View Full Version : Tires are bad. Whats with this?
I see it all over here...."the Bridgestone Potenza RE-92's are crapola."
"This car would do so much better with better tires"
"yadda, yadda, yadda"
Seeing as I don't currently have a LGT yet.....what is the REASON for this general consensus?
Are these tires:
Bad in the dry?
Bad in the rain?
Bad in the snow?
Wear too quickly?
Wear like iron?
Prone to cupping?
Not grippy enough?
Not round?
There really is no "perfect" tire. And usually OEM tires aren't know for their "high quality", so..... what is it about these tires specifically guys, that stink so bad?
Don't be afraid of being too technical.....while I'm no expert, my tire knowledge is vast.
Deer Killer
09-01-2004, 09:15 AM
Look at the tirerack ratings, apparently all of the above..
BookemDano
09-01-2004, 09:20 AM
Look at 1010Tires.com...
The RE92 rates #252 out of 254 All Weather tires. It is the worst of the worst. The Toyo Proxes 4 is rated at the top. I had Toyo's installed two days ago. World of difference.
Regards,
Dan.
gtguy
09-01-2004, 10:14 AM
I see it all over here...."the Bridgestone Potenza RE-92's are crapola."
"This car would do so much better with better tires"
"yadda, yadda, yadda"
Seeing as I don't currently have a LGT yet.....what is the REASON for this general consensus?
Are these tires:
Bad in the dry?
Bad in the rain?
Bad in the snow?
Wear too quickly?
Wear like iron?
Prone to cupping?
Not grippy enough?
Not round?
There really is no "perfect" tire. And usually OEM tires aren't know for their "high quality", so..... what is it about these tires specifically guys, that stink so bad?
Don't be afraid of being too technical.....while I'm no expert, my tire knowledge is vast.
The RE92s are, for most consumers, a fine tire. They have sufficient grip, and are a good all-season bit of rubber. They can be improved on the Legacy GT by bumping up the pressure.
But for the enthusiast, who is using more of the car's available performance, you can circle "all of the above" for the RE92. Because of the highish mileage the tires provide, they tend to be harder, with a bit more plastic in them. This accounts for the mediocre performance when drived spiritedly, in wet conditions. In snow, again, you can get going fine. It's braking and turning that must be done gingerly.
Some people view the RE92 as a "learning" tire. They teach you to stay within the limits of the car, and learn to drive smoothly. The dry grip characteristics don't tolerate tossing the car around hooliganism gladly.
The RE92s are often reviled, but I think this is unfair. As I said above, they aren't a bad tire for civilians. But as you use more of the car, their deficiencies become more apparent. So the two options become be careful, or get new tires. Most people choose the latter.
Kevin
Drift Monkey
09-01-2004, 10:14 AM
They are grappy tireds.
kanoswrx
09-01-2004, 10:17 AM
They are fine for people who just drive around like an 80 year old. But they are not fine for the true potential this car really has.
Dr. Zevil
09-01-2004, 10:24 AM
They are grappy tireds.
Very informative.. :roll:
To be honest i can't really comment on the RE-92s that came on the GT because I haven't had to deal with them. I swapped them out before I took delivery. I can comment on the RE92's on the WRX which are an even WORSE tire than the version on the GT. They had extreme sidewall flex, they were pretty pathetic as far as all weather conditions traction. they were livable in snow and rain, but they didn't do anything right.
A move to upscale for Subaru could be as simple as supplying some decent OEM rubber.
Drift Monkey
09-01-2004, 10:27 AM
They are grappy tireds.
Very informative.. :roll:
To be honest i can't really comment on the RE-92s that came on the GT because I haven't had to deal with them. I swapped them out before I took delivery. I can comment on the RE92's on the WRX which are an even WORSE tire than the version on the GT. They had extreme sidewall flex, they were pretty pathetic as far as all weather conditions traction. they were livable in snow and rain, but they didn't do anything right.
A move to upscale for Subaru could be as simple as supplying some decent OEM rubber.
Maybe uninformative, but that's what it comes down to. They are among the crappiest all seasons one can find and don't do anything well at all.
SUBE555
09-01-2004, 10:31 AM
Sounds like a Baja, DM. :lol:
It's spec on if you like to have fun with your car, the shortcomings (all listed above) wil be ever more apparent the more you push the car. Better rubber will not feel like the car is being pushed so hard and will bring about more confidance, but know your limits and the limits of the conditions you are driving in.
I see it all over here...."the Bridgestone Potenza RE-92's are crapola."
"This car would do so much better with better tires"
"yadda, yadda, yadda"
Seeing as I don't currently have a LGT yet.....what is the REASON for this general consensus?
Are these tires:
Bad in the dry?
Bad in the rain?
Bad in the snow?
Wear too quickly?
Wear like iron?
Prone to cupping?
Not grippy enough?
Not round?
There really is no "perfect" tire. And usually OEM tires aren't know for their "high quality", so..... what is it about these tires specifically guys, that stink so bad?
Don't be afraid of being too technical.....while I'm no expert, my tire knowledge is vast.
The RE92s are, for most consumers, a fine tire. They have sufficient grip, and are a good all-season bit of rubber. They can be improved on the Legacy GT by bumping up the pressure.
But for the enthusiast, who is using more of the car's available performance, you can circle "all of the above" for the RE92. Because of the highish mileage the tires provide, they tend to be harder, with a bit more plastic in them. This accounts for the mediocre performance when drived spiritedly, in wet conditions. In snow, again, you can get going fine. It's braking and turning that must be done gingerly.
Some people view the RE92 as a "learning" tire. They teach you to stay within the limits of the car, and learn to drive smoothly. The dry grip characteristics don't tolerate tossing the car around hooliganism gladly.
The RE92s are often reviled, but I think this is unfair. As I said above, they aren't a bad tire for civilians. But as you use more of the car, their deficiencies become more apparent. So the two options become be careful, or get new tires. Most people choose the latter.
Kevin
I lived with r92's on my wrx for a while and the real problem is in the wet. This is where I disagree with Kevin's comment. I didn't expect much in the snow, and I didn't get much, but it doesn't claim to be a snow tire. I should be able to drive safely in the rain, without much fear of hydroplaning. I felt very unstable with these tires on wet roads, even driving normal speeds.
SUBE555
09-01-2004, 10:35 AM
The RE92's all are M&S rated meaning they are supposed to be able to handle some snow.
BookemDano
09-01-2004, 10:38 AM
The RE92s are, for most consumers, a fine tire. They have sufficient grip, and are a good all-season bit of rubber.
Kevin
Kevin,
The big problem with the RE92's is safety in wet weather. Even in the few days I had them, when driving on wet streets, they felt loose. The rear tires even broke free a couple of times in a turn. That was VERY disconcerting!
One fellow had a very bad accident because his GT hit a puddle and hydroplaned. The car spun 2 and 1/2 times and slammed into a guard rail. It was totaled. (He admitted that he was going to fast for the conditions, but never-the-less...)
Overall, the RE92's rate VERY poor in wet weather performance. For a slow, economy car, this may be OK. For a performance car, like the OBXT or Legacy GTs, that is unacceptable. The engine and supension are MUCH better than the standard tires. This combo will get you in trouble.
If you live in dry places, such as Southern California or Arizona, the RE92's may be fine. In Seattle (where I live), it's wet much of the year and the RE92's are NOT fine.
Regards,
Dan.
gtguy
09-01-2004, 11:13 AM
The RE92s are, for most consumers, a fine tire. They have sufficient grip, and are a good all-season bit of rubber.
Kevin
Kevin,
The big problem with the RE92's is safety in wet weather. Even in the few days I had them, when driving on wet streets, they felt loose. The rear tires even broke free a couple of times in a turn. That was VERY disconcerting!
One fellow had a very bad accident because his GT hit a puddle and hydroplaned. The car spun 2 and 1/2 times and slammed into a guard rail. It was totaled. (He admitted that he was going to fast for the conditions, but never-the-less...)
Overall, the RE92's rate VERY poor in wet weather performance. For a slow, economy car, this may be OK. For a performance car, like the OBXT or Legacy GTs, that is unacceptable. The engine and supension are MUCH better than the standard tires. This combo will get you in trouble.
If you live in dry places, such as Southern California or Arizona, the RE92's may be fine. In Seattle (where I live), it's wet much of the year and the RE92's are NOT fine.
Regards,
Dan.
Again, people aren't reading my comments properly. I said the RE92s are fine for civilians, which I took care to diffrentiate from enthusiasts. They are different beasts.
The guy who hydroplaned was going between 80 and 90 mph in the rain. He himself admitted to a deficit of circumspection. I wouldn't blame the RE92s for that.
My comments above are my opinion. For 90% of people who buy a Legacy GT or Outback, those tires will be fine. If they weren't, you'd see a hue and cry from the populace. Never forget that Subaru doesn't just sell cars to enthusiasts. As a matter of fact, enthusiasts are a small percentage of the automaker's overall sales figures.
Kevin
moved to tires forum. cheers.
So do you have to be in the Military to switch to another tire? :lol:
SUBE555
09-01-2004, 12:36 PM
I was thinking the same thing rao. :lol:
Limeydriver
09-01-2004, 12:45 PM
I agree about the wet weather driving. I have hit puddles at speed on a couple of our high quality toll roads (oxymoron) and it was pretty scary. No AWD vehicle should be getting that squirly at 70 or 80 mph. Mine are going in the trash to be replaced by Falken Ziex ZE-512's as I cannot get the Toyo P4's in 225/55/17 only the S/T's which are really an SUV tire.
[quote="BookemDano"][quote=gtguy]The RE92s are, for most consumers, a fine tire. They have sufficient grip, and are a good all-season bit of rubber.
Kevin
I respectfully disagree. If it werent for the RE-92's I could possibly be driving around in my WRX now instead of it being a scrap heap in some junkyard in western New York. I can't say it is all the tire's fault but im complaining because I'd expect a tire to have some margin of predictability and saftey. There is none with this tire.
My fathers 4runner with knobby 75 profile truck tires had more predictability than these POS tires. They would at least squeal and complain before completely losing traction and sending you into a gaurdrail.
They suck period. They are not predictable, they loose grip instantly. In wet weather the nightmare gets worse. They get squirly in mildly damp weather and hydroplane like slicks on the highway AT NORMAL SPEEDS in downpours. In the dry there is a very very thin line between staying on the road and complete loss of traction.
In snow they have almost no directional control I spent the whole winter 2 years ago steering by throttle because thats all the tires would respond to.
They do make nice drag racing tires though. The lack of traction helps to get the perfect amount of wheelspin to unstress the drivetrain and let the subaru AWD system work it's magic.
I guess if the average driver drives like a grandma in Sunny Dry New Mexico they are ok but then again how many grandmas in New Mexico are buying Legacy GT's.
Im dumping these peices of sheet very soon. I just bought a nice set of snows for the winter and will be purchacing real tires as a replacement real soon.
I once had a long long discussion with our regional Subaru Canada technical director and asked him the question, why do they deliver the cars on RE-92s.
he told me the primary reason is to obtian better epa gas milage as this tire is much harder. That was it he says that many many NA consumers shop with the epa gas milage as one of the top criteria.
Anyone believe this?
Does anyone know if offering a tire upgrade OPTION would effect the calculated mileage? Wouldn't the mileage be based on the standard tire? So why not offer an upgrade option? Subaru and dealers would make a bit more money and folks like us would be happier.
BoxerGT2.5
09-01-2004, 07:48 PM
I have come to the conclusion that the OEM Potenza's on cars suck. RE040 on the Rx-8.....absolutely horrible tire. The RE92....ehh, but still sucks. Both have a tread rating of like 180. Both could make your a$$ pucker if you hit a puddle. The only Potenza that I know of that is good is the S-03.
SUBE555
09-01-2004, 08:47 PM
nicd, that holds water somewhat and makes sense from an mfg perspective. If it helps them get an extra .1 or .2mpg it looks good in the books.
I would also suspect they're getting a screaming deal on them. The only decent Potenza's from what I hear are 050's. The 070 is supposed to be okay, but for the money, there is still a lot more out there.
gtguy
09-01-2004, 09:08 PM
Anybody can believe what they wish. But I drove on a set of RE92s on my past Legacy GT for three years, through rain and winters, with no drama. And I'm a spirited driver, I believe some would say. :lol:
People have been scapegoating the RE92s for years now. I had them on the Legacy for a week or so, before I got the Dunlop 9000s mounted up, and had no complaints, running them at 37 psi. In the rain and snow, be careful. Period.
As a matter of fact, be careful in general. The traction characteristic of the RE92 is such that it will howl before it lets go. And the tire's limits in the dry are such that if it does let go, circumspection might have been in order.
As I have said, they aren't the best tire in the rain and snow, but I find ALL all-season tires deficient in the rain and snow. Dunlop 5000s are quite good, as is an "all-weather" tire (really a snow tire with aspirations) such as the Nokian WR.
But if you crashed, you crashed. The tire didn't do it. If the RE92s were as bad as people say they are, there would be wrecked Subarus littering the nation's highways and byways. But this just isn't so. Next time you see a WRX, have a look at the wheels and tires. Chances are, you'll see RE92s. And the car is staying on the road and everything.
:lol:
Kevin
Im not saying that the tire dosent work. It works. But everything is relative. Compared to almost everything else they suck big time. Im not trying to blame the accident on the tire. Accidents are most usually driver error. I accept that.
However the comparison I am trying to make is that the diffrence between a good tire and a bad tire is that a good tire will allow you to respond predictably in an unexpected situation whereas a bad tire will just let you go.
Yes they howel in long sweeping turns. But do a quick evasive manuver you will see the rear end getting real squirly real fast. My friend's wrx with real tires never displayed these characteristics. It stayed planted in situations where my RE-92 equiped WRX would have spun me like a top.
Its all relative...
I'm an enthusiast, and drive very spirited. I also live in Florida where we have received of 18" of rain in last month alone. I've had no problems, period. The RE92's are an adequate tire and I agree completely with Kevin's initial post.
Mine won't be changed until they wear out...when they do well out I certainly won't be reinstalling new RE92's, but anyone who blames the tires for their "troubles" is just hiding behind the fact that they drove beyond their own limits...well before they past the tires limits.
And as far as dealers offering an optional tire upgrade, most dealers would have no problem selling you another tire and installing it for you.
http://www.subaruchallenge.com/Wills/re92poster.jpg
http://www.subaruchallenge.com/Wills/re92poster.jpg
:lol:
Limeydriver
09-02-2004, 08:37 AM
I see this forum is quickly lowering itself into the gutter because people cannot debate an issue without resorting to personal attacks. Very sad.
I am very happy for you if you drive in Florida and think the RE92 is an OK tire. Florida roads are much smoother and better drained than what we deal with in Chicago. In my opinion (and the opinion of many reviews on Tirerack and other forums) clearly many people feel the RE92 is not a good tire. Also I think a poor tire is exaggerated in the Outback due to the larger size used. AWD will hide a bad tire much more than a FWD or RWD until the AWD is unable to compensate anymore - then watch out. A hard compound for a tire will never produce good wet weather characteristics and poor slalom speeds. I cannot think of too many other higher performance vehicles on the market that uses this tire as OE. Certainly Audi, Acura, BMW, Nissan, Lexus don't. The Legacy is a high performance vehicle and tire choice is certainly a factor in the overall dynamics and safety of the vehicle. I am always looking for tires that will provide a wider margin of safety with the weather we get in the Midwest, while displaying a quiet and controlled ride. Hence I will be replacing mine. If you are happy with your tires fine. However the lack of tolerance for other peoples views and opinions in this fine country is really sad.
Dr. Zevil
09-02-2004, 08:46 AM
A few things.. I don't think that anyone was attacking "you". Relax.. don't let it bother you.
Second, I few posts ago you said that "No AWD vehicle should be getting that squirly at 70 or 80 mph" (referring to wet weather). That's simply NOT true... Hit a puddle or some standing water in ANY car will make it get squirly nonetheless. I know, I flew off the interstate at 75 mph in a very very mild sprinkling. This was not in an AWD car, which probably would have helped.. but AWD is not the savior that everyone thinks it is.
I however do agree with you, the RE92's are a substandard tire. I don't think there is any reason to run out and buy new tires ASAP, but it would be one of my first changes to any car equiped with them..
BoxerGT2.5
09-02-2004, 08:56 AM
A few things.. I don't think that anyone was attacking "you". Relax.. don't let it bother you.
Second, I few posts ago you said that "No AWD vehicle should be getting that squirly at 70 or 80 mph" (referring to wet weather). That's simply NOT true... Hit a puddle or some standing water in ANY car will make it get squirly nonetheless. I know, I flew off the interstate at 75 mph in a very very mild sprinkling. This was not in an AWD car, which probably would have helped.. but AWD is not the savior that everyone thinks it is.
I however do agree with you, the RE92's are a substandard tire. I don't think there is any reason to run out and buy new tires ASAP, but it would be one of my first changes to any car equiped with them..
The RE92's came stock on my Rx-8....were crap in 6000 miles, and I'm not peeling out all over the place. I don't care care what anyone says....if you buy a new car and need to replace the tires at 6K, then the company needs to fire the prick who picked those out as "The Tire" for the car. Putting Amish wooden wheels on the car would have at least lasted 15k.
gtguy
09-02-2004, 09:25 AM
Limeydriver, I don't see any personal attacks or intolerance. Believe me, if you look at my posting history you will find that I am very attuned to, and watchful of that. Like you, I don't think it belongs on boards such as this.
Having said that, I'm a Chicago-area driver. I don't think anybody is saying that the RE92 is a fine tire, if you want to have fun with your car. My contention is, however, that they are fine for the driving that 90% of people who buy a Legacy will be doing.
I'm running around on Dunlop 9000s, and the difference is apparent. But I also think that enthusiast boards such as these attract people who tend to drive in a more spirited (yes, some would say aggressive) fashion. Those people will run into the limitations of the RE92.
So is Subaru at fault for not accounting for 10% of Legacy drivers, or the 90% who, were they given something high-performance such as an S0-3 or something not all-season, would be howling because they didn't get 50,000 miles out of a set of tires, and that their car wouldn't move in the snow.
We presume a level of education from other drivers that just isn't there. There was a guy with an IS 300 with the sport package, at the tire shop complaining about poor snow performance. The stock tire on that car is a Dunlop 9000, which shouldn't be taken anywhere near snow. The mechanic explained that the car needed snow tires. The guy said something to the effect of "What's wrong with Lexus, putting tires like that on a car? Why should I have to buy new tires to drive in the winter?"
Car manufacturers have to spec cars for a broad demographic and usage-based swath. For the majority of those people, the RE92 is just fine. They slow way down in the snow and the rain anyhow so again, they never understand the deficiencies of the tire, because those inadequacies don't ever manifest themselves while those people are driving.
Kevin
The RE-92 is a fine tire - there :wink:
Limeydriver
09-02-2004, 09:44 AM
Scapegoat Hey here is a novel idea, it was your fault dumb ass
I spent the last four years on Jeeps unlimited.com which has degenerated into a mess from a forum that was ( and in some respects still is) a great source of information. I just don't appreciate being called a dumbass when I get a vehicle squirly or when another member crashes their vehicle. In the four years I had my 265hp 330lb/Tq Jeep I never experienced such a white nuckle ride. I guess when I slam the wall on I294 it will be my fault for being such a dumass as to not recognize the warning signs of a bad tire and changing them. Remember it was this level of denial by the public that allowed Ford to get away with the tire fiasco on the Explorer for years.
If I am being over sensitive then I apologize to all.
racerdave
09-02-2004, 10:41 AM
Well, my 0.02 is that the RE-92s do they impossible -- they both suck *and* blow at the same time.
They're going to be the first thing I do to the car upon delivery.
If some people can live with them, great. Enjoy.
To me, however, they're an abomination and I'll change them out.
To each their own.
Dr. Zevil
09-02-2004, 11:01 AM
I don't know if anyone thought that I was defending the Re92's, because I wasn't.. I too think that they are, I repeat, a substandard tire.
I hope that the original poster of the dumbass comment wasn't aiming that at you Limey and posted it more in a humorous manner.
powbmps
09-02-2004, 12:17 PM
Sure the RE-92's are pretty lame, but I'll keep them on the car until they wear out. Then I'll replace them with something better. So far they haven't been a problem for me (so I must drive like a total p***y). Up here in Maine we have some not-so-pretty roads and a little snow, but I still ran the RE-92's on my WRX until they wore out without any issues. Maybe I subconsciously adjusted my driving style and reduced my speeds in those situations where traction may have been diminished. Not a big deal.
Chris S.
outahere
09-02-2004, 03:08 PM
FWIW, when tirerack tested the RE92 against 3 other AS tires on a wet track, their lap times were 1 second slower than with Goodyear RS-A tires. In wet braking it was bettered by the Goodyear and Kuhmo.
But they did praise the dry road handling, dry braking, and steering response of the RE92, and criticized the ride for having more impact harshness than the other tires (Goodyear, Kuhmo,and Sumitomo)
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/value_hpallseason.jsp
Geez Limey, relax...that picture I posted has been floating around the web for years, it wasn't meant to be an "attack". :roll:
To those who apply.
Thanks for being respectful and really debating the issue in a thoughtful and meaningful manner.
Scapegoat? Sorry I have enough road experence to realize when I am riding on a substandard tire. God forbid you get into a situation which requires evasive action and you find yourself spinning out of control becuase some other driver wasent careful and didnt realize you had to be "more careful" in the wet because of your tires.
If you like the tire hey I repect your opinion. To each his own. But here in Western New York Id be willing to wager the overall road and weather conditions are diffrent than they are in some of the warmer southern states.
I guess I forgot the rules here...
I'm not allowed to have an opinion.
Everyone is an expert driver
Equipment failures and deficencies are the causes of every accident
:roll:
The RE92, as I've always stated, is an "adequate" tire. Anyone IMHO that is pushing a brand new car past the limits of the RE92's before every learning the characteristics of the car is foolhardy. People can blame location, road conditions, weather, or whatever for every problem they have / will have but what it comes down to is that they did not adjust their driving habits accordingly taking into consideration the equipment they have and the conditions present. Trust me, I've had plenty of "road" experience in addition to plenty of track experience. I've never, ever had an "incident" that I didn't eventually realize was directly related to something I did, or didn't do. A car and all it's parts only react to what the person behind the wheel requests of it. Scapegoat is an entirely perfect term.
I guess I forgot the rules here...
I'm not allowed to have an opinion.
Everyone is an expert driver
Equipment failures and deficencies are the causes of every accident
:roll:
The RE92, as I've always stated, is an "adequate" tire. Anyone IMHO that is pushing a brand new car past the limits of the RE92's before every learning the characteristics of the car is foolhardy. People can blame location, road conditions, weather, or whatever for every problem they have / will have but what it comes down to is that they did not adjust their driving habits accordingly taking into consideration the equipment they have and the conditions present. Trust me, I've had plenty of "road" experience in addition to plenty of track experience. I've never, ever had an "incident" that I didn't eventually realize was directly related to something I did, or didn't do. A car and all it's parts only react to what the person behind the wheel requests of it. Scapegoat is an entirely perfect term.
I never said you werent allowed to have an opinion. You certainly are. But if people start making personal attacks indirectly suggesting that thier opinion is invalid because it is a "scapegoat. " don't expect not to elicit a reaction.
I never said I was an "expert driver" But I do realize the limits of the RE-92's and its unfavorable characteristics near the limit. In my opinion the characteristics make a substandard tire.
Again the next time sombody decides to pull in front of you and you loose control because the tires suck in the wet. Yell at the other driver for not realizing the limits of YOUR equpment.
The bottom line is that every day you share the road with other drivers and face variable beyond your immediate control. Its good to have a tire that will react predicatbly in these situations. Compared to the other tires I have used, the RE-92's are NOT. It kinda sucks when you realize that a 2 ton 4runner with knobby truck tires and a live rear axle have more PREDICTABLE characteristics than a supposedly performance tire on a performance car. Although I do admit the RE'92s have more absolute grip. They just get real squirly real fast.
This is the reason why many choose to purchace snow tires. If I were the only person on the road I wouldnt waste my money I would just drive slower and allow more time to brake. Unfortunately this is never the case.
I choose to buy better equipment not becuse I don't know the limits of my car can do it is becuse I don't know what everybody else will do.
SUBE555
09-02-2004, 11:37 PM
I look in my mirrors way more than I'm looking forward it seems. For most drivers the biggest hazard is other drivers as you mentioned Rob and their lack of predictability, I am in that situation everyday. Keeping your head on a pivot is never enough though, you can't ever catch everything and the little things that help your actions and reflexes, even a little are worth it to me.
I think we are really beating the dead horse here (Jedi, you can throw the pic in if you want. ;)) Lets just call it even, we will never see eye to eye.
We are in the middle of a Hurricane here, torrential downpours, dirt and debris on the roadways and I drove home from work this afternoon in these conditions on our Expressway (that is under construction; uneven, broken pavement, potholes, puddled water, mud on road) easily at speeds between 70-90 mph...even with all the lane changes around the construction zones and Jersey barriers at either edge of the two lanes that were open. No problems at all with the RE92's. :D
outahere
09-04-2004, 06:33 PM
....People can blame location, road conditions, weather, or whatever for every problem they have / will have but what it comes down to is that they did not adjust their driving habits accordingly taking into consideration the equipment they have and the conditions present......
.....We are in the middle of a Hurricane here, torrential downpours, dirt and debris on the roadways and I drove home from work this afternoon in these conditions on our Expressway (that is under construction; uneven, broken pavement, potholes, puddled water, mud on road) easily at speeds between 70-90 mph.....
Hmmmmmmmmm. :?
axis008
09-04-2004, 07:22 PM
Come on now, no need to continue getting at each other's throats. You know you're doing it at a subconscious level :P. Like some others have said, the tire is "substandard" for enthusiasts, but for "normal" drivers, they are sufficient. That said there is nothing more to discuss and I don't want people getting offended in some shape or form. Thread closed. If another moderator feels that there is more to be discussed, please feel free to unlock it. I just don't want this to get out of hand.