07 spec. B speculation

[psucaptainkickass]

Does anyone here feel that the spec. B will go the way of the 35th Anniversary Z? Like for all essential purposes, the 2006 Z is the 35th Anniversary model. Maybe the spec. B's suspension will become standard equipment on the '07 LGT? Or at the least be offered as an optional trim package?

[heightsgtltd]

interesting question..since the spec. B hasnt been selling so well, they might make some of its standard stuff optional for '07. I am really curious to see what SOA does with the'07. Could go many different ways..

[SWortham]

I just hope they make me glad I waited.

[msmith]

I know how to make the Spec B sell, for $37k

300 HP
6 speed manual
Nav
and a WAGON version, dammit.

[Opie]

The Spec B is definitly coming back...


...and those that are waiting will be glad they did...very glad indeed!

[Spec B #127]

I had heard that there was going to be an STi version for '07. Is any of that true?

[heightsgtltd]

The Spec B is definitly coming back...


...and those that are waiting will be glad they did...very glad indeed!


YOU CAN'T DO THAT!!!! :lol:

some more info please :icon_bigg

[PhilT]

The Spec B is definitly coming back...


...and those that are waiting will be glad they did...very glad indeed!

That sounds like a man who has some inside info...........

Spill the beans or else :lol:

[camber]

Well they better have something great for 2007!

Even the Toyota Camry will have 268 hp :p

[melayout]

The Spec B is definitly coming back...


...and those that are waiting will be glad they did...very glad indeed!

Spill it NOW bish, or you can pm me. I can keep a secret. :)

[jim1969]

Well they better have something great for 2007!

Even the Toyota Camry will have 268 hp :p
Hell, the RAV4 will have 269hp V-6.

[2Simpletons]

That'd be pretty cool if they did bring the "Tuned by STi" version over. Especially since all the mods would transfer right over!!!!

[kenzo]

The Spec B is definitly coming back...


...and those that are waiting will be glad they did...very glad indeed!

Nobody likes a tease.

[psucaptainkickass]

Nobody likes a tease.

Seriously...please spill something, anything.....:icon_bigg

[john_knoxville]

and a WAGON version, dammit.
why is this so important to you? and don't tell me because you have dogs or to haul large, heavy items, cause there's no way you're placing large, heavy items or letting your dogs stomp all over that beautiful audio equipment

[msmith]

What can I say, I like the wagon. My install is designed to retain utility. All I have to do is put a carpet mat on the floor and I can carry anything I want. I also have this attitude towards SUV's that never see dirt and like to point out the alternative to my friends.

Besides, bass always sounds better in a wagon! :)

[Tommyh]

The Spec B is definitly coming back...


...and those that are waiting will be glad they did...very glad indeed!

Let the cat out of the bag, or I will shred and burn the "blankie" that I stole from your house!

[melayout]

Opie,

I KNOW WHERE YOU WORK and your myspace account.

[LegGTLT]

Post the Myspace account... OR ELSE!:lol:

Let the feeding frenzy begin, look what you've done Opie!!!:munch:

[Opie]

Guys I would love to say...but since I work at a dealership I have this confidentiality thing I have to follow...

I will say this...in '07 it will have something it "should've" had to begin with as all the other countries where it's sold get this...and the interior won't be so "shocking" it's just be better...


...as soon as I get the "official" announcement on this, I post better details...but you should be able to figure it out if you are the smart!

[heightsgtltd]

Guys I would love to say...but since I work at a dealership I have this confidentiality thing I have to follow...

I will say this...in '07 it will have something it "should've" had to begin with as all the other countries where it's sold get this...and the interior won't be so "shocking" it's just be better...


...as soon as I get the "official" announcement on this, I post better details...but you should be able to figure it out if you are the smart!

well as far as Im concerned, you kept your confidentiality intact. Now what do the rest of us think based on his cryptic comments?

[tintinet]

300 hp, 6 sp MT, stiffer sways. At least, that's what it oughta have!

[fweasel]

well as far as Im concerned, you kept your confidentiality intact. Now what do the rest of us think based on his cryptic comments?

SWEET! A small monkey in the dash cubby to shout directions at me in hindi!

[heightsgtltd]

I am thinking 3.0 six cylinder. Thats what the Spec B legacy has in other markets among other things. Maybe blown after all? Or the 6speed, that could be it too.

Now an Sti might have a turbo 4 cyl, but he didnt intimate anything about an Sti..or did he? :lol:

[Jon [in CT]]

I will say this...in '07 it will have something it "should've" had to begin with as all the other countries where it's sold get this...Cool! A a spec.B with normally aspirated 3.0L engine and automatic transmission option!

[heightsgtltd]

SWEET! A small monkey in the dash cubby to shout directions at me in hindi!


Yours speaks Hindi? Mine does Urdu

I was thinking that the horn would have the sound of Nelson's "ha-ha" when you pushed on it. I heard they have that in the spec. B in Japan. :lol:

[fweasel]

Yours speaks Hindi?


Oh I wish!

[BrownBoy]

Where did all these Indian trunk monkeys come from?! :lol:
I'm guessing its going to be a 6 speed, as the Spec. Bs in other countries have 6 speeds. There is a probability it could be a NA 3.0, but they will probably stick to the 2.5 Turbo w/ more power. Lets say, 280? How's that sound Opie?:icon_bigg And as far as interior being diff., no numbered plates! :lol:

[red beast]

666 edition

6 speed , h-6, 600hp





it would be nice if could get the turbo h-6 @ 350 hp

posted this before from 2004

http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5646&sid=178&n=158

[Opie]

']Cool! A a spec.B with normally aspirated 3.0L engine and automatic transmission option!

:lol:

[heightsgtltd]

:lol:

just so you guys know,

:lol: = HIDs, Mcintosh 13 speaker, alcantara seats, 6speed manual/6 speed auto, bilstein suspension, BBS wheels,navi, all with an MSRP of $31000!

It's amazing what you can say with a simple smiley. :icon_tong

[kenzo]

just so you guys know,

:lol: = HIDs, Mcintosh 13 speaker, alcantara seats, 6speed manual/6 speed auto, bilstein suspension, BBS wheels,navi, all with an MSRP of $31000!

It's amazing what you can say with a simple smiley. :icon_tong

Another Spec.B with even more bling and still the same zing? Let's hope not. Dealers probably still have half of this year's "limited sales" edition growing cobwebs.

(Still keeping fingers crossed for a LegaSTi)

[psucaptainkickass]

My guess is on the inside it will have the McIntosh system. Definitely not shocking...and we have seen this set up before, its just "better"
A second idea for the interior is Nav available with the MT.

Let's see...something that all the other markets have...now all the other markets do have a 3.0 spec. B, but is it something that "should have" been here from the beginning, I am going to go with no.

6Speed MT, it is something that all the other markets have, and we do keep complaining about needing a final gear to lower RPMs during highway cruising...i think that it is definitely a possiblity for '07 if not the front runner in this speculation.

HIDs...sure, would have been nice to have them but that is so minor that I don't think it is in the "shoulda had them" category.

Subaru has to be careful if they come out with a spec. B again. Even if they incorporate spec. B changes into the limited line, I think there isn't a market for three model legacys over here. Have the i, and GT. They canned the cloth version of the GT I think for that reason, and I think the slow sales of the spec. B are in many ways due buyers have another option in terms of model. When they find out that it doesn't have any more power...then people tend to shy away. We'll see what happens...Opie as soon as its an official announcement please let us know!

Ohh edit...spec. B in WRB only! With the JDM bumper or similar!

[rfd425]

I think the mystery new feature is the 6-speed. Possibly HID's too. An N/A 3.0 H6 seems unlikely, as who would want that over the 2.5 turbo (okay, I'm sure there is somebody, but, in general, I think performance enthusiasts would prefer the 2.5 turbo)? A turbo H6 would be a whole other level of car, and I think Subaru will wait until they are ready to release a full-fledged ~$40K Legacy STi before they introduce such an engine. A slighly more aggressive ECU tune is a possibility, but I wouldn't really expect it, and it might be irrelevant anyway, with the aftermarket flashes available.

[heightsgtltd]

I hope they incorporate some changes into the standard GTs as well. As many have mentioned, the legacy is woefully behind in both parts like VDC, as well as amenities when compared to other cars in its class.

[IwannaSportSedan]

It could be anything, or several things.

Separate audio from ACC/McIntosh option. Again, should have, would make the interior "nicer" without changing it fundamentally.
three dial ACC, or at least separate ACC that works more intuitively would also fall under that category.
Folding rear seats is something we should have gotten.

IF it isn't limited to interior features that "it should have had", we could hypothesize several more things...
6MT, should have had it, does appear in some other markets.
Aluminum suspension arms, aside from Bilstein struts/shocks. Should have had it, other markets ALL get it, besides north america, IIRC. 20mm Rear sway bar would also be in that category...

Really good brakes... like 06 WRX brakes, or STI brembos... or at least something better than OE 05-06 Legacy...

HIDs would be something that other markets have, that we should have gotten. Nav available on GT models.

Better color choices... An interior color choice once again...

A 3.0R Legacy model...

we can go on and on here with features, equipment and models we should have gotten that could be included for the 07 model.


Personally, if they do it right... The Aluminum suspension will become standard, as well as some of the more basic interior improvements will become standard on the GT. Nav, HID, some of the rest will be optional on all models. to be available, but not mandatory.

Spec B will go to what the JDM spec B is, and will become an add-on package for all GTs, for bilsteins, 18" wheels, and an agressive looking front fascia.


This has definitely piqued my interest, as I AM one of those that has waited. Almost two years. More than two years when the sale will actually go down.

I am hungry to know every last bit I can find about the 07 offerings. I just hope I don't have to wait until December of 06 to get a real good price on one. August is more my time frame, and when they will be arriving at dealers.

If anybody has any info, that won't breach confidentiality, that may not be able to be broadcast to the whole board, please do PM me... Confidence will be kept as long as needed.

[petmor]

I know what you'll get. A casette player like we do :)
You'll probably get the navi as standard. I can't see your obsession with the six-speed gearbox. It really consumes a lot of petrol, not to mention that you have to shift all the time. I must say to it's defence though, it accelarates much quicker then my automatic. You'll also have to get the shortshifter if you really want to have fun.I for one am glad i choose the automatic

[Tide]

frak

The Spec B is definitly coming back...


...and those that are waiting will be glad they did...very glad indeed!

[wukindada]

Hmmmmm......you def. have my curiosity raised Will;)

[rao]

frak

I can't wait to see the standard e-mail responses from SOA when 06 Spec B owners write tocomplaing that the 07 is better. Should be priceless :lol:

Unless it has more under the hood the 07 will sell about as well as the 06. You only get one shot at a super-special top secret model.

[DeepFreeze2]

IBletsdoiteverydamnyear!!!:icon_bigg

[wukindada]

My guess is ......same setup as the STI;)
For all of you dreaming of a 3.0T......remember the Tribeca will get it first!

[IwannaSportSedan]

frak

Those damned Cylons at SOA. Always screwing things up.

It's ok, though. If somehow the 07's suck, I am still reserving judgement to find a left-over 06 Spec B...

Even if the Spec B comes back... I doubt it will be the Double-secret-probation 1of500 edition...

Hopefully any and all of the real substantive changes will hopefully be transferrable for all the mod junkies around here...

"... Need.... INPUT!" - Johnny-5

[heightsgtltd]

Those damned Cylons at SOA. Always screwing things up.

It's ok, though. If somehow the 07's suck, I am still reserving judgement to find a left-over 06 Spec B...

Even if the Spec B comes back... I doubt it will be the Double-secret-probation 1of500 edition...

Hopefully any and all of the real substantive changes will hopefully be transferrable for all the mod junkies around here...

"... Need.... INPUT!" - Johnny-5

or they make some things distinct and purposefully non-transferable so someone who spends an extra 7-10K would feel like they got something different than the next guy. I would love for stuff to be transferrable, but they have to create a demand for something first.

Though that could be the Sti version! :icon_twis

[Jedi Pimp]

The JDM spec B doesn't have a six speed if I remember....

[35th]

"Less shocking interior" I'm thinking the reddish/orangish leather is going the way of the doedoe(spl?). The only way I see the car selling (to the general public) with that color interior is if the car is black.
I think for power it will have the standard JDM 276hp, any more could effect STI sales too much
As far as other changes, factory Navi and HIDs would raise the price too much. I could see more/different color options like WRB with black&blue interior, Obsidian Black with black&tan int, or the before metioned blanck with the current int.

Just some thoughts, flame as you see fit.
35th

[Tide]

Have you seen the interior in person? It's not shocking _at all_.

[tintinet]

Ya. Tres chic et sophistique.

[petmor]

The JDM spec B doesn't have a six speed if I remember....
Well the European version is

[melayout]

Well the European version is

He means the JDM 2.0GT Turbo powertrain combo doesn't come with it.

The European SpecB is the 3.0 NA powertrain combo.

[35th]

Have you seen the interior in person? It's not shocking _at all_.

Shocking? No but I think to Joe Public a silver/grey car with orangish interior is not very appealling.

[melayout]

Seriously, IT IS NOT ORANGISH.

[tintinet]

I like it!

Almost bought one, but the bargain of the 05 MT LGT LMT Wagon lured me in! Plus, I really didn't think I needed the Nav. system.

[35th]

Seriously, IT IS NOT ORANGISH.

Sorry if my slight color blindedness hit a nerve.
Anyway what ever the color IMO it does not go well with the exterior, and I don't think I'm alone. I like the ***ish color, it is nice and well done, I think matching it up with the chosen exterior is a mistake for the US market. Maybe if it were a true gunmetal it might work, but I think it would even look better in a white car than the current choice.

[heightsgtltd]

"Less shocking interior" I'm thinking the reddish/orangish leather is going the way of the doedoe(spl?). The only way I see the car selling (to the general public) with that color interior is if the car is black.
I think for power it will have the standard JDM 276hp, any more could effect STI sales too much
As far as other changes, factory Navi and HIDs would raise the price too much. I could see more/different color options like WRB with black&blue interior, Obsidian Black with black&tan int, or the before metioned blanck with the current int.

Just some thoughts, flame as you see fit.
35th

Just so you know, the 276 number that many companies including Subaru had adhered to for HP is a BS gentlemens agreement on HP cap. Most cars are and were way more HP than that. Kinda like 155 MPH for German cars, but the dealer can remove the limiter. The freaking Skyline GTR was also rated at 276 for a while :lol:

[psucaptainkickass]

Hey all the other markets get a Legacy with good paint. Maybe that's what we will get!

[35th]

[quote=psucaptainkickass]Hey all the other markets get a Legacy with good paint. Maybe that's what we will get![/quot

We'll get a twin turbo B8 before we get good paint.
Subarus have to be the only car that you can spray paint and improve the paint quality.

[dark_rex]

I'm thinking HIDs + 6spd. maybe the STi's power.

sounds likely the red leather is gone (which is cool, b/c the early adopters will have something special to keep their value up)

dR

[Tide]

well whatever... we bit the bullet, maybe they'll get the price right next year.

[wickedwrx02]

I really hope its going to be worth the hype. I've been holding on to the WRX just waiting to see the '07s. Give us the STI Legacy dammit! If they do its bye bye bugeye for me.

[Double-V]

Hmmm, I am intrigued. I was looking at maybe picking up a 2006 Legacy GT 5MT wagon in the summer, but this news might make me hold off for the 2007s to see what is in store. I just hope the new nose isn't too nasty...

[mand3j]

Guys I would love to say...but since I work at a dealership I have this confidentiality thing I have to follow...

I will say this...in '07 it will have something it "should've" had to begin with as all the other countries where it's sold get this...and the interior won't be so "shocking" it's just be better...


...as soon as I get the "official" announcement on this, I post better details...but you should be able to figure it out if you are the smart!

So are you saying the '07 improvements will apply only to the spec B? Or will all 2.5gt models get these improvements?

Thanks for the teaser by the way!!

[john_knoxville]

As far as other changes, factory Navi and HIDs would raise the price too much.
WOW! factory Navi on the '07 Spec B? gee, that would be a radical change! its hard to even imagine what that would be like...... :rolleyes:

[Opie]

So are you saying the '07 improvements will apply only to the spec B? Or will all 2.5gt models get these improvements?

Thanks for the teaser by the way!!

The details I was given were only specific changes to the Spec-B standard equipment/features...

[IanKen]

']Cool! A a spec.B with normally aspirated 3.0L engine and automatic transmission option!

No. Following their current plan the auto will be the ONLY transmission you can get.

[racerdave]

No. Following their current plan the auto will be the ONLY transmission you can get.

And in memory of the Justy, it will only be available in CVT.

[wunderkind]

It will sport RE92As.

[tintinet]

Hmmm, I am intrigued. I was looking at maybe picking up a 2006 Legacy GT 5MT wagon in the summer, but this news might make me hold off for the 2007s to see what is in store. I just hope the new nose isn't too nasty...

Not possible, I'm sorry to say, at least in the US. Subaru now offers the LGT wagon with AT only for 2006 models. You can still get an Outback 2.5 XT wagon with MT.

[petmor]

It will sport RE92As.

Good thing that I got RE50's then;)

[Double-V]

Not possible, I'm sorry to say, at least in the US. Subaru now offers the LGT wagon with AT only for 2006 models. You can still get an Outback 2.5 XT wagon with MT.

We still have the 5MT with the 2006 LGT wagon in Canada. We can only get the limited though, which is what I would want anyway.

[tintinet]

We still have the 5MT with the 2006 LGT wagon in Canada. We can only get the limited though, which is what I would want anyway.

Lucky Canadians. I picked up the last, AFAIK, new 05 LGT Limited wagon in Maine. I switched from an 02 WRX, Cobb Stage II. Although I loved the WRX, I'm glad I made the move to the LGT. 650 miles so far. AP, stage I, TDC tune, stage II, Ion springs lie ahead!

[BadB_Spec]

I know how to make the Spec B sell, for $37k

300 HP
6 speed manual
Nav
and a WAGON version, dammit.

Ya, dont know why the 06' wasnt that way from the start!:icon_bigg

[SWortham]

I expect that whatever they offer in '07, whether it be another spec B or improvements to the GT, will become the undisputed stronger performer than the Mazdaspeed 6. I think that's a realistic assumption. They could probably do that with the spec B suspension & brakes, better tires than the RE92's, a 6-speed transmission, and better ECU tuning.

[IwannaSportSedan]

All those things I would wait for. Without those things, and just an appearance update... I might get a discounted 06...

Somebody (who won't lose their job for it...) make with the details!!! Enquiring minds want to know!

[iyamdman]

I know how to make the Spec B sell, for $37k

300 HP
6 speed manual
Nav
and a WAGON version, dammit.
A-men brother!!!

We all know that only real men with big clanking brass balls drive wagons!!!

Being packed in the back is not for C-Dan drivers!

More bass in your face!!!

MS - nice meeting you a CES!!

I didn't know the Spec B is selling slow.

What is slow?

What was SOA's expectations?

Why wouldn't a car that is basically the same as the LGT, but costs more - not sell slow?

Product differentiation between price points is an issue in any industry.

Surely someone in the marketing deptment of SOA must have a Marketing Degree - or at least watched some Trump TV.

God forbid they actually increase the HP, that might help them sell more cars - no I think they will take the easy way out and stuff a 6sp in it.

Yeah, that's it - then the Spec B could be just like a BMW or Audi - kinda...

Ya mon, put 300 hp in a Spec B, and for $36k - and SOA could then actually take some sales away from BMW and Audi.

Hell, make a Spec B wagon, then they would own the f-ing world!!!!

[rfd425]

Being packed in the back is not for C-Dan drivers!
Uh, yeah, I'll leave getting "packed in the back" to you wagon guys...:lol:

Surely someone in the marketing deptment of SOA must have a Marketing Degree - or at least watched some Trump TV.

God forbid they actually increase the HP, that might help them sell more cars - no I think they will take the easy way out and stuff a 6sp in it.
Someone in the marketing department of SOA ought to be fired for screwing it up so badly. Now don't get me wrong, Spec B guys, it's a very nice car. I just think that it would have been much better received if it had been more of a performance-oriented package, like the Aussie "Liberty tuned by STi". If it had 285 hp (a simple ECU tune), better brakes, and a factory STi spring option, it would have really captured the imagination of Subaru enthusiasts and sport-sedan enthusiasts alike.

The funny thing is that the 6-speed is probably more expensive for SOA than giving the car more power.

[skibum]

Guys I would love to say...but since I work at a dealership I have this confidentiality thing I have to follow...

I will say this...in '07 it will have something it "should've" had to begin with as all the other countries where it's sold get this...and the interior won't be so "shocking" it's just be better...


...as soon as I get the "official" announcement on this, I post better details...but you should be able to figure it out if you are the smart!

Opie, any hope for us wagonmeisters in '07?

[KINGSKY]

Legacy better come out with something very very nice, otherwise i'll be forced to get an M3 or teh porsche Cayman S...


RANDi

[tintinet]

I actually did consider the Carrera 4, but the back seats and trunk are too small!

[jond_68]

Legacy better come out with something very very nice, otherwise i'll be forced to get an M3 or teh porsche Cayman S...


RANDi

I don't understand why you are saying the above. Base MSRP on the M3 is 48,000 according to Edmunds.com, and base MSRP on the Cayman S is 58,900. Edmunds has the Spec. B MSRP at 34,000. You are saying that a car costing 14,000 less and 24,000 less respectively, better make vast improvements to entice you to buy. Would you be willing to pay the 10,000 or so to have a Subaru model more evenly compete with the cars you just mentioned? I doubt it. That would be a car that most Subaru customers would not consider, simply due to price. If you look at the Road and Track comparasion test, the Spec. B came in first (when price was factored in) to a select group of cars, including a BMW 325XI costing 40,000. These are the types of cars that the Spec. b should be compared to.

[twisted]

SWEET! A small monkey in the dash cubby to shout directions at me in hindi!


oye bhenchod....that was a left at devon u randi!!!
or i can send u a cd with hindi curses to play all day....gandu

[twisted]

oye bhenchod....that was a left at devon u randi!!!
or i can send u a cd with hindi curses to play all day....gandu


i better put a disclaimer on this:
if u use those words to an indian..especially the first one...u will get ur ass handed to u in T-10...so dont say u werent warned u silly weetard

[twisted]

Yours speaks Hindi? Mine does Urdu

I was thinking that the horn would have the sound of Nelson's "ha-ha" when you pushed on it. I heard they have that in the spec. B in Japan. :lol:

damn u mustve got the hacked paki version....reformat and reload ...u'll be good to go...oh and be sure to check under the car for strapped terrorist bombers sponsored by ISI.
good luck

[BrownBoy]

:icon_surp Now the LGTers have another word to call each other...gotta be the indians teaching the other kids the bad words in hindi, or other respective indian languages...its like this all over the country huh?
Isn't it enough that they call each ricers, dumba--es, and sometimes(alot) dont get along? :lol:
I know Devon...that's that street on Chicago right? OMG! It's craziness....


To stay on topic...I might pick me up a Spec. B when I'm out of school...looks promising...maybe...

[twisted]

[quote=rfd425]Uh, yeah, I'll leave getting "packed in the back" to you wagon guys...:lol:

quote]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[sebberry]

My dream STi Legacy: (In order of importance)


-WAGON with sunroof
-H6 3.0 with a turbo for 350 lb ft of torque
-Spec B suspension with the STi Pink springs (I hear this is a fantastic combination), stiffer sway bars and all aluminium bits. Preferably double wishbone up front.
-Audi like DSG transmission OR
-5MT (or 6, I really couldn't care less - in fact I have prefered the 5MT's that I have driven over the 6's)
-McIntosh audio system with the 13 speakers... heck even a Kia minivan gets a 13 speaker infinity audio system!!!
-18" Wheels
-VTD AWD on the Manual, VDC optional
-Alcantara seating surfaces
-LED tail lights, yellow rear turn signals and LED front yellow turn signals with clear reflector housing
-LED Turn signals remian on mirrors
More adjustability for driver seat (the Subaru designers need to sit in a Dodge RAM, that seat rocks!)
-Coin tray where the inside fuse box cover is (I miss this SO much from my 1990 Legacy, coins now fill up my cupholder and I hate that)
-Navi optional (I have better things to spend 2 grand on, but some may want this)
-HID's optional (Call me crazy but I am probably one of the few people who don't like them)
-Auto up drivers window with a master one touch all up/all down button
-Adaptive cruse control

My reason for the wagon is simple - it is more useful than the sedan, even if it came with fold down seats. Who wants a car that guzzles gas like a turbo 6 would which is not useful for them?


If Subaru says one more time that there is little to no demand for these features, especially the drivetrain, I will shit a brick. Look at the new Jeep SRT8... who buys a lowered Jeep with brembos and a 0-60 time that most sport exotics would bow down too? They created the market with the whole Hemi revival and Subaru can create a market too. Sure, make it a Limited production, but add some meat to the offering. The spec B is nice and all but I would much rather pay the 2 grand that the navi costs me and get a nicer motor. Make it a kick ass car and people will buy. Make it a hyped up and nicely trimmed version of an existing car (Spec b is to the GT) and people won't appreciate it. AND BRING IT TO CANADA!

I need a job, I wonder if Subaru can do with another marketing guy...

[axis008]

By '07 did you mean in 2007 or the 2007 model year?? :p

Thanks Opie! You're our savior.

[SLegacy99]

Id like to see a 6 speed (NO AUTO OPTION) and an EJ50...or how bout just 300 hp. I think a 200 watt stereo would be nice too and maybe heated rear seats.

IF you wanna get picky, variable steering and thing that BMWs do so that you stop smoothly without having to relieve any pressure youre applying to the pedal. In addition to that heated wipers....if not already??

Forgot, HIDS are a must. How is the Legacy supposed to be taken seriously as a luxury vehicle without xenon?

[SLegacy99]

Question. When you refer to the 3.0L NA what kinda output we talkin?

Cause I dont see the point of less torque though same hp.

[sebberry]

The Legacy isn't a luxury vehicle. It is an entry-luxury performance vehicle. No car that has a 2.5l base engine and cloth seats on the base model is a luxury car. Do you ever see a cloth seated Lexus? If they wanted to go luxury, they would need a different platform, as the current one is not perceived as a luxury car platform. Just my way of saying I don't want HIDs. The money would be better spent on LED rear tail-lighting. By saying that the car cannot be considered entry-luxury without HIDs is saying that they are primarily for appearance.

If the car came with a 350HP turbo 6 (I say turbo as they simply won't get the performance figures out of an NA 3.0, that and I like turbos for the mountains), they should offer an automatic transmission - who knows... maybe it will be a better ride with smoother shifting. Optimally, a DSG like transmission would be standard.

Stereo wattage - meh... I want sound quality, I couldn't care about loudness (to a certain degree) Give me the McIntosh system and I will be happy - heck, get Harmon/Kardon to do a more OEM look and I will be even more happy (IMO the McIntosh stereo, as nice as it may be, looks a bit out of place as it is now)

The wiper park position on the windshield is heated, but heated washer nozzles or a heated washer fluid reservoir would be a great addition as part of a cold weather package.

[sebberry]

the NA 3.0 puts out 218 lb-ft of torque, which is why I say the 3.0 needs a turbo

[SLegacy99]

The Legacy isn't a luxury vehicle. It is an entry-luxury performance vehicle. No car that has a 2.5l base engine and cloth seats on the base model is a luxury car. Do you ever see a cloth seated Lexus? If they wanted to go luxury, they would need a different platform, as the current one is not perceived as a luxury car platform. Just my way of saying I don't want HIDs. The money would be better spent on LED rear tail-lighting. By saying that the car cannot be considered entry-luxury without HIDs is saying that they are primarily for appearance.


Actually I am proclaiming the Legacy a luxury vehicle. An ex girlfriend recently sent me an ad from a 1986 Life Magazine. In the ad SOA marketed the GL as a luxury coupe. THE GL! Therefore since I have leather, woodgrain, and the heated washer fluid (but not wipers) I consider the Legacy as a luxury sedan. However, what would really do it for me would be rear butt massagers. hehehehe.

Agreed, LED tails would be cool and HIDs could be optional, as they are on many luxury cars.

[SLegacy99]

the NA 3.0 puts out 218 lb-ft of torque, which is why I say the 3.0 neets a turbo

Thats the answer I was lookin for.

[SuperhawkLGT]

Actually Therefore since I have leather, woodgrain, and the heated washer fluid (but not wipers) I consider the Legacy as a luxury sedan. However,.

How did you get heated washer fluid?

[SLegacy99]

heated sprayers was one of the options for the '99 Limited. I have the spec sheet somewhere. Woulda figured though that you guys woulda had heated sprayers too.

[fzanetti]

heated washer fluid? Damn, GM is doing all these TV Commercials about the Buick Lucern and we had this back on 99???

I wish our cars came with it.....

Flavio Zanetti
Boston, MA

[axis008]

BTW with regards to the variable steering, I read somewhere that for performance driving it's no bueno. :( I know that the Legacy is supposed to be catered for luxury, but with all that power, you gotta have fun sometimes! Can't let the direct steering feel disappear.

[sebberry]

Yeh, I am not sold on that variable steering thing either... nothing like a CVT bolted onto your steering column :D Actually, I don't know how it works nor have I driven a Bimmer with it, but I agree, I like the feel of the direct steering.

As for the washer fluid heater, there is an aftermarkey system you can buy to heat the lines. Proper Winter antifreeze won't freeze in the container, but heated fluid will melt ice on the windows quicker.

http://www.canadiantire.ca/assortments/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=140847439 6669671&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524443285107&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=1408474396670271&bmUID=1140338023038&assortment=primary&fromSearch=true

[sebberry]

Agreed, LED tails would be cool and HIDs could be optional, as they are on many luxury cars.

YAY! someone who agrees they should be optional! :D

You're my new best (internet) friend

[derffred]

The Legacy isn't a luxury vehicle. It is an entry-luxury performance vehicle. No car that has a 2.5l base engine and cloth seats on the base model is a luxury car.


Actually Mercedes has a few vehicles with cloth seats as a base model.. The C class, the ML, and the new R-class too.. plus they don't come standard with xenons.. it's an option

[SLegacy99]

Ya know, I didnt think I would like variable steering either until I drove it. Twas cool.

As the Xenons, yeah, I figure if the driver doesnt want them they shouldnt have to have them. I would still get them though.

[derffred]

what's the variable steering? describe it

[red beast]

Subaru's are practical

who needs to heat washer fluid?

if anything i want better fuel economy and more power in my h-6

[SWP-LegacyGT]

well it looks as if SOMONE is spilling the beans a little early eh Opie? :|

[SLegacy99]

what's the variable steering? describe it

Surely there's somone who can describe it better than me but Ill take a stab anyway.

Essentially your steering sensitivity varies. So if you were to jerk the wheel real hard to the right you wouldnt just completely swerve off the road. But when you need the sensitivity to vary and make a turn it does.

[axis008]

Variable steering is essentially variable steering ratios.

When you are driving slow, you have to turn the wheel a little to turn a lot.
When you are driving faster, you have to turn the wheel more to turn a little.

Catch my drift?

[franklin]

Six speed manual is coming.

[sebberry]

Actually Mercedes has a few vehicles with cloth seats as a base model.. The C class, the ML, and the new R-class too.. plus they don't come standard with xenons.. it's an option

Probably because North Americans are one of the few people who consider Mercedes a Luxury brand, in europe, they are pretty much a dime a dozen, and that's why we see cloth equipped Benzes here.

I sat in a couple of the base models, and trust me, they are far from luxurious.

I like their approach with optional HIDs...

[sebberry]

Subaru's are practical

who needs to heat washer fluid?

if anything i want better fuel economy and more power in my h-6

You drive a sedan with no fold down rear seats... you aren't allowed to call Subarus practical :icon_bigg

On another note, yes.. they are pratical - hence the heated washer fluid.. ever spent time scraping frozen rain off the windshield? I'd much rather be in the car and press the washer button to do that for me.

I agree that Subaru could work with their fuel economy a bit - then again we are constantly being exposed to very good numbers from Toyota and Honda, and who knows if those figures are actually being achieved?

[tintinet]

Re: mileage.

Consumer Reports:


Consumer Reports finds vehicles often get worse gas mileage than the figures listed on the manufacturer's sticker, especially for city driving. For example, a four-cylinder Chevrolet Malibu has an EPA estimate of 24 mpg in city driving, but Consumer Reports only achieved 16 mpg in our city test. That's one-third less fuel economy. The Dodge Stratus four-cylinder model is estimated to get 22 mpg in the city, but achieved just 14 mpg in our city test. And the four-wheel drive Nissan Armada, which the manufacturer's sticker says should get 13 mpg for city driving, got a mere 9 mpg in our test. That means driving around town, you'd get about 100 miles less on a tank of gas.

Hybrid owners haven't been exempt from feeling this pinch either. In our testing, we fell way short of EPA estimates of 60 mpg city and 51 mpg highway. Our Prius managed only 35 mpg in the city and 50 mpg on the highway, with an average of 44 mpg overall. The Prius still provides the best fuel economy we've recorded in a five-passenger vehicle, but it's not nearly as high as the EPA figures would have you believe.

The Honda Civic Hybrid had similar results. Our tested 2003 Hybrid sedan with a CVT returned 26 mpg in the city and 45 mpg on the highway, with an overall average of 36 mpg. The EPA quotes 48 mpg city and 47 mpg highway.
"When we do our tests, it's on the road and it gives us a much more realistic evaluation of the fuel economy of each vehicle," says Champion. The EPA is currently re-evaluating how it measures fuel efficiency.
Hybrid owners may be particularly disappointed with their mileage, considering hybrids typically cost more than similarly sized and equipped conventional cars.

[IwannaSportSedan]

I've sort of wondered that... and I have heard that hybrids aren't living up to their astronomical fuel efficiency numbers.

We'll probably be lucky enough to have the EPA re-evaluate their procedure, and their new one will be closer to accurate, and lower across the board, and the greenie lobbyists will insist that current EPA targets in coming years should not only stay as high, but go higher, WIDENING the gap between actual and expectation, and feeding environmentalist's ire.

And meanwhile, as the car companies try to leap that wider gap, cars get more complex, more expensive, possibly less reliable and less powerful, and potentially less environmentally freindly overall... like more hybrids dumping more lead-acid batteries into the disposal system in a decade or two... Nobody seems to mention that...

[SLegacy99]

On Gas Milage:

My brother's girfriend's Prius gets about 47 city. But Im not surprised at having lower than expected numbers. With only 68 horses you have to push that pedal to get moving.

As for My Legacy, well its rated 27 for the hwy and I get 30.

[Tide]

wait, what thread am I reading?

[SLegacy99]

Uh oh!

:offtopic:

[IwannaSportSedan]

YAh. FAR, FAR from the topic.

I'll get us back...

Do you all think Opie is largely correct, that the 07 Spec B will be a full trim-line, not limited production, available in all the GT colors, and two interior color options (with already mentioned 6MT and feature upgrades...)

OR

Do you think Jon in CT is correct, that the 07 Spec B will have the technical upgrades, but be only Gray and black/blue color combo, and even MORE limited in numbers than the 06 Spec B.

Or Neither... I am feeling a little verklempt, talk amongst yourselves...

[SLegacy99]

I think it will be just as limited as it is now. The limited editions are always, well limited.

[IwannaSportSedan]

GT spec B and 3.0R Spec B overseas are not limited edition. They are full production models... perhaps with a bit less inventory... but they are listed in the trim configurations...

Spec B doesn't HAVE to be Limited Edition in the US... the question is... Will it be next year?

[rfd425]

I am feeling a little verklempt...That's cool, as long as she's of legal age! ;)

[petmor]

GT spec B and 3.0R Spec B overseas are not limited edition. They are full production models... perhaps with a bit less inventory... but they are listed in the trim configurations...

Spec B doesn't HAVE to be Limited Edition in the US... the question is... Will it be next year?

What do you men by "perhaps with a bit less inventory" ?
The only option I could buy from Subaru was metallic paint when I bought my spec B here in Euroland

[IwannaSportSedan]

I just thought that perhaps the 3.0R spec b is sold or is held in inventory with slightly fewer units available than other trim models, like the regular 3.0R.

I don't know that for sure, and perhaps the 3.0R spec B is more common than the regular 3.0R... you tell me...

But the euro/Aus/Japanese 3.0R spec B isn't limited to 500 units of one configuration, like the USDM 2.5GT Spec B is. That is my main point.

[SLegacy99]

Hmmm...

Anyone know the numbers of Limiteds from recent years?
There 528 1999 Limiteds, I can tell you that (and have) but Im interested to see how Subaru produced them with the bodystyle changover(S).

[Rhumb]

Being a noobie here, but wouldn't most of the major hardware on a WRX STI be essentially bolt in for a Legacy Spec B (making it sort of a Legacy STI but aimed more for grownups)? Seems like Subaru ought to go the full ten yards with the Spec B and drop in the 300hp motor, six speed drive train, Brembos, truly uprated suspension and shoes, and really kick open the competitive door to the performance AWD sedan market. Keep the styling reasonably subdued with just a few tasteful enhancements (leave the circus-come-to-town styling for the STI) and you would have a car that could really give M3s, S4s, C55s some pause, all for $10-20K less easily.

What's holding Subaru back? Afraid of rustling their competitions feathers? Didn't they learn anything from the run-away success of the WRX and STI on the Imprezza platform?

Is it just me or is this just an agonizingly obvious expansion of the Legacy platform rather than the timid current Spec B?

[sebberry]

Most of the components would work except for some of the drivetrain bits from the smaller Impreza platform. When you say "for groqnups" tho, that is where I want to see a Turbo H6 3.0 in the car, not the 300HP 2.5 from the STi.

Why? First of all, it is more refined - when people put modified exhausts on the car it is going to sound more grownup and less boy racer (although people have successfully avoided the boy racer from the current Legacy when upgrading the exhaust). A smoother engine would make for a smoother driving experience, which grownups tend to like.

Second, a bigger engine is going to have a more usable torque curve. Until you get higher into the revs, there is no replacement for displacement. Many times I feel like I am driving a civic when coming out of a corner in 2nd gear and the turbo hasn't spooled up yet, then I get the kick once I have already reached the speed limit. A bigger engine will give better torque down low, and improve turbo response - another plus is that a bigger turbo can be used with no increase in turbo lag for better top end performance.

My only concern is that current WRX STi's in Canada sell for almost $50,000CDN, who knows what a Legact STi will go for... $55,000? $60,000? nobody will buy them.

[Rhumb]

sebberry, yeah, agreed, I think a Turbo H6 would be most ideal for a Legacy for all the reasons you state. I was contemplating adapting existing STI bits mostly for expediency's sake than anything else. But a Porche'esque redline howl would be a definite step up the foodchain from the flat four staccato thrum.

Just seems like Subaru is sitting on soooo much parts bin potential and I just can't figure why they don't take better advantage of it. They really seem rather trepidatious inspite of the huge successess of the WRX/STI. They finally have a car that looks genuinely good rather than, errr, "different" (goofy) with class standard refinements. Now if they just make a full-court press forward with all the unique engineering attributes available to them, the skiy's the limit.

Anyway, I don't mean to sound like the current LGT is bad, quite the opposite as it seems to be quite the unrecognized performance sedan sleeper, though the R&T article may let the cat of of the bag on that. I for one, despite being quite a car buff and even a former Subaru (DL) owner, totally had overlooked the LGT until that R&T article kicked me in the arse. Now I can't get over as to what an undiscovered performance car it is and boggle as to the huge potential this model has if SOA would show a bit of boldness.

[d12agonxboi]

hopefully there will be some real specs on the 2007. I've been thinking about buying an 06 GT but would love to have a 6MT and higher HP.

[heightsgtltd]

hopefully there will be some real specs on the 2007. I've been thinking about buying an 06 GT but would love to have a 6MT and higher HP.

Welcome to the board!

You may not realize this, but some of the people posting in this thread are actually in the know and have reliable info.

[derffred]

Surely there's somone who can describe it better than me but Ill take a stab anyway.

Essentially your steering sensitivity varies. So if you were to jerk the wheel real hard to the right you wouldnt just completely swerve off the road. But when you need the sensitivity to vary and make a turn it does.

i know a lot of luxury cars have this feature however it's a bit different from what you described... Mercedes-Benz (for example) has a feature called SPS (Senstive Power Steering).. it's pretty much a valve on the Steering Rack that varies the amount of Power Steering Assist depending on your vehicle speed.. thus at lower speeds, where you need your Power Steering the most, it allows more into the steering system which makes the steering easier.. the higher speed you're driving, the less Power Assist you're going to get..

[LegacyGT in talon]

To confirm things even more (or make it worse, depending on how optimistic you are) The 07 Spec B will mos def be in Diamond Gray Metallic with a black and blue leather (Imagine a STi interior only all leather) Plus the 6speed is a 100% confirm. It WILL be even more limited then the 06 and no full production model. As far as more power, thats unknown. If there smart they would add more power to "keep up" with the mazdaspeed 6. I know all this because i'm a sales rep at a subaru dealer and our subi rep was in here last wednesday.

[sebberry]

i know a lot of luxury cars have this feature however it's a bit different from what you described... Mercedes-Benz (for example) has a feature called SPS (Senstive Power Steering).. it's pretty much a valve on the Steering Rack that varies the amount of Power Steering Assist depending on your vehicle speed.. thus at lower speeds, where you need your Power Steering the most, it allows more into the steering system which makes the steering easier.. the higher speed you're driving, the less Power Assist you're going to get..


Most cars now have engine speed sensitave power steering, including ours.

[heightsgtltd]

To confirm things even more (or make it worse, depending on how optimistic you are) The 07 Spec B will mos def be in Diamond Gray Metallic with a black and blue leather (Imagine a STi interior only all leather) Plus the 6speed is a 100% confirm. It WILL be even more limited then the 06 and no full production model. As far as more power, thats unknown. If there smart they would add more power to "keep up" with the mazdaspeed 6. I know all this because i'm a sales rep at a subaru dealer and our subi rep was in here last wednesday.

Two-tone leather? That sounds nasty. Now if it was the alcantara leather combo, I would be into it.

Curious as to why they went from the spec. B silver to diamond gray metallic and didnt offer other options. Not surprised they are limiting spec Bs, if this year was any indication, they will have 06 spec.Bs left over way into 07 :iam: :icon_bigg

[The B4]

To confirm things even more (or make it worse, depending on how optimistic you are) The 07 Spec B will mos def be in Diamond Gray Metallic with a black and blue leather (Imagine a STi interior only all leather) Plus the 6speed is a 100% confirm. It WILL be even more limited then the 06 and no full production model. As far as more power, thats unknown. If there smart they would add more power to "keep up" with the mazdaspeed 6. I know all this because i'm a sales rep at a subaru dealer and our subi rep was in here last wednesday.


a little bird told me it's not all leather... it's black leather bolsters with blue alacantra inserts.

[sebberry]

To confirm things even more (or make it worse, depending on how optimistic you are) The 07 Spec B will mos def be in Diamond Gray Metallic with a black and blue leather (Imagine a STi interior only all leather) Plus the 6speed is a 100% confirm. It WILL be even more limited then the 06 and no full production model. As far as more power, thats unknown. If there smart they would add more power to "keep up" with the mazdaspeed 6. I know all this because i'm a sales rep at a subaru dealer and our subi rep was in here last wednesday.

Not to distrust you or in any way shoot down your "confirmations" but we have in the past had Subie salespeople here quote something that the rep has said and it never came true.

All I can say is that I hope to god the 6MT has the reverse gear position in the lower right. It was top left on the MS6 and you had to press the knob down to get it in there. It was a pain in the arse. Also, I hope the shifter retains much of it's current feel as the MS6 that I drove - well, I had no idea of what gear I was shifting in to... the gates were way to vague.

Keeping up with the MS6? Screw that, blow the motherfvcker away... H6 Turbo FTW! It'll be years before Mazda figures out how to properly turbo a V6, they can't even get the inline 4 right.

[heightsgtltd]

a little bird told me it's not all leather... it's black leather bolsters with blue alacantra inserts.


MY Man!!! :icon_bigg

[heightsgtltd]

It'll be years before Mazda figures out how to properly turbo a V6, they can't even get the inline 4 right.

Bags of ice and a wind tunnel FTW! :icon_bigg

[IwannaSportSedan]

The 6MT will very likely have the same pattern as the WRX. Reverse down to the right, with a lift ring to get there.

http://www.subaru.com/media/image/2006/impreza/accessories/C1010FE100.jpg
Official Subaru accessory decal for 6MT pattern.

Black leather and blue alcantara interior with seat heaters and coolers (as already rumored) with the 6MT, folding rear seats, MP3 input, Bluetooth, optional HIDS, and the works sounds real good. On any color besides FRAKKING GRAY!

It would be GREAT in Regal Blue Pearl. Or white. Or even black. The 06 Brick red might even look good in Garnet Red Pearl. but no. It has to be damn gray. Do I dare ask if anyone else cares about the color of their new cars?

Has anyone run the math, with current Spec B tire fitment, and the already known 6MT final drive and gear ratios... will the 6MT offer any reduction in RPM at 65mph, vs the 5MT? (will the 6MT help highway fuel economy/engine speed?)

An 07 LGT Limited again might be more attractive with the money saved for mods.

[Beanboy]

toss on a twin scroll onto the 2.5L and call it a day. Easy way to get more power down low and more up top and bigger pricetag justified without too much additional expense on Subaru's side.

Hell, Subaru should step up to twin scroll across the board.

-B

[sebberry]

folding rear seats

WAGON!!!!!

[IwannaSportSedan]

I wish they would for you, man. I've got the wagon sympathy... But as a sedan buyer, I am SOO glad that the rumor is all but completely confirmed that the 07 sedans will have slit folding rear seats.

But SOA needs to see it's way to even offer more than one COLOR! more than one body style might be just too much for them to even contemplate...

Makes me really wonder what these product planners think... "How can we offer some of what people want, and then SOUR the deal, and keep a bunch of cars in dealer inventories..." It certainly isn't: "How can we sell more of the cars people want, and make more money at it..."

[petmor]

I just thought that perhaps the 3.0R spec b is sold or is held in inventory with slightly fewer units available than other trim models, like the regular 3.0R.

I don't know that for sure, and perhaps the 3.0R spec B is more common than the regular 3.0R... you tell me...

But the euro/Aus/Japanese 3.0R spec B isn't limited to 500 units of one configuration, like the USDM 2.5GT Spec B is. That is my main point.

Ahh I get it now. No they aren't limited in any way but I guess they aren't selling in huge quantities anyway

[Jon [in CT]]

The 2007 Legacy GT spec.B will be a little easier to spot on the road thanks to a new standard feature, a BMW-esque lip spoiler on the trunk lid. I might have to get one of those for my 2006 model.

[JohnG]

I think the best single thing Subaru could have done to set the Spec B apart from the LGT would have been to put in the WRX STi engine. That would have been a cheap, off-the-shelf solution which would have required no additional R&D. If they had just done that one thing, I think the Spec B's would have all been sold within a few weeks.

Having said that, I am not in any way disappointed with the Spec B. As for the comments about the leather color being unappealing with the silver paint, all I can say is that everyone who has looked at my car raves about how beautiful it is. Only a select few have ridden in it, and even fewer have been allowed to drive it. A guy at a local auto parts store saw it and asked me if I wouldn't mind "getting on it" as I pulled out, so I did what was probably a high-5's 0-60 takeoff. His reaction was :icon_surp!!! A few days later, I was in the store again, and he couldn't stop telling his coworkers about me and my Spec B and how fast it was. He admitted that prior to that, he had never considered owning anything but a Ford Mustang, but now he wants a Subaru Legacy GT, preferably a Spec B! :)

[Zsbaug24]

I consider the largest failing of the Spec B is not having the 6 speed like everywhere else in the world. If they remedy this for the next iteration of it, I would consider it a much better deal. As it stands I am not sure its worth the asking price. I love it for its relative rarity, but its not selling because dealers are asking for more than I think its qualtitavely worth.

I am glad they made one for here though, and I hope a spec C STI shows up in the next year or two. I would absolutely buy one of those no questions asked.

[PhoenixMrx2]

I just hope the 6-speed (if in the specB) doesn't have the same ratio's as the STI box... Keep the same gears 1-5 of the current tranny and add a 6th that its basically not used except for highway cruising... 30+ mpg would be GREAT and seriously help when compared to say the MS6 and other competitors

[praedet]

I consider the largest failing of the Spec B is not having the 6 speed like everywhere else in the world. The only Spec-Bs w/6mts are in Europe and Austailia (H6). The turbo Spec-Bs in Japan and the US have the 5MT...

Ted

[wukindada]

07 Spec B.....
Changes

6MT
Bluetooth
WR Blue....I wish;)

[OppositeLock]

I just hope the 6-speed (if in the specB) doesn't have the same ratio's as the STI box... Keep the same gears 1-5 of the current tranny and add a 6th that its basically not used except for highway cruising... 30+ mpg would be GREAT and seriously help when compared to say the MS6 and other competitors

As a WRX owner waiting on the Leg 6mt, those ratios would be a serious disappointment to me as well.

[IwannaSportSedan]

I think the best single thing Subaru could have done to set the Spec B apart from the LGT would have been to put in the WRX STi engine.

As for the comments about the leather color being unappealing with the silver paint, all I can say is that everyone who has looked at my car raves about how beautiful it is.

I think a WRX STI engine would be cool, and it wouldn't even need that many parts. A revised all-metal intercooler to go between the STI's turbo, and the Legacy's intake manifold... raise the redline to 7k, and you've got it... ECU tuning, as well, of course... at least 290-300hp to compete with G35, and others sport sedans in the segment.

Some folks don't like the red leather, but I actually really like it. More than the silver paint, actually. I wish they had put the red interior in the Garnet Red, or Obsidian black car... Silver is fine for those who like it, but I wish subaru would figure out that some of us like other colors, too.

Plus, I think the rumored-for-07-specB possibility of darker gray over black and blue leather is going to be even more drab. (Unless the car is painted blue, I like the red leather better than black/blue. If the car were to be painted blue, then I would favor the black/blue/red-stitched interior.)

Good to hear that you are enjoying your new spec B. That is what is really important.

[rkl303]

Not to distrust you or in any way shoot down your "confirmations" but we have in the past had Subie salespeople here quote something that the rep has said and it never came true.

All I can say is that I hope to god the 6MT has the reverse gear position in the lower right. It was top left on the MS6 and you had to press the knob down to get it in there. It was a pain in the arse. Also, I hope the shifter retains much of it's current feel as the MS6 that I drove - well, I had no idea of what gear I was shifting in to... the gates were way to vague.

Keeping up with the MS6? Screw that, blow the motherfvcker away... H6 Turbo FTW! It'll be years before Mazda figures out how to properly turbo a V6, they can't even get the inline 4 right.
I'd think it'd be cool if it was like CL-S where the 6th gear slot is also the reverse gear slot. BUT H6 Turbo FTW definately.

[psucaptainkickass]

I think a WRX STI engine would be cool, and it wouldn't even need that many parts. A revised all-metal intercooler to go between the STI's turbo, and the Legacy's intake manifold... raise the redline to 7k, and you've got it... ECU tuning, as well, of course... at least 290-300hp to compete with G35, and others sport sedans in the segment.

Some folks don't like the red leather, but I actually really like it. More than the silver paint, actually. I wish they had put the red interior in the Garnet Red, or Obsidian black car... Silver is fine for those who like it, but I wish subaru would figure out that some of us like other colors, too.

Plus, I think the rumored-for-07-specB possibility of darker gray over black and blue leather is going to be even more drab. (Unless the car is painted blue, I like the red leather better than black/blue. If the car were to be painted blue, then I would favor the black/blue/red-stitched interior.)

Good to hear that you are enjoying your new spec B. That is what is really important.
Good points! We already compete with the G35 in my opinion though, at least in performance.

[prodriver1]

why is this so important to you? and don't tell me because you have dogs or to haul large, heavy items, cause there's no way you're placing large, heavy items or letting your dogs stomp all over that beautiful audio equipment

Passing a mustang in a turbo LGT is one thing, doing it in a wagon is much funner.:icon_twis

[IwannaSportSedan]

Good points! We already compete with the G35 in my opinion though, at least in performance.

Yeah, that is true, but that published/advertized horsepower number still has a psychological effect on buyers, and the actual effect of 290-300hp is probably enough to really nail that coffin closed.

Stage 2 Legacy owners can probably attest to that...

[Yukonart]

Yeah, that is true, but that published/advertized horsepower number still has a psychological effect on buyers, and the actual effect of 290-300hp is probably enough to really nail that coffin closed.

Stage 2 Legacy owners can probably attest to that...


And then it sinks in to some buyers that they can have that performance in a useful WAGON, and some make the smart choice to go for it, some prefer the "looks" even though they could benefit from the usefulness.

Oh well, variety is the spice of life.

[rallispec]

i'm going to laugh when the new legacy's come out with all these awesome new features -- BUT, it will also come with the new subaru front end, a beautifully hideous front grill.


anyways, i'd like to see some cool new stuff come added, but it will probably jack up the price even more.. and then we'll see even less of them out there on the road becuase people won't pay for it.

[IwannaSportSedan]

I am hoping 07 will be the sweet spot. a few more useful features than 05-06 (folding sedan seats, stereo input... both high confidence/confirmed.) but the schnozz isn't supposed to arrive until 08, and the full model re-fresh. 07 appearance wise doesn't sound like it will be much different in the appearance category than 05-06.

IF the schnozz doesn't get lambasted, and dropped by then. Rumors also have it that the Tribeca isn't being as well recieved as they had hoped, and it may be LOSING the schnozz for 08.

SO, I'd not count on anything set in stone just yet, appearance wise. the biggest clue will likely be preliminary concepts for an actual Impreza platform replacement (not the B5-TPS, which is even uglier) later this year or early next year, to see if subaru is sticking with the schnozz.

[ion]

bump for Opie and Jon (CT) - any more news, hints - somthing?

[Jedi Pimp]

another bump. Want confirmation of fold down seats above everything else heard so far. 60/40 split FTW!!! I heard the SE version of the new Camry has crossbracing and dosen't even have fold down rears now. Hmmmm....

[ion]

Fold down rear seats aren't that big a deal to me.
What is:

6MT
VDC
HID
Better stereo (iPod connect maybe?)
Better brakes (does not have to be Brembo)
MORE HP!!! (maybe 280 with the new "sport" mode engaged, etc.)
More Aggresive exterior differences - lip spoiler, wheels, etc.

Oh hell - sounds like a STI Legacy.. haha :lol:

[Rhumb]

More Aggresive exterior differences - lip spoiler, wheels, etc.
I kinda like the subtle and sophisticated styling of the Spec B, makes for a great Q-Ship for not raising the unwanted attentions of Johny Law. Leave the adolescent styling ques to the, well, adolescents and their STIs, and leave a more discreet SpecB for those of us beyond our Clearasil years. Better to spend those development bucks and efforts on genuine go-fast engineering rather than peacock pagentry pieces.

I think one of the coolest traits of the LGT/Spec B is its develishly sly performance personna as it stealthily evicerates any number of unsuspecting flashy show boaters.

Subaru can market the STI to the 18-30 year old age group, with all the attendant boy racer glitter that appeals to that demographic. Then market the Spec B to the 30+ crowd that doesn't need to have their performance ride look like some tuner clown show.

Of course, if anyone wants to pimp their Legacy to match their gold chains and backward baseball cap, many an aftermarket will be more than happy to relieve them of their money for whatever cheap fiberglass, stickers or bright shiny things their hearts desire.:icon_bigg

[SLegacy99]

Goldchains? No! Oversized wall clock around my neck is how intend to match my vehicle to my personality.

[Rhumb]

Goldchains? No! Oversized wall clock around my neck is how intend to match my vehicle to my personality.
Of course, wall-clock necklace, this ol geezer keep up with MTV a bit more.

But I do hope Subaru keeps the LGT/Spec B as a thinking man's sport sedan rather than pimp it up as some adolescent gland mobile.

[Ditchhanger]

I kinda like the subtle and sophisticated styling of the Spec B, makes for a great Q-Ship for not raising the unwanted attentions of Johny Law. Leave the adolescent styling ques to the, well, adolescents and their STIs, and leave a more discreet SpecB for those of us beyond our Clearasil years. Better to spend those development bucks and efforts on genuine go-fast engineering rather than peacock pagentry pieces.

I think one of the coolest traits of the LGT/Spec B is its develishly sly performance personna as it stealthily evicerates any number of unsuspecting flashy show boaters.

Subaru can market the STI to the 18-30 year old age group, with all the attendant boy racer glitter that appeals to that demographic. Then market the Spec B to the 30+ crowd that doesn't need to have their performance ride look like some tuner clown show.

Of course, if anyone wants to pimp their Legacy to match their gold chains and backward baseball cap, many an aftermarket will be more than happy to relieve them of their money for whatever cheap fiberglass, stickers or bright shiny things their hearts desire.:icon_bigg

Well said...although a few subtle differences can't hurt. But I do agree with you 95%! And FYI...I am 30 and already sold my STi... ;)

[IwannaSportSedan]

I don't think you are going to have reason to worry.

The lip spoiler people seem to be talking about is the lip spoiler from Japan that is pictured on the silver car in this site's header. Subtle.

Lip spoilers generally look more subtle and sophisticated than wing spoilers, even the modest wing spoiler the Legacy currently gets.

If the Legacy variants from around the world are any indication, I don't think the Legacy is going to get too "boy-racer" for you.

But having the Legacy GT Spec B looking a little more agressively sporty than the regular 2.5i and even the LGT, can't be a bad thing. The JDM 2.0 GT Spec B, STI-tuned, Blitzen, and 3.0R Spec B don't seem to do too badly with it...

SOA certainly isn't going to do anything as radical as the Gialla or Hipposleek body kits, or anything like that. There is a good chance, that aside from a trunk lip spoiler rather than the LGT wing spoiler... it might not be any different. the 06 Spec B certainly wasn't over-the-top, with color being the only differentiation. (and I hope the color department gets an upgrade on choice.)

And by more aggressive wheels... a half inch or an inch of extra width added to the spec B wheel would be nice. The design itself is nice, especially for an OEM wheel. Not exactly something that screams "pimp-my-ride".

[ion]

^ +1 what I was trying to say about more aggressive looks

[ScoobyLife]

Can't wait to see some spy shots of this car. :)

[ion]

bump for Opie and Jon (CT) - the wait is killing us.. haha

[The B4]

NY Autoshow FTW!

[godwhomismike]

NY Autoshow FTW!


I'll be there again this year :)

[smoss]

I have been to the NY auto show every year for more than 10 years. I will be there again this year !!!!!!!!!!!! :)

It's kinda a reunion with all my college friends.

[keith05legacyGT]

Dang Rhumb, don't hate just because you don't like a certain type of car/style/group :icon_bigg

I am 38 and drive both a SpecB and an STi ('06). No gold chains (do where a tag watch though) and ball caps make my head look too fat so I don't wear those much either. My Spec B is perfect for daily commuting, going out and about, etc. but it can't touch the STi when it comes to track days, autoX and rallyX....especially in an all stock class. Yes people do actually buy these cars for these reasons.

Besides, you are only as old as you feel ;)

[ion]

+1 if you can have both - that' s the best of both worlds! Live in MD huh? Curious - where do you AutoX/Track at?

[keith05legacyGT]

AutoX is starting up again with the BMW NCC. Usually down in bowie. This will be the first time with this group, even though I've been a member for a while now. Cheaper and more convenient than going to the track all the time.

RallyX I have not done with an STi. WDCR (SCCA) does it down in Orange, VA. Let my membership lapse after I broke my '98 OBS, but may give that a whirl later on too.