in the "2007 Subaru Line" topic in this forum. It indicates a dealer passed on info that the 4 door sedans will get split folding rear seats and 2 new colors...

[red beast]

Two new colors? Where'd you hear that from?


i'm guessing green and grey


http://www.subaru.fr/lineup/legacy/sedan/exterior/colour.asp

[Mines]

that would be nice if it was WR blue

[matters]

The six speed is very very cool...... The shorter ratio's lower down literally have the car jumping out of its skin under power..... Definately worth waiting for imho.

cheers

[SUBE555]

Go to the first post in the "2007 Subaru Line" topic in this forum. It indicates a dealer passed on info that the 4 door sedans will get split folding rear seats and 2 new colors...

And I would have bought a sedan in 2005 if I could have got this function like my 1997 had way back when. Reason a wagon was the only viable solution to haul stuff then.

[psucaptainkickass]

i'm guessing green and grey


http://www.subaru.fr/lineup/legacy/sedan/exterior/colour.asp

Please god no..that Green is hidious...that's the last thing we need. A 2.5 GT Christmas Tree. WR Blue!!! FTW!!!!

[heightsgtltd]

Please god no..that Green is hidious...that's the last thing we need. A 2.5 GT Christmas Tree. WR Blue!!! FTW!!!!

actually, a guy from holland posted pics of his legacy in that green and it looked amazing. The suggested colors presented on the website never look how they really do in person.

[psucaptainkickass]

actually, a guy from holland posted pics of his legacy in that green and it looked amazing. The suggested colors presented on the website never look how they really do in person.

Yeah I saw that...I thought it looked like a Christmas Tree!!!:(:(:(

[SUBE555]

And nobody is forcing you to buy green, there's other colors out there. If someone else wants a christmas tree looking color, so be it.

[psucaptainkickass]

And nobody is forcing you to buy green, there's other colors out there. If someone else wants a christmas tree looking color, so be it.

Very true, just saying that I'd much rather like to see a WR Blue than a Green LGT.

[I Wish]

The green and red weren't very popular in Australia so they were discontinued. I have seen the Garnet red and it isn't that bad in the flesh.

[malimx6]

-i doubt many care about the radio options....most want the mp3 jack
-blue interior < wrb exterior < wrb exterior + wrb interior
-just put the damn sti motor in and offer it with the 6MT and NAVI , wr gold rims and HID's , steering wheel controls and w/o those god damn potenza's and shut all of us up - once and for all....keep it under $32K LOL or none of us will buy it!
-AND DONT FORGET TO MAKE THE PAINT THICKER AND BETTER QUALITY
-THIS JUST COULD BE THE PERFECT CAR guys!!!

and try not making it a rattle box.

Oh yeah, I want double wishbone suspension, front+back !!!!