HID Xenon For Liberty.

[DarkWatch]

I wonder if anyone is interested for a Group buy of HIDs ?

I have a few friends who have Ordered a few HIDs from me and i am thinking of asking if anyone is interested.

For more information on the HID and prices, check out

http://www.ozliberty.com/forums/showthread.php?t=386


Cheers

DarkWatch
Email: james@intuitionperformance.com.au
Black Zeus GT - http://www.intuitionperformance.com.au/MYGT/

[exsing]

Hi Darkwatch,

I am actually keen on getting a set of Xenons too. I have a friend who has gone back to Singapore for a holiday and he's sourcing out some Xenons for me too.

I reckon they will look awesome on the GT!

Do anyone know why Subaru does not make Xenons as an option for the Liberty GT?

Jason.

[dmcgowan]

No idea Jason? It looks like an obvious upgrade...

I know the XenonOz guys are pretty active in heaps of forums and they seem to sell plenty around the $1000 a set mark. Must be a popular upgrade at that price? These ones seem a bit cheaper but still a pretty pricey upgrade for my money - I'd probably change my mind quickly if I did more late night driving I guess....


Darren

p.s. Nice pic of your new ride!

[exsing]

Hey thanks Darren,

I rang xenonoz and spoke to Frank. Was quoted $995 (can't remember if it was including fitting though), and I thought it was a bit steep. Since a friend of mine was going to Singapore for a holiday, I thought I might get him to do some investigating for me in terms of pricing. Hopefully it's cheaper there. They look awesome though, the xenons. Practical too, with the increased distance in lighting.

I am so happy with the GT. I don't think I've stopped grinning from cheek to cheek since last Saturday. Picked it up in high 30C heat from Docklands and drove it around on Sunday in low 40C heat!

I don't feel like such a n00b expressing my love for this car here. It is a Subaru forum afterall! I do try to keep my obvious joy toned down around friends though. Don't wanna be taken as a show off. But man! What a great car the Liberty GT is!

I can't imagine you guys with the STi version. I think I would just about be in heaven if I owned the GT STi...

Jason

[agctr]

Jason,

How long ago did u speak with Frank ?
Ada///M.

[dmcgowan]

Yeah the GT STi is <Bruce McAvaney voice> "Special" heh heh

The XenonOz price sounds about right. I'm guessing they're going for the whole "locally developed and supported" (but at a premium) angle and guys like James go the "imported with no middle man and motorsport sponshorship to fund" angle. Horses for courses is my guess and some will pay a premium for a local and others won't...

I think we're definitely getting towards critical mass for a GT cruise now

[exsing]

Jason,

How long ago did u speak with Frank ?
Ada///M.

G'day Adam,

I spoke to Frank middle of last week...he was really thorough and explained to me the difference between the different types of Xenons.

But $995 at this stage is a bit steep for me. I'll look around for now, and see if I can get something cheaper... :)

[exsing]

Yeah the GT STi is <Bruce McAvaney voice> "Special" heh heh


Can't wait to hear him commentate on the footy again. :)

Although I will miss Eddie's unbiased comments...NOT!

Oops...off topic...sorry.

I am more inclined to go with the cheaper, no middle name option. I'll do a bit more research to see just how good the cheaper ones are though. No point getting them cheap and they blow up after a day.

Jason.

[agctr]

Thanks for the information Jason.

I know that Frank was at one stage keen on setting up a group buy. This would make it a little cheaper but certeinly not half like what James is offering. I was thinking of maybe getting this MOD for the Fogs as well as I do drive with them on all the time. Unsure what the globe size is though.
Ada///M.

[gead]

are they road legal yet?

[agctr]

Glen, unsure about Jason's offering although the OzXenon ones are.
Ada///M.

[gead]

thats good news...xenons are great, i have them in the clio, but the last time i heard about them for the liberty, the word on the street was that they were not legal...terrible way to void your warranty/insurance...

a friend of mine who has had numerous subarus from liberties wrx's and now a forrestor, reckons that the first thing any new subaru owner needs to do is replace the stock globes...i will find out what he uses...

[exsing]

Hi Glen/Adam,

I would most certainly prefer them to be legal as like you said Glenn, worst thing is to have the warranty void.

Adam, let us know if Frank is going to do a bulk discount. I am very happy with the description of his product, and by looking at his website, seems his buyers are all very happy too. If he is going to offer them cheaper, I will probably be keen! :)

Jason.

[gead]

jason...ot..but nice avatar...i am looking forward to taking some 'artistic' shots when the beast arrives (hopefully tomorrow)

[dmcgowan]

Subaru did offer a B4 upgrade to the lights - was about $60-$70 vs. $30 retail for new globes. I took it up because it was easy to do and the lights did improve...

[agctr]

Xenons will totally blow the normal globes away, upgraded or not. I also got the upgrades on my lights too Darren. Xenons for fogs would be great too.
Will speak with Frank tmrw.
Ada///M.

PS James, did you get a PM from OCDetails re badges....?

[Bob GT STi]

James,
I am interested,but what are the differences H1 H4 etc. Are they all high/low beam? I thought low beam xenons were illegal but my wife's new Mini has high/low xenon.
Bob

[Bob GT STi]

Sorry James,
I keep forgetting that I am in Qld ( a big disadvantage if you own a GT/STi at the moment). Where would I get them fitted?
Bob

[exsing]

jason...ot..but nice avatar...i am looking forward to taking some 'artistic' shots when the beast arrives (hopefully tomorrow)

Hey Glen,

You lucky bugger! Tomorrow's the day eh? Nothing beats the feeling of driving a new car out of the dealership. :)

Great choice with the GT STi...I am very envious of all you STi owners...:lol:

[exsing]

Xenons will totally blow the normal globes away, upgraded or not. I also got the upgrades on my lights too Darren. Xenons for fogs would be great too.
Will speak with Frank tmrw.
Ada///M.


Hey Adam,

What sort of numbers do you need before you reckon you could get Frank to quote a lower price?

PS. Sorry guys, instead of double posting, I will use the edit function next time. I keep forgetting to use it...

Jason

[jaspert]

I'm guessing here but 5-10% off the 1 grand price at best perhaps . I wish someone can do a group comparison of different products on the market to help us with our choice.

James,
i'm interested in the Xelus kit too when i return from my holiday.

jasper

[jaspert]

Have a browse on Xenonoz website after the discussion here and found this statement in their FAQ section Are these XENON HID light systems street legal?

" Suitable for off road use applications only. Not ADR compliant or legal for road use. "

What's up with that? Someone stated earlier that Xenonoz kit is legal :confused:
3 months warranty only for the Xenon Extreme kit which is a bit disappointing.

jasper

[DarkWatch]

Dear Guys,

I been using the XELUX HID for my GT on the Low beams and Fog lights ever since i got my GT on the 2nd Dec 2003 whcih was the first few people who has the Liberty GT Premium Pack In Victoria.

I been selling these Xelux HID kits for $700-850 when i just luanch this product.

We, my workshops and my 4 Runners have been selling more then 967 Sets of XELUX in Australia and only 3 sets came back with problems because of the fitting and not the product.

We are willing to give 2 Years Warranty for the Ballast and Globe.

If there is any problems with the HID, No questions ASK and we will Exchange for you without any hassle.

HID are NOT Street Legal if you dont have Washers in Front but our customer has not problems with it and they wont melt your headlights (that we can Guarrantte)

The Xelux HID are EK and ISO Approve. (For those who wants to check out the Cert, please email or msg me)

For more Photos of the Xelux. check out at http://www.intuitionperformance.com.au/hid/

[DarkWatch]

PS James, did you get a PM from OCDetails re badges....?


No one msg me yet buddy.

[DarkWatch]

Sorry James,
I keep forgetting that I am in Qld ( a big disadvantage if you own a GT/STi at the moment). Where would I get them fitted?
Bob


Well, you can get any JB-HI shop to fit it for you and it should not cost u more then $80.00

It has Manuals and its Direct Fit into your normal sockets.


To Remove when you want to sell the car, it wont take more then 20mins.

[DarkWatch]

James,
i'm interested in the Xelus kit too when i return from my holiday.

jasper


hi Jasper, Cool buddy... let me know when you are ready and maybe i will do a group buy for the Liberty boys here.

[DarkWatch]

James,
I am interested,but what are the differences H1 H4 etc. Are they all high/low beam? I thought low beam xenons were illegal but my wife's new Mini has high/low xenon.
Bob


Hi Bob, Only H4 comes with High/ low beams.

h1, h3, h7, h9, h11, hb3, hb4 = all these comes with only low beam.

[DarkWatch]

Hi Darkwatch,

I am actually keen on getting a set of Xenons too. I have a friend who has gone back to Singapore for a holiday and he's sourcing out some Xenons for me too.

I reckon they will look awesome on the GT!

Do anyone know why Subaru does not make Xenons as an option for the Liberty GT?

Jason.


Hi Jason,

Yes the HID Does looks Good on the GTs.

IN Japan, the Liberty GTs are fitted with HID being a stock car and in Australia there isnt a Option for the moment for the Gt and i know they will be soon in 2006-2007.

And i can get Orginal Legacy GT headlights with HID from Subaru Japan..
Let me know if you are interested.

They are around $1100 Each side with HIDS Fitted and case.

[DarkWatch]

I have a few customers buying HIDs from me after 1 year when they change thier cars and they cant be bother removing them..

So i ask them, why dont you buy cheaper ones or more expensive from ebay or somewhere else??

Thier Answer was: James, its the Service you provide to my car and the XELUX looks whiter and sharper compare to those china or korean made ones.



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[DarkWatch]

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Cheers

[agctr]

James not a bad wrap I have to say, good to know you have good friends and business ppl out there to help and assist. I know that you have my backing and Im sure a lot of the other guys here on the site now that we know where you are at.
Ada///M.

PS Got yr PM yesterday, getting some information together for you so stay tuned. (no punt intended).

[dmcgowan]

James,

Just for peace of mind, what is the ADR / roadworthy position on Xenons? I've also asked XenonOz the same question as it sounds like they are technically not ADR compliant and a "nit picking" RWC inspector could say they don't comply and make the car unroadworthy.

Whilst they seem like a smart upgrade, I'm a bit concerned I'm buying into trouble later on with them? Obviously this is brand / supplier independent so whether they are $300 or $3000 they would seem to not comply...

Thanks,




Darren

[exsing]

I agree with you whole heartedly Darren.

The compliance issue is what I am most worried about.

[agctr]

Well I see it a bit like this.
Some many ppl run blue lights on their washers, run with neons under their cars, blow smoke, have bald tyres and alike. I think the Xenons are fine to be honest, there are a lot of cars running around with them now. I think if they were illegal by ADR standards, no one from BMW, Lexus, MB, Honda and alike would be allowed to run them. As long as U are running the stock standard 4300 Kelvin globes or there abouts, they should be fine and enough to blend and fly in under the radar.
Ada///M.

[DarkWatch]

Hi Darren,

ADR is Australian Design Rules (which can be found at http://www.dotrs.gov.au/transreg/str_adrindx.aspx)

Quite a few of my customers had my HIDs on their car and went for Road Worthy before selling their car, none of the Roadworthy Inspectors pick on them...

I myself have called up my Insurance Company which is RACV to insure the HIDs on my car.

One of my Customer went all the way to call up his Insurance company AAMI and insure it and also call up VICROADS to ask if he can fit HIDs and if they are legal to fit.. Both of them says it is ok if the Lights does not glare on coming cars, if they glare, just adjust the beams down.

When he asked Vicroads again another time regarding about the HID, even the officer of the dept says there isn’t a rule in their books for road worthy UNLESS the lights are blue and they glare...

So how do you solve the issue on confirming that they are legal??

No company will try to compliance them because you have to send 5-10 sets of HID to them and get an automotive engineer to sign it and apply for it and send for compliance.

At this point of time, we have sold close to a One thousand of HID across Australia and only one customer have problems with the police. Interesting thing you may ask and think why?

Before I go on to that, let me explain about Lumens in the HIDs.

There are a few kinds Lumens of HID on the colours
The 5000K, 6000K 8000K, 10000K and 12000K.

The more Lumens you go the blue or purple in the lighting. This Customer of mine told me he wanted 12,000K and I told him he might have trouble with the police because it is too bluish.

Fair enough, after 2 weeks he had the 12,000K globes on his car, the police stops him and give him a warning to change the globes to more white or yellow..

Other then that incident, most of my customers will buy 5000K’s, 6000K’s or 8000K’s Lumens and no one has any problems with them.

So, if you ask me About compliance about the HIDs, I can tell you I can’t because VICROADS cant confirm if they are legal or not.


PS: Adam, Thanks for the full supports and backing out there.. It is Hard to find someone like you in the internet nowadays.


Cheers and Best Regards,

[dmcgowan]

Thanks James,

I think both you and Frank from Xenon Oz have a pretty similar view - i.e. they are technically not proven to be ok but should be alright. Then it's just up to each of us to choose whether we want to risk it or not.

It's annoying the ADRs don't make it easy to understand how to use Xenons as they are clearly a sensible upgrade...

Cheers,



Darren

[DarkWatch]

Hi Guys, List down your name if you want a set of the HIDs.

1. Jasper H7 for Low Beam 6000K
2. exsing H7 for Low Beam 6000K & Maybe H3 6000K for Foglights.
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[DarkWatch]

Group Buy Order will be taking and closing date is 8 of Feb 2006.

Let me know if you wants a Set of HID for you car.


Hi Mate,

No worries for the Sti Emblems. It's is cool.

Let me know if you need anything for your liberty as we are ordering parts from Subaru/Sti/Japan direct.

Cheers

James Tan
INTUITION Performance
Mob : 0438868292
Email: james@intuitionperformance.com.au
Website: www.intuitionperformance.com.au