Road & Track Speed Magazine comparo

[RayDhaIn]

Just went to the local borders, saw they have the new speed magazine, and they have Audi 2.0t, LGT spec.B, and MS6 comparison!
Spec.B ranked 2nd though, from 200 total points, the differences between spec.B and MS6 (1st) is only like 1.5 point.

[twisted]

was serious snow included as a test condition??? scans??
i've stopped buying car magazines!!!

[melayout]

Ray,

Can you post all the performance test numbers between the MS6 and LGT?

[melayout]

MS6 is 1st by 1.5 points with the Spec B in 2nd.

[Drakuun]

I hate comparos.. chances are the 1.5 difference mainly came from the 24 more ponies the MS6 comes with.

I wonder what the WHP of the MS6 turns into when it's AWD engages.

rofl..

[Bretm1]

Nice to see the Leggy in the test.

[wukindada]

I use the MS6 to wipe my A$$ with;) No wonder it's so heavy!

[vodoo-chile]

Well in another article (C&D I believe) tehy tested under $30k sport sedans. The LGT was not included this year. thes test included the Honda Accord V6/6mt, the Acura TSX, VW GSL, Pontiac G6, and the MS6. THe MS6 came in 4th and other than the power (comparitively speaking to the other cars in the comparo) the MS6 wasn not to highly regarded. From what I read, I thought the regular LGT would have done well in taht comparo.

Kyle

[Kaa Kaa Man]

Well, having read that comparison, I think it's completely clear that the MazaSpeed 6 is the superior car and the superior performance vehicle. I think it's time that all of us admit this and that we bow our head to the performance King: the MazaSpeed 6. I invite all the members of the MazdaSpeed 6 Web site to copy this posting since I speak for a lot of us on this Legacy GT site when I say: Hail to the King, the MazdaSpeed 6!!!!!

[tintinet]

Anyone have the breakdown of how each car scored in various categories?

[LittleBlueGT]

Well, having read that comparison, I think it's completely clear that the MazaSpeed 6 is the superior car and the superior performance vehicle. I think it's time that all of us admit this and that we bow our head to the performance King: the MazaSpeed 6. I invite all the members of the MazdaSpeed 6 Web site to copy this posting since I speak for a lot of us on this Legacy GT site when I say: Hail to the King, the MazdaSpeed 6!!!!!

In some respects I kinda agree. If I had to keep a car stock I would likely get a MS6. Modded: LGT all the way.

[crex]

i read the article... they said it was so close between the mazda 6 and the legacy gt spec b that it really came down to preference. Basically, drive them both and get which one you prefer most. The Legacy did post quicker 0-60 acceleration times (5.5 seconds I think) but the mazda 6 would then gain ground after 60 but overall accerlation was about equal. Also, they liked the interior of the spec b better and said it was on par with the audi. I think the styling points went more towards the ms 6. Out of 200 points, it was only a 1.5 point difference and a lot of it was subjective ratings like style..

[tintinet]

Thanks for the info. I'm really interested in the how they rated the handling performance of the Spec B.

[RayDhaIn]

Sorry, i didn't buy the magazine as i didn't have much time there...
If i remember correctly both spec.B and MS6 have 14.2 sec 1/4 time, have almost similar skidpad (around .82ish) but MS6 is a lil bit higher. I think MS6 also have the braking test shorter.
In the article the editor did mention that LGT has better potential to be modded though.

[Kaa Kaa Man]

No matter how you cut it, the Mazda outpointed the Subaru. If Subaru had scored 1.5 points higher, I'm sure everyone on this site would be crowing about how the Subaru "beat" the Mazda. So turnabout is fair play.

All Hail King Mazda!!!

[tintinet]

Thanks for the additional info. Were there specific comments about how the Spec B handled in comparison to the standard LGT and/or the MS6 (i.e. tendency of tail of car to break loose, etc.)?

[melayout]

Kaa Kaa Man, STFU.

Seriously, your drivel soils any sane discussion.

[Kaa Kaa Man]

Kaa Kaa Man, STFU.

Seriously, your drivel soils any sane discussion.
I know some people will get sensitive over a study showing the Mazda is better, but sheesh....

[psucaptainkickass]

I prefer my full, real exhaust tips, to the MS6's tip within a tip

[specinvstr]

I know some people will get sensitive over a study showing the Mazda is better, but sheesh....

lol. Anyway, there is another comparo lingering in one of the car mags of the MS6 versus the Spec B where...the Spec B comes out on top. It is one of the mainstream auto rags (automobile, road and track, motor trend, car and driver). Fire away boys....

[Boostjunkie]

Well, having read that comparison, I think it's completely clear that the MazaSpeed 6 is the superior car and the superior performance vehicle. I think it's time that all of us admit this and that we bow our head to the performance King: the MazaSpeed 6. I invite all the members of the MazdaSpeed 6 Web site to copy this posting since I speak for a lot of us on this Legacy GT site when I say: Hail to the King, the MazdaSpeed 6!!!!!

Can someone please ban this freaking troll!!!:rolleyes: :jedi: :trolls:

[tintinet]

lol. Anyway, there is another comparo lingering in one of the car mags of the MS6 versus the Spec B where...the Spec B comes out on top. It is one of the mainstream auto rags (automobile, road and track, motor trend, car and driver). Fire away boys....

Which one, and what did it specify as superior for each vehicle?

Thanks!

[Han'sGT]

Well, having read that comparison, I think it's completely clear that the MazaSpeed 6 is the superior car and the superior performance vehicle. I think it's time that all of us admit this and that we bow our head to the performance King: the MazaSpeed 6. I invite all the members of the MazdaSpeed 6 Web site to copy this posting since I speak for a lot of us on this Legacy GT site when I say: Hail to the King, the MazdaSpeed 6!!!!!

please...:rolleyes:

[Han'sGT]

Well in another article (C&D I believe) tehy tested under $30k sport sedans. The LGT was not included this year. thes test included the Honda Accord V6/6mt, the Acura TSX, VW GSL, Pontiac G6, and the MS6. THe MS6 came in 4th and other than the power (comparitively speaking to the other cars in the comparo) the MS6 wasn not to highly regarded. From what I read, I thought the regular LGT would have done well in taht comparo.

Kyle

Road & Track last year....Legacy GT Limited vs. Acura TSX. GT was the winner.

[Han'sGT]

here is the article.

[RockyMtnGT]

No matter how you slice it, the MS6 is teh fugly!

Thanks for the article Hans!

[The B4]

Dang it i thought it was the speed article...went to borders and they still had the last issue of speed

[tintinet]

Dang it i thought it was the speed article...went to borders and they still had the last issue of speed

Same for me at all the shops I've checked, so far!

[Kaa Kaa Man]

Boy is it fun watching you guys scramble to to censor someone who points out that the one authoritative comparison out there concluded that the LGT's biggest and most direct rival (the Mazdaspeed 6) is the superior car. I love it!! The Emperor has no clothes!!

[john_knoxville]

were you looking at the Jan/Feb 2006 issue? its in there, but its not featured on the cover, nor readily identifiable in the table of contents (the TOC even has the wrong page number listed for the comparison)

it has the ford gt on the cover, and an intro page that states its the last print edition ever (thereafter online only)

what struck me was that the spec-b had the same slalom speed as the LGT and a skidpad of .83g vs. .82g from R&T's test of the LGT a year ago

[melayout]

And Motortrend found the Spec B to be "more superior" : http://forum.mazda6club.com/index.php?showtopic=45106

Seriously, Shut The F$ck Up.

You're acting like a child.

[john_knoxville]

Boy is it fun watching you guys scramble to to censor someone who points out that the one authoritative comparison out there concluded that the LGT's biggest and most direct rival (the Mazdaspeed 6) is the superior car. I love it!! The Emperor has no clothes!!
no offense guy, but i'll take 5.5/14.2 and superior reliability over 6.0/14.2 and questionable reliability

fwiw, someone posted on another site that MT runs a comparo btwn these two in its upcoming Feb issue (unconfirmed -- i haven't seen it) and that the spec-b won that comparo

edited to add: what melayout said

[crex]

as far as the handling, the article said something like the car would slightly roll in the corners until the progressive springs would catch and then the car remained flat. Also, the car had a tendency to lift throttle oversteer, but reapplying the gas would tighten the line. Handling was noticeably superior to the regular legacy gt.

[Boostjunkie]

Boy is it fun watching you guys scramble to to censor someone who points out that the one authoritative comparison out there concluded that the LGT's biggest and most direct rival (the Mazdaspeed 6) is the superior car. I love it!! The Emperor has no clothes!!

I personally welcome intelligent and friendly discussion on just about any topic, and certainly have no desire to censor anyone. However, while I realize that most of the topics you bring up and your responses are tongue-in-cheek, your level of maturity in presenting them is what bothers me.

You do realize that you are posting to a Subaru Legacy site right? Oh course you will get opinions biased towards that car. It's a fine car, but if for no other reason, everyone will almost always go out of their way to validate their choices. When all you contribute to the community is baiting members into arguments with your asinine comments, you sir are a troll.

BTW, I happen to like the Mazda6. I chose one for my fiance a couple of years ago. I do feel that the Speed6 is a nice car as well, but that as typical of Mazda, it's power output is overrated. In addition, one magazine (C&D, I believe) correctly noted that the reason that the Speed6 uses a TMIC, is so that it's powerplant will be more easily adapted to other platforms. You could argue that Subaru chose the TMIC route for the same reason. However, Mazda's mistake is asiduously avoiding a hood scoop, effectively making the TMIC an interheater, rather than an intercooler. Give the Speed6 an good FMIC and it probably is a better car than the LGT.

[Kaa Kaa Man]

Look "Boostjunkie"....

I am not the idiot who posted the following: "Seriously, Shut The F$ck Up...You're acting like a child." That was your boy Melayout, who calls himself 'Resident Thread Reaper'.

And I am not the one who posted that gem: "Kaa Kaa Man, STFU....Seriously, your drivel soils any sane discussion." Melayout was.

And, I am not the person who posted the following pro-free speech verbiage: '...ban this freaking troll!!!' YOU were!

Go look at my postings and look at the fact that I did not use one obscenity or engage in any personal attacks. You and your pal Melayout did.

So, grow up yourself...and deal with the fact, as you now apparently admit, that it's easy to make the argument that the Mazdaspeed is the better car.

[IAHAWK]

I am not the idiot who posted the following: "Seriously, Shut The F$ck Up...You're acting like a child." That was your boy Melayout, who calls himself 'Resident Thread Reaper'.

And I am not the one who posted that gem: "Kaa Kaa Man, STFU....Seriously, your drivel soils any sane discussion." Melayout was.

And, I am not the person who posted the following pro-free speech verbiage: '...ban this freaking troll!!!' YOU were!

Go look at my postings and look at the fact that I did not use one obscenity or engage in any personal attacks. You and your pal Melayout did.

So, grow up yourself...and deal with the fact, as you now apparently admit, that it's easy to make the argument that the Mazdaspeed is the better car.I probably shouldn't get involved, but you annoy me.

You know why we haven't said anything to Melayout??? Because we agree with him. All your posts/threads are pointless.

Go away!!! Please!!!

[gfxdave99]

IBTL Dance.. IBTL dance...

Who cares if the mazda is 'superior' by a few points. I lub my car. :)

[jerami1981]

No matter how you cut it, the Mazda outpointed the Subaru. If Subaru had scored 1.5 points higher, I'm sure everyone on this site would be crowing about how the Subaru "beat" the Mazda. So turnabout is fair play.

All Hail King Mazda!!!

Truth be told..the magazine editors said clearly that it didnt win, they only liked it better. In other words the cars performed equally well, but they just had a liking more to the mazda. Some people might actually like a chevy cobalt better than a lgt, but that doest make it a better car. The winning points were subjective, who knows..if it were purely based on the car and no preferances the lgt may have won. Regardless, its just nice to see the LGT getting into some comparo's that it deserves to be in and getting recognition for the car it really is.

[SC GT]

What were the Spec B's braking numbers, and how do they compare with the braking numbers of the regular GT? AFAIK, the only difference between the two is the superior rubber, correct?

[Han'sGT]

ahh.....we all realize that ka ka man loves the MS6. this isn't going to stop. and we love our gt's. that's why we own them. both are good cars...but we on this site who own gt's can not forget to point out the following that so many of us have already touched on.

1. Every magazine you look at will have different tests and different results. C&D put the TSX above the GT, while Road & Track gave the nod to the Legacy. For me the GT also wins hands down over the TSX...ah so i bought one. The same will go for the MS6 and the B-Spec.
2. TMIC without a hood scoop...nice job mazda....err should i say FORD.
(Found On Roadside Daily)
3. Price...MS6 is more expensive then a GT but similar to the B-spec. If you were to use the cost difference in mods on a GT you would could possibly hand the MS6 a new one.
4. Looks..subjective. Some people love the Honda Element..not me and that's ok.
5. Mods. Edge to Subaru. A lot already exists. Since the MS6 will be such a small production run. Mods will come on slowly and I would expect them to be more expensive.
6. Weight...MS6 is about 400lbs. or so heavier. Lighter is always a good thing.
7. AWD. Subaru has a long long history with AWD....it's all they do. MS6..new AWD drive system that is FWD biased until slip is detected. Personally l like knowing I've got 50/50 all the time and knowing I have a proven system under me.
8. Reliability. Subaru is up there....no Honda or Toyota, but better than Mazda per Consumer reports. And with the MS6 and it's new platform that becomes a question. If your ok with it, fine by me enjoy your MS6.

Can't we all just get along?:icon_bigg

[SC GT]

It's hard to take anyone that names himself after excrement seriously.

[Kaa Kaa Man]

Thanks for the sanity, Han's GT, but let me correct your misapprehension of what it is I am trying to accomplish by jerking the chains of some people:

1) I own a 2005 Subary Legacy GT Limited. I plunked down $34,000 of my own money (cost+Limited Options+tax+100,000 mile warranty) for the car and couldn't be happier with it. So as to your implication that I am somehow biased against the car, you are wrong...because I own one!

2) I invite anybody to look at all my postings...yes occasionally I thumb my nose at those of you who take this all much too seriously (with silly posts like "Lambo vs Pagani vs LGT", etc.) but if you ever read my substantive posts you will see that they are thoughtful and respectful. And, note that you will never find any personal attacks (which Melayout likes to engage in) or obscenties (ditto).

3) In fact, if I had the choice of the Subaru or the Mazda, I would, in fact, STILL take the Subaru for all of the following reasons: (a) all the points made by Han's GT above; (b) the fact that the Legacy was named as only one of four cars to receive the Gold Medal as the safest passenger cars in their class on the road today, by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (note: no Volvos, Mazdas or Toyotas made the list!); (c) the fact that if you get rid of the atrocious Bridgestone stock tires and put on some decent tires (I use F-1's) you eliminate 80% of the handling deficiencies of the car; (d) the fact the low-center-of-gravity Boxer Engine makes the handling nimble and enjoyable; and (e) the well-earned reputation of the LGT for top-notch reliability -- something the Mazda can't claim. Suprised at my opinion? If you read all my postings you shouldn't be.

4) Go look at the review on epinions.com that appears at:

http://www.epinions.com/content_167817612932

If you have any doubts as to whether I am biased against the LGT or a "Mazda plant", consider the following: I authored that review.....

Now that I have accomplished my objective of fleshing out the OCD types who can't brook any friendly jesting and take this all too seriously (Melayout, or Mr. "STFU" as I call him, is certainly "Exhibit A") I will now retire back to responsible citizenship on this site and continue to enjoy it.

Mission accomplished....

Happy Holidays!

[melayout]

Your "Fiat vs Zonda vs BMX" threads, your cr@ppy nick :), being suspected as an Alter Ego and blowing stuff out of proportion pointed to a troll, but I guess you're not.

If the MS6 is bettAr, so be it. I just hope Subaru kicks it up a notch next time around.

[The B4]

Gosh this thread went south very quickly... Kaa Kaa Man is an AE...he's playing devil's advocate.

Either play along with him or ignore him. He's just having some fun

[john_knoxville]

Now that I have accomplished my objective of fleshing out the OCD nerds who can't brook any friendly jesting
i don't see why you had to take a potshot at OCDetails....he wasn't even criticizing you, and he's a righteous, stand-up dude! :cool:

[The B4]

Just found the issue at Wal-mart... lots of good write ups in the mag

[SC GT]

So, are the Spec B's braking numbers listed in the article? If so, what are they?

[skibum]

...I just hope Subaru kicks it up a notch next time around.

This would be nice, though all I want(ed) for Christmas was an '06 Obsidian Black Pearl LeggyGT Wagon with a STS MT and cloth seats! (Oh, and hold the 35 lb sunroof, thank you.) Try as he might, Santa still couldn't muster one up. :icon_frow Perhaps Santa saw fit to reward everyone at SoA with a lump of coal...

[The B4]

So, are the Spec B's braking numbers listed in the article? If so, what are they?
Braking 60-0 mph, 80-0 mph

Spec.B 136 ft, 234 ft.
MS6 122 ft, 217 ft.
Audi 2.0T S-Line 120 ft, 220 ft.

Points
MS6 190.7
Spec.B 189.2
A4 2.0T 167.9


some of the other comparos...
evo IX vs. Charger SRT8
Porsche Cayman S vs. Lotus Exige
Honda Civic SI vs Supercharged Scion tC

[SC GT]

Wow, I guess we can't blame our crappy braking distances on the crappy RE92s. From the LGT v. TSX comparo, the LGT' Ltd's braking distances were:

60-0 = 135 ft.
80-0 = 238 ft.

[SC GT]

Hey, when did I become a Monkey?

[05LegacyGT330Ci]

Yah the brakes and tire combo leave a lot to be desired on this car.

[melayout]

The MS6 comes with 12.8 front ventilated and 12.6 rear solid rotors, compare that to the WRX STi's 12.7 and 12.3 combo.

Come on.

Edit: LGT gets 12.3 and 11.3 combo. Both ventilated. The stock pads just plain suck.

Road and Track 2006 STi review got it to stop from 60 in 120 ft and from 80 in 216 ft, only 1-2 ft better than the MS6. OUCH

[Beanboy]

Why hello melayout! Surprised to see you here in this thread...

-B

[PURIST]

Thanks for the sanity, Han's GT, but let me correct your misapprehension of what it is I am trying to accomplish by jerking the chains of some people:

1) I own a 2005 Subary Legacy GT Limited. I plunked down $34,000 of my own money (cost+Limited Options+tax+100,000 mile warranty)

Mission accomplished....

Happy Holidays!

You payed 34k for a legacy hahahaha you're right! Mission accomplished! I love it when dumb people think they are smart. You come to a Legacy forum to bash a car you, yourself own and expect everyone else to agree. Idiot.

[melayout]

You payed 34k for a legacy hahahaha you're right! Mission accomplished! I love it when dumb people think they are smart. You come to a Legacy forum to bash a car you, yourself own and expect everyone else to agree. Idiot.

Don't be so quick to judge, it could be in Kaa Kaa dollars.

[Kaa Kaa Man]

So now in addition to "STFU", "stupid" and other gems, we now get name calling like "idiot"....

I love it when people prove my point with their own words. So please Melayout, do us a favor....please reply in this string even more so we can all learn even more about you and your vocabulary.

[melayout]

Ok, how about "Seriously, Summer Donna". :)

[elpete77]

Extra! Extra!

Kaa Kaa Man, mysterious LGT poster, makes another stunning appearance. But just who is this "Kaa Kaa Man".

Jim Shobotnick, long time resident, claims to have seen Kaa Kaa Man pruchasing a pack of Mentos at a local 7-11. "He just walked in and bought some Mentos", Jim was reported as saying.

Kaa Kaa Man, friend or foe? We may never know the answer, or his true identity.

Summer Donna reporting, good day.

[PURIST]

You payed 34k for a Legacy? You are an idiot. Mistakes like that are the reason you find alot of things wrong in your life. Have you ever driven a Mazda 6? I am a fleet sales manager for a dealership that sell both Mazda and Subaru. Mazda and Subaru pay me to take classes about thier cars. What do you know about them? You're another example of benchmark testdriving. To top it all off you're in a Legacy forum talking smack about your own car. Are you serious? I've driven and tested every car in the world cause I read road and track... Give me a break.

[mand3j]

Just skimmed the latest Motor Trend doing the same comparison.
They put the Leg #1 and Mazda #2

[deimos]

Just skimmed the latest Motor Trend doing the same comparison.
They put the Leg #1 and Mazda #2

In the latest MT article teh MS6 gets pwned by the LGT. eat it kaa kaa

[tintinet]

What were the specific superiorities of the LGT in the MT piece?

[melayout]

MT Comparo : http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24907

[tintinet]

MT Comparo : http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24907

Thanks!

[PGT]

What were the Spec B's braking numbers, and how do they compare with the braking numbers of the regular GT? AFAIK, the only difference between the two is the superior rubber, correct?

rubber, stiffer front suspension to control dive and most importantly, different front brake pads

[elej]

Ok, i couldn't resist. Sure its great to see my car win a comparo, but if all I wanted was the top pick of all the auto rags, i would have bought a 3-series.

[psucaptainkickass]

You would also be breathing in the sweet smell of the LGT's sweet dual exhaust

[elej]

^^my point exactly.

[IanKen]

Thanks to this thread I would have never know the MS6 exists. Went out for a test drive yesterday.

I've now driven both and really, flip a coin. Which one looks cooler to you? That's what it comes down to. Mazda offers more options, doesn't limit nav to a single car with a single color scheme. Blustering aside the MS6 is a great sedan.

(edit) Wanted to add this: the MS6 is smooooth. The gear box is free of the LGT notchy feeling. There is no stutter at 2200. It just pulls smooth. The LGT is a bit quicker while the MS6 has heavier steering. The MS6 has more "solid" or "authoratative" feeling while braking. At freeway speed the care lopes along at 2200 rmp or so at 65mph. The ride is firm but not harsh. Like the LGT it's got that "like it's on rails" feel to it.

I wouldn't call the interior better, just different. Mazda does offer more robust audio/nav options and a fully loaded MS6 is cheaper than the spec.b. Road noise is a bit less in the MS6. The seats felt a bit more comfy too, but it was the cloth version so maybe the leather is different. One thing for audio folks: the "premium" audio in the MS6 has line level output to an external bose amp. All funky equaliztion is done in the amp so adding better audio through amp and speaker upgrades is WAY easier.

Anyway, I like both cars. I'm currently considering a 6 wagon. I'd love to get a LGT wagon but I can no longer get the colors and transmission I want.

[mphat]

A couple of you should really go read KKMan's review on Epinions (per his message a couple back) and stop proving his point...he was playing wit ya!

[skibum]

Thanks to this thread I would have never know the MS6 exists. Went out for a test drive yesterday.

Anyway, I like both cars. I'm currently considering a 6 wagon. I'd love to get a LGT wagon but I can no longer get the colors and transmission I want.

Overall I'm a fan of the Mazda 6 (great chassis, fairly tight build), but I encourage you to think long and hard before committing to a 6 wagon. Also not sure what you mean by the colors you want on an LGT Wagon are not available?? The colors haven't changed. Cloth interior is gone, but colors are unchanged. But yes, if you want the manual in an LGT wagon, it's either find an '05, or keep your fingers crossed they offer it for '07.

As a Mazda 6 wagon owner, I now very much regret not holding out for the additional power/torque and upgradeability of the LGT. If you do get a 6 wagon, please realize that unlike the Legacy, its peak torque is achieved waaay up in the RPM band. Without dropping substantial $$ into it (say a Wagner Turbo kit ~ $4K+), serious aftermarket modification/support options are slim with the oversquare Duratec compared to the Subie boxer.

And while the Subaru isn't exactly setting any records on depreciation avoidance, the 6's value thus far is declining at an even faster rate. Just some things to think about.

[dmitrik4]

^^^good points. i actually found this site b/c my g/f's next car will be either an LGT wagon or a 6 wagon.

couple of points that might have been mis-stated:

1. the AWD system in the MS6 has 3 modes: normal, sport, and snow. normal = power to the rear when slip is detected; sport = automatic proportioning front and rear according to acceleration and cornering; snow = torque split 50/50. so it's more than a simple "keep the front wheels from slipping" system.

2. a likely reason the MS6 handles better than the LGT is the MS6 has a better suspension design; double wishbones up front vs mcstruts. mazdas almost always handle better than the other cars in class...mazda has their "thing," just as subaru has theirs.

3. ugh...just b/c ford has a controlling share (33%) of mazda, doesn't mean it has a hand in every design. the 6 is a mazda clean-shet design, and the MS6 is built in japan (regular 6s are built in Michigan). please, let it go. :) and besides, there's now the (maybe someday) upcoming "Subaru Corolla." ;)

4. both cars are heavy, but not ridiculous compared to most cars today (the mazda weighs ~180lbs more than the LGT). and i thought my 2600lb protege was heavy....

5. let's be honest; if either one showed up free in your driveway, you wouldn't be too upset. i actually view mazda and subaru very similarly; they're both kind of underdogs to honda and toyota. they both make cool, fun cars instead of appliances.

(btw, mag racing is fun and all, but come on. and C&D got 5.4, 14.0@99, .87g. and i REALLY don't understand why the LGT wasn't in that story).

The MS6 comes with 12.8 front ventilated and 12.6 rear solid rotors, compare that to the WRX STi's 12.7 and 12.3 combo.

Come on.

Edit: LGT gets 12.3 and 11.3 combo. Both ventilated. The stock pads just plain suck.

Road and Track 2006 STi review got it to stop from 60 in 120 ft and from 80 in 216 ft, only 1-2 ft better than the MS6. OUCH
mazda has always put good brakes on its cars. they're usually not that fast, but they always handle and stop very well.

[john_knoxville]

and besides, there's now the (maybe someday) upcoming "Subaru Corolla."
toyota reliability rep :icon_bigg ford reliability rep :icon_sad:
and C&D got 5.4, 14.0@99, .87g.
with a SPORT model with no 150 lbs. moonroof or leather; perhaps you could also remove the hood, passenger seats, power windows and door panels, retest, and then tout those numbers as well :icon_roll

[dmitrik4]

can you buy the car w/out those things (hood, etc)? if not, i would say that your argument isn't really logical. so i don't get the rolling eyes.

personally, the Sport model is exactly the one i would buy...leather and a moonroof aren't that important to me.

regardless, my point was that magazines all get various numbers, and crowing about a few tenths here or .02g there is pointless.

reliability...i sold my first protege w/ 225,000 on it (bought it w/ 144,000), and it let me down zero times, even through college when i was driving 22,000/yr and changing the oil only every 8,000 or so miles. my second one has had zero problems through 56,000 (and is treated much better!). that's 137,000 trouble-free miles so far...much better than my impreza-driving friends have gotten (see: EJ25 head gaskets). so... *shrug*

and does "toyota reliability" also mean that subies up until now have had "GM reliability" associated with them? ;) i dont think so either.

[john_knoxville]

can you buy the car w/out those things (hood, etc)? if not, i would say that your argument isn't really logical. so i don't get the rolling eyes.
personally, the Sport model is exactly the one i would buy...leather and a moonroof aren't that important to me.

the lgt had a non-limited version in its first year also, but the car mags chose not to test that version; the argument is to compare apples-to-apples, which is very logical, thus the rolling eyes
and does "toyota reliability" also mean that subies up until now have had "GM reliability" associated with them? ;) i dont think so either.
do subaru's have gm parts in them? b/c mazda's have ford parts (even the ones built in japan):

http://forum.mazda6club.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=45859&view=findpost&p=591449

think so ;)

not knocking the car, just knocking the flawed logic behind your admonishments of my fellow members here

[dmitrik4]

hey, i'm a fellow member! ;) are you the same JK from NABISCO?

i see your point re: comparing leather/moonroof cars to each other, but i still don't see how your "remove the hood, etc" analogy follows from that. it's not mazda's fault that mags never tested the non-limited version of the LGT. and based on the price difference, one could make the argument that the real comparison is the non-Spec B LGT vs. the MS6, instead of the $34k+ Spec B vs. the $31k MS6 grand touring. either way, it's basically an academic argument...as i said, a tenth here or there. my only "admonishment" would be aimed at those who claim that, objectively, one is "better" than the other. the difference is really personal preference.

and i'll still stand by my point about magazine racing. one can always find mag numbers to back up almost any statement; and in any case, the two cars (regardless of trim level) are close enough in almost every category that no one here would really be able to objectively tell the difference.

do subarus have toyota parts in them? :)

[Spec B #127]

Which one, and what did it specify as superior for each vehicle?

Thanks!

I believe it was the Feb 2006 issue of Motor Trend. I have not read the article, but I believe someone on the site scanned it and put it up in a post.

[jj808]

Just skimmed the latest Motor Trend doing the same comparison.
They put the Leg #1 and Mazda #2
Well, having read that comparison, I think it's completely clear that the Legacy GT is the superior car and the superior performance vehicle. I think it's time that all of us admit this and that we bow our head to the performance King: the Subaru Legacy GT. I invite all the members of the MazdaSpeed 6 Web site to copy this posting since I speak for a lot of us on this Legacy GT site when I say: Hail to the King, the Subaru Legacy GT!!!!!
:munch:

[Spec B #127]

I test drove a MS6 Sport on the same day I bought my Spec B. Maybe it was the example I drove, but I could not stand how the clutch engagement acted on that car.

Let the clutch out it was nothing, nothing, nothing, grab! I almost killed the thing on a couple of occasions. It was a fun car to drive, but IMO, nowhere near as smooth as the power delivery on the Spec B.

Just my 2 cents...

[GardenWeasel]

Braking 60-0 mph, 80-0 mph

Spec.B 136 ft, 234 ft.
MS6 122 ft, 217 ft.
Audi 2.0T S-Line 120 ft, 220 ft.

Points
MS6 190.7
Spec.B 189.2
A4 2.0T 167.9




Magazines are funny.
Modded LGT FTW!

http://www.pimpmyauto.com/Docs/speedmag/lgt1.jpg

[Windex]

Well, having read that comparison, I think it's completely clear that the Legacy GT is the superior car and the superior performance vehicle. I think it's time that all of us admit this and that we bow our head to the performance King: the Subaru Legacy GT. I invite all the members of the MazdaSpeed 6 Web site to copy this posting since I speak for a lot of us on this Legacy GT site when I say: Hail to the King, the Subaru Legacy GT!!!!!
:munch:

Now now... Be nice. The next thing you know, Ka Ka is going to be flying left and right in here.:lol:

[jj808]

Im sorry..i had to do it. I just couldnt restrain myself...