things that you expect legacy to have...

[team23jordan]

i expect legacy to have
real wiper
HID
premium stock stereo system

and i expect them to be in car and driver top 10 list instead of honda accord (your time is gone honda...its subaru time :mrgreen: )

[Gumby]

Best of luck on the rear wiper. lol.

I expect it to:

Handle at least as well as the stock WRX.
Be quieter (a given I guess)
Be faster (think weight v hp)
Have people selling their generic Japanesse cars to buy one (not sure if I really want this)

[AMT4SWA]

Factory body kit option(s).

Bluetooth like the new TL

XM radio as an option at least

HID's

At least one color option for the exterior that is a metalic gray

STI version one day! 8)

[Tide]

The only thing really missing is a 6-speed.

Beyond that:
HID
XM integrated option

[AMT4SWA]

They are saving that for the STI version! :D

[Tide]

They are saving that for the STI version! :DWe could hope, but that puts me in the eternal quandry. Buy a Legacy this year cause Ive been drooling forever, or wait to see if and when they release a more potent STi version. It took what? 24 months for WRX to get a big brother STi in the US? So I'd be waiting 30 months from now :(

[Gumby]

I'd Buy the GT model now and wait for the STi then trade up. An STi model will only be introduced to the US market once the 05 Legacy has proved successful and it takes time to get all the Federal approvals when the decision is made.. That's my take on it anyway.

[dark_rex]

The only thing really missing is a 6-speed.

Beyond that:
HID
XM integrated option

agreed. i was really hoping to see the STi 6 speed option on this sucker. perhaps after a year or two (like the rex)

dR

[AMT4SWA]

I will not wait for the STI, and I will buy in June (if already available) because I will buy the 5 spd AT "Sportshift" (wife does not drive a 5 spd...sad but true). I need to replace my IS 300 this summer so I will be in the market and ready (was going to buy the S60 R until I found out about the Legacy...always loved the Subaru WRC cars). This car is a complete package for an amazing price IMO (even at say $32,000 loaded), and I just do not see anything that can touch this performance for this size of car at the estimated price level.

[team23jordan]

We could hope, but that puts me in the eternal quandry. Buy a Legacy this year cause Ive been drooling forever, or wait to see if and when they release a more potent STi version. It took what? 24 months for WRX to get a big brother STi in the US? So I'd be waiting 30 months from now
but you got a sweeet ride
if i were you
i'd enjoy your WRX till legacy STi comes out 8)

[Tide]

Yeah, I was looking at a loaded G35 AWD and it was coming out to 40k for it with everything I wanted! You should be able to get the same from Subaru for 32-34k.

[AMT4SWA]

I hope Subaru has a Carbon Fiber factory dash kit when the GT comes out...I do not like the silver painted plastic look for the center stack area (radio and A/C control area). The G35 and the new Mazda 6 has this, and it looks to cheap...also everyone has paint scratch problems within the first couple of months with these cars center stack area. The new Volvo S40 uses an aluminum metal cover plate for their new S40 center stack...now that looks good and is more durable. It would look best IMO if Subaru leaves the center stack area as black as possible...like the great picture of the new GT cockpit in the other thread...SWEEEEEET! :D

Also, I hope Subaru brings the rear decklid spoiler from the "Liberty" (Legacy) website for the Australian/New Zealand market. This two piece spoiler with a decklid piece and the upper wing section attached has a great look to it...all business!

[sti_owner]

6 speed seems to be the biggest thing lacking, but a tall 5th gear should be fine. I can wait for the STi version myself, as Im already set with one. ;)

[AMT4SWA]

Looks like no HID's for now...later date or saved for the STI version I guess. :roll:

[team23jordan]

no hid :roll:
that's gotta be a standard or at least option for 30G car :roll:
This car is a complete package for an amazing price IMO (even at say $32,000 loaded),
Legacy loaded means LOADED like everything you can think for that price
and 32G is for wagen loaded
so sedan would be little bit cheaper

[EJ20H-TT]

All these toys are fine but

what i want is torque

i want low down head snapping torque

[PPower]

can we go to what we want?

Memory seats with the power seat option. On the power seats, I would like to see adjustable side bolsters like the M3 has. That would help alleviate my concerns about the US seats being too wide for me.

McIntosh stereo as a stand alone option that doesn't require other options to be chosen to get it. Just like how the Nakamichi stereo is available in BMW. It stinks that in the past you could only get McIntosh in the very top Outback models.

It looks like fighting for a smaller front bumper at least is going to be a losing battle, so I'll let it go.

[goneskiian]

I'd like to be able to get the McIntosh as well. HID's would be cool too but not a deal breaker. Memory on the power seats would be fabulous, but again not a deal breaker. Then again I don't want memory seats, that would make it too easy to let my wife drive. ;)

I really doubt we'll see it come XM compatible. If it does, then I hope they throw in an input jack as well for those with iPods or the like.

-Ian

[SUBE555]

Hmm, guess I'd really like a quality stereo w/ 6-disc under the seat (call me old skool, like less in the dash) w/ MP3 capability, MP3 player hookups would be sweet! I'd also like HIDs as optional, and NO powr seats for me, but some nicely bolstered seats would do me well. Can we get those STi springs too? :D That would probably be enough.

Oh yeah, hope the turbo type is of VF style and shape, otherwise upgrades down the road (you know it will happen) may be more complicated with changing placements.

Oh well, its a wish list ain't it!

Oh crap, things to expect. Oh well, can wish too eh! :)

[team23jordan]

All these toys are fine but

what i want is torque

i want low down head snapping torque

a lot low end torque=V6 or "V8"

[team23jordan]

aight here's my new list
1. HID
2. 6 speed manual (TSX even has 6 speed manual!!!!)
3. NO DAYTIME RUNNING LIGHTS
4. Power seats with memory seats
5. heated seats
6. heated out side mirrors
7. Home link
8. it's always nice to have check tire pressure inside of car 8)
9. automatic power door locks
10. i don't know what its called but key with a chip in the inside of it, so copy keys can't turn the engine on. JUST OVERALL BETTER SECURITY SYSTEM (ANYBODY CAN STEAL STI IF THEY REALLY WANT TO)

[SUBE555]

Wish the single-touch window down was for driver or all windows.

A very strong 5MT built on principles of STi 6MT. (As long as gear ratios are perfect and enough torque, why paddle less, besides in same space, you can get more gear, therefore stronger. :P)

Wish the tire-pressure sensor measured the actual pressures and compensated for temp to within 1/2 pound. :P

I definitely second the security deal. I was going to get the factory security system in my next one, but I'm contemplating just getting an aftermarket unit.

[EJ20H-TT]

All these toys are fine but

what i want is torque

i want low down head snapping torque

a lot low end torque=V6 or "V8"

My TT currently has good low end ater i modified it but i still only got peak torque over 5000 rpm

With the right single turbo set up however u can get lots of low down torque.

The 2.5 for the USDM or Twin Scroll JDM should solve that.

[Dr. Zevil]

Don't think the USDM is getting the twin-scroll turbo. With the 2.5 engine there is no need since torque comes on so quickly.

[AMT4SWA]

I think you are right, we are getting "single scroll" to have the same commonalty of parts as other new U.S. based H4 2.5L Turbo's. I'm sure we will love the power delivery when we all get to do a test drive for the first time... :lol:

I am actually very glad that Subaru built up the U.S. WRX STI off the H4 2.5L motor (the extra displacement never hurts!). Now Subaru has a great powerplant package that they are able to place in several cars with great success.

[legacy2ner]

I want it to be fast.
Be able to burn the 255 hp maxima
Maybe keep up with a Z
I want Torque
Faster than the TL
Aftermarket

[team23jordan]

i got an email from need desire week ago or so
and it said it's faster than Z and boxter and other cars 8) (at least 0-60)

[username]

the thing(s) i wish the (US) Legacy had?

smaller bumpers...

http://members.shaw.ca/bloodtypeb4/specB.JPG
http://members.shaw.ca/bloodtypeb4/LegJpnJpg.JPG
http://members.shaw.ca/bloodtypeb4/USlegJpg82aa.JPG

it went from A4/A6, 3/5 series looks... to camry/accord...imho

at least, it should still be a good "drivers car".

[Dr. Zevil]

Not again..

[username]

hungry?

Originally posted by Dr. Zevil
I checked into it and the rear bumper on the sedan appears to be the same. If I remember corectly it's only the wagon that has the outback bumper.

[Dr. Zevil]

Yeah, that comment was not accurate.. but dude, it's like your on some sort of mission to prove to the world that Subaru has wronged you. Notice that I say "appears", in which case I was not sure. You have already littered NASIOC with talk about how we are getting a bastardized Legacy. You have gone far enough to bring in statistics about the quality ratings of Subaru (which has nothing to do with any topic whatsoever). It seems as though you are want everyone to boycott the car because you don't like the styling anymore. Why did I buy my WRX? It wasn't because of the looks (but they did grow on me), it's because the car was a blast to drive and was practical in a climate such as mine (snow).

I agree with what others have said, you did an excellent job getting us all that information about the JDM Legacy, I applaude your efforts.

Either accept the fact that you are not going to get the smaller bumpers, or go find another car to buy. It is turning into whining. Maybe you shouldn't have put yourself in the position to get disappointed.

BFD about me eating my words. What will be funny is that you have spent all this time bashing and you will still end up giving your money to Subaru.

[gtguy]

dude, it's like your on some sort of mission to prove to the world that Subaru has wronged you. Notice that I say "appears", in which case I was not sure. You have already littered NASIOC with talk about how we are getting a bastardized Legacy. You have gone far enough to bring in statistics about the quality ratings of Subaru (which has nothing to do with any topic whatsoever). It seems as though you are want everyone to boycott the car because you don't like the styling anymore. Why did I buy my WRX? It wasn't because of the looks (but they did grow on me), it's because the car was a blast to drive and was practical in a climate such as mine (snow).

I agree with what others have said, you did an excellent job getting us all that information about the JDM Legacy, I applaude your efforts.

Either accept the fact that you are not going to get the smaller bumpers, or go find another car to buy. It is turning into whining. Maybe you shouldn't have put yourself in the position to get disappointed.

Amen, Dr. Zevil. When you see the profile shots, I actually prefer the USDM look, as the elongated bumper gives the front of a car a more pointed, aero look.

But part of why I came here is the incessant bickering/squabbling about the new Legacy at NASIOC, and what it does or doesn't have. This looks to be a much nicer space (like the Legacy forum at NASIOC), and it would be really cool if it could stay that way. There is so much to be enthusiastic about, when you look at what the car does have, from the excellent seats and 17" wheels, to the engine immobilizer/fuel cutoff built into the keyless entry, to the six-CD changer standard, etc, etc. The wagon gets the boss two-stage moonroof (wagonwagonwagon!), and the wheels are fabulous. We also get the much-lauded steering ratio of the JDM car, but our motor will be punchier from down low, with what should be a nice, flat torque curve.

Then are those those lurvly dual exhausts, that nestle up into a very Eurostyle bumper valence. The car should sound really nice, too. They've stiffened the transmission case on the 5-speed, and a new SportShift autobox actually holds a gear, and can be shifted from the steering wheel. There is just SO much to like about this car, from the excellent interior which finally boasts materials and style capable of competing with the rest of the world, to the big ol' brakes (12.3" rotors up front, and 11.3" rotors out back) and aluminum suspension bits that help lighten the car and enhance the excellence of its driving package.

This is the first Legacy with not only class and style, but performance to back up its great looks, which explains why I am always so overwhelmingly positive about the '05 Legacy, and will get one. In a way, I suppose it points to the excellence of the car that bumpers or non-LED backup lights are the only quibbles that people can raise about it. :D

I am a die-hard Legacy enthusiast, without question. I was one of the first guys to do extensive suspension and exhaust fiddling with a '98 GT wagon, and I actually felt guilty buying a WRX wagon, as opposed to another Legacy. :D But for me, the problem isn't negativity about the new car. The problem is the bickering and flaming attendant to said negativity, that seems to be unavoidable. And it would be really cool if that kind of stuff didn't happen here.

Kevin

[Dr. Zevil]

I agree and I don't think that you are blaming me for any negativity or flaming because of negativity. I was going to put in my above post that the reason that I am starting to post more here about the GT is because it is a forum that is/was void of those kinds of negative comments. I had moment of weakness.

Anyway, I am not mad at username. As a matter of fact he was the one that got all sorts of information about the new legacy for all of us to drool over. I just wish that people would let it die now. We have NEVER gotten anything exactly the same as Japan so why would this start now? I am sick of the complaining. Everytime I come back to check threads for new info there is just new comments about what's WRONG with the car.

I am very happy that this car is here and that it will usher in a new era of value sport sedans. If people don't like the car, that's fine. I will do my best to keep my posts informative and non-flame-related.

Oh, and do you think it will be a waste to get the auto? I was still on the fence about what tranny to get. What do you think??

[gtguy]

I agree and I don't think that you are blaming me for any negativity or flaming because of negativity. I was going to put in my above post that the reason that I am starting to post more here about the GT is because it is a forum that is/was void of those kinds of negative comments. I had moment of weakness.

Oh, and do you think it will be a waste to get the auto? I was still on the fence about what tranny to get. What do you think??

Not at all, Dr. Z...your instincts are correct. I don't think that anyone is bent out of shape at Username. His efforts at getting information and pictures to us all were positively Herculean, and much appreciated. I, too, want to keep it positive here, but don't know how much luck we're going to have, now that the "b-word" has its own thread here...

I'm getting a manual, but from what Paul Hansen (NASIOC poster and man in the know, under the screen name Shirokuma), the automatic is a fine transmission, particularly for the steering wheel-mounted shifters.

I was actually thinking about how nice a SportShift-equipped, moonroofed, perforated leather GT wagon in black would be... :D

Then I came to my senses, and the silver, manual transmissioned, cloth GT wagon returned to my dreams. :D

Kevin

[Dr. Zevil]

Yeah, I hear that. I was thinking the same thing.. limited auto. That would be fun as hell, but then again it is probably gonna cost more than I would like it to! I will probably go with the cloth as well with the 5 speed. I sure hope we can get the 5 speed and cloth with a moonroof option. I told myself that I wouldn't get the car unless I got a moonroof. So I think I might have to get an auto anyway.

[AMT4SWA]

HANDS DOWN!!! U.S. spec front bumper is a 1000 times better design...look at the U.S. spec lower center front bumper wrap cut-out area and how it is "united" in design to the upper front grill cut-out area...they compliment each other from a design stand point (the JDM front bumper has a long horizontally positioned "smiley face mouth" center cut-out that does not at all tie into any thing north of the front bumper piece itself). The second "positive" for the U.S. spec front bumper is the more sophisticated positioning and istallation of the front fog lamps (we get a multipiece fog lamp install with a very good looking "surround" section, that fits the bumper around the actual lamp itself...looks very good!). The JDM front bumper fog lamp install looks very much like the fog lamp placement from all these cheap body kit vendors you see in all the tuner mag's...YUCK! :roll: I will gladly take the U.S. spec bumpers...HANDS DOWN!

[PPower]

About the bumper, please send any comments to the aforementioned bumper thread positive or negative. If there is to be ranting back and forth, at least isolate it so that the rest of the threads can go along in peace. K?

Kevin, how about a compromise? Silver manual GT with aftermarket leather. That way you don't get the weight of electric seats and moonroof. If I had a wagon, I'd be awefully tempted to get that cool moonroof. I almost think it would be a shame to get a wagon without it.

[akm3]

Does anyone have any information on the sportshift? I understand logically what it is, but is it REALLY like having the control of a manual when you want it (ALL the control of a manual when you want it) and the simplicity of an automatic when you don't? -- I'm sure that ISN'T the case so what are the tradeoffs? What do I lose if I choose the SportShift?

Having steering wheel mounted paddle shifters sounds like the coolest thing ever, but if it sucks ...

I have no experience with a system like this.

-Allen

[PPower]

Allen, they won't be razor sharp or instant shifts like semi-manual like BMW, Ferrari, Aston Martin, etc. From what I've read, it seems most like Porsche's Tiptronic. It doesn't have steering wheel paddles. It has buttons on the horizontal spokes of the steering wheel for shift up/down. There will be a bit of a lag for the shift to actually occur. I have driven this type transmission in Honda and Infiniti, and I can't stand it. I think that Prodrive's development of the transmission should make it more responsive closer to Porsche's system.

Also as a loss is what I think may be a lower hp/torque limit. In Japan, their automatic is rated at 260PS instead of 280PS for the manual. It is only my speculation that it may have lower limits, so that would be a problem if you want to mod your car. Sportshift w/ the 3.0H6 would be nice, but for the turbo, can't go wrong with the manual.

[EJ20H-TT]

All Subaru Autos seem to be down rated to about 255hp. One presumes Subaru thinks they are weak.

Although Subaru deny it, people driving the Auto feel it has less peak torque than the manual.

[gtguy]

Kevin, how about a compromise? Silver manual GT with aftermarket leather. That way you don't get the weight of electric seats and moonroof. If I had a wagon, I'd be awefully tempted to get that cool moonroof. I almost think it would be a shame to get a wagon without it.

Agreed. That moonroof is slicker than snake snot. Something else the wagon folks get that the sedan folks don't. Oh yeah, and our seats fold down (neener, neener!). :D

Kevin

[PPower]

Any idea if the wagon rear seats recline, or was that feature specific to the one touch folding mechanism? If rear seats recline a bit like in the G35 premium package, that may do me in. That is the absolute best feature.

[gtguy]

Any idea if the wagon rear seats recline, or was that feature specific to the one touch folding mechanism? If rear seats recline a bit like in the G35 premium package, that may do me in. That is the absolute best feature.

Dunno. I imagine not, though. Then again, you never know with Subaru. I'm sure they were looking at features from other cars in designing all the features of the Legacy.

Kevin

[PPower]

DUDE! Somebody fix Kevin's quote button already! :lol:

It doesn't seem like that should be something that should be dependent on the fold down feature because it's not electric. It makes sense that it would be easier to do this feature in the wagon than the sedan. I'm adding this onto what I EXPECT. Come on Subaru! Give us the goods!

[Dr. Zevil]

DUDE! Somebody fix Kevin's quote button already! :lol:


No doubt.. Fizzle that shizzle ma nizzle. :lol:

[Skylab™]

I really like the looks of the '05 Legacy. No need to have them grow on me, unlike the WRX. This redesign is spot on! I could care less about what the bumper looks like.

You all have to realize, 99% of people who purchase a Legacy never modify a single thing on the car. I'm going to get the GT wagon. The only thing I might change would be the exhaust....maybe. I have an RS, and drive it like a grandma, so there was never a point for me to mod the car beyond the exhaust and sway bars.

Anyways...go S U B A R U!


Skylab™