View Full Version : 2007 Legacy Hybrid
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/09/fuji_heavys_tur.html
More effecient gas mileage with the same HP (article states 38 MPG). Thumbs up if they pull this off.
SC GT
09-06-2005, 05:45 PM
Holy Crap! The Jdm Twin Scroll Lgt Gets 30 Mpg?!??!?!?!?
Aczwild
09-06-2005, 05:46 PM
Oooooooo. I love technology! Subaru just keeps improving their market status and this will sure as hell make alot of people take notice
starlabs
09-06-2005, 05:47 PM
Very interesting... especially the fact that they intend to use the electric motor to provide the low-end torque where the turbocharger is lacking.
And I finally learned what a boxer engine means! :lol:
*Jedimaster*
09-06-2005, 06:03 PM
My next car will be in 2015- maybe they'll get it right by then?
unobtainium
09-06-2005, 06:08 PM
Kludge. TDI diesel > hybrid.
axis008
09-06-2005, 06:12 PM
Turbo hybrid sounds good to me! I'll take a stage II electric motor please.
starlabs
09-06-2005, 06:16 PM
Surprisingly enough, Stage II is already available!!
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/2417/chap05energizerbunny0qx.jpg
firedawgs
09-06-2005, 06:18 PM
Jedi; 2015 yeah right. I bet you said that when you had your WRX.
Twin scroll nice. Now will it be able to handle the mods??
agctr
09-06-2005, 06:19 PM
Will be very interesting to see what the trade off will be though.
We will gain in one way but i think we will lose in another.
Its the law of averages.
If they do pull off a 30MPG Twin Scroll Turbo, it might run hard all the way to redline but how much weight will you be pulling ?
Ada///M.
PS Nice find Chad.... well done.
mlrtime
09-06-2005, 06:23 PM
I'd take a twin turbo diesel running 35mpg and 300hp.
All these Subaru announcements are nice, but we'll see what actually ends up making it to the states.
agctr
09-06-2005, 07:17 PM
Or to any other country for that matter. Good point mirtime.
Ada///M.
*Jedimaster*
09-06-2005, 07:55 PM
Jedi; 2015 yeah right. I bet you said that when you had your WRX.
Twin scroll nice. Now will it be able to handle the mods??
Well, you're right about that- but I would like to actually pay a car off before getting another one next time :lol:
firedawgs
09-06-2005, 08:45 PM
Well, you're right about that- but I would like to actually pay a car off before getting another one next time :lol:
You and me both bro.
If—and of course, that’s a big if—Subaru is able to deliver on that goal of maintaining current 2.0 GT performance while delivering a 20% improvement in fuel economy, the Legacy hybrid will outperform the Accord hybrid, while using a smaller engine and consuming less fuel.
Very impressive indeed.
godwhomismike
09-06-2005, 09:18 PM
awesome :)
inthedeck
09-06-2005, 09:21 PM
I wonder if/when it makes it to the US, what kinda price tag that thing would hold? I also wonder what they will leave out, for the US market vs. Japan, and what other differences it would have, given that we don't get the twin scroll 2.0 litre/liter engine. Oh well, does seem like a nice move towards fuel conservation...!
franklin
09-06-2005, 10:34 PM
Well SOA build it for the US market. Same performance or better and 38 MPG. Im in.
speeding_gaijin
09-06-2005, 10:42 PM
Looks like high pressure on the turbos
hope i will see it at this years motorshow
tantal
09-07-2005, 12:27 AM
Will be very interesting to see what the trade off will be though.
We will gain in one way but i think we will lose in another.
Its the law of averages.
If they do pull off a 30MPG Twin Scroll Turbo, it might run hard all the way to redline but how much weight will you be pulling ?
Ada///M.
PS Nice find Chad.... well done.
Good point. Won't make a difference if the car is fat and dull. No point in going fast if you can't drive the car.
I'd prefer a diesel, but a BMW diesel. I wonder how close Subaru's diesel will come to those lovely units.
gfxdave99
09-07-2005, 12:41 AM
After reading that i kept hearing the song
....to dream.... the impossible dream......
in my head..
OCDetails
09-07-2005, 12:58 AM
it better have more horsepower. The Honda Accord V6 Hybrid out horses the non-hybrid V6 and I think that should set the standard. If you are going to fork over the extra bucks to save our environment then you should get something out of it.
93formula
09-07-2005, 02:24 AM
I like the integrated motor assist but hate the miller cycle, so I guess we would have to program the computer and maybe change the cams to get back to normal. But think about it with a electric motor assit turbo spool time decreases with more low end torque ..... GT35 anyone? As you can tell I could care less about the gas mileage.
wukindada
09-07-2005, 02:37 AM
It all comes down to the Dollas baby$$..If SOA brings this to market @ a low premium 1-2k it will sell...but @ 4-5k it would make no sense.
I would rather see SOA come out with a standard 6spd man & a 7spd auto (Mercedes) both of those options could come to reality for much..much less. The real world savings would be far greater, not to mention long term maintenance with the Hybrid......CHECKBOOK PLEASE;)
it better have more horsepower. The Honda Accord V6 Hybrid out horses the non-hybrid V6 and I think that should set the standard. If you are going to fork over the extra bucks to save our environment then you should get something out of it.
:lol: That's naive. Do you really think getting 38 mpg vs. 25 will 'save the environment'? I know I know.....offtopic.
AKLGT
09-07-2005, 10:17 AM
maybe i'll be ready for a new car when this comes out.... provided they haven't done anything hideous to the exterior!
Tommyh
09-07-2005, 11:32 AM
...that artical makes me hot...
Jedi Pimp
09-07-2005, 03:17 PM
I would rather see SOA come out with a standard 6spd man & a 7spd auto (Mercedes) both of those options could come to reality for much..much less. The real world savings would be far greater, not to mention long term maintenance with the Hybrid......CHECKBOOK PLEASE;)
+123
How much would it really cost to have the non-DCCD six speed with a tall overdrive? Bring it beotches!!!
IwannaSportSedan
09-07-2005, 04:46 PM
+456
They already have the damned 6MT. A 6EAT can't be that hard... It is in the Legacy 3.0R Spec B, but that car doesn't exist in the US. All they would need to do is bolt it to the US 2.5 Turbo engine, and call it good. (and throw in some other JDM/ROW bits, while you're at it... HIDS, McIntosh, etc...)
CAR Magazine in Britain had a blurb on other hot affordable cars, and the Legacy was included... They mentioned that it badly needed a 6th gear... We're not CRAZY! People who know for a living agree with us!
I second that motion to bring it, biatches!
Tommyh
09-07-2005, 05:05 PM
If I could get a more powerful hybrid Legacy GT wagon at, or near, the same weight as my un-limited 5mt GT wagon with a 6mt; I would take the financial hit and buy it ASAP!
doteleven
09-12-2005, 07:29 PM
As a few others here have said - the low end torque would be worth it. In fact, I'd willingly give up HP to get low end grunt. However, if other hybrid cars are any indication, don't expect there to be a manual transmission car in the near future. Even the Prius is still basically a niche vehicle (ok - not a nichey as a Legacy GT MT5 wagon..). There is only one stick shift hybrid, and it is a Civic. Although there are high performance hybrids such as the GS400h, I suspect that the costs of EPA certifying a stick shift hybrid and the amazing volumes of 5MT Legacies that are currently sold will prevent SOA from ever offering this car as a manual. I suppose you could just buy one and then rip off an STi drive train, but now you'd be 50K into the investment, and probably more considering the myriad electronic systems you'd have to custom reprogram at $150/hr or more.
Albert
*Jedimaster*
09-12-2005, 08:07 PM
Can't wait for COBB to develop maps for it- where's that guy that wanted to see the 2015 Legacy? :lol:
personally, i'm not understanding the hybrid enthusiasm. don't get me wrong, i think it is neat technology, but i don't see the real benefit. (as of yet, anyway)
if performance is up, what about the extra weight?
how do aging batteries affect performance? (all batteries diminish with age)
if saving the environment is your thing, even if it gets 50mpg, what about battery disposal when they do wear out? batteries are far more harmful to the environment than gas emissions. and the additional materials that go into the manufacture of two powerplants must come from somewhere and then eventually disposed of somewhere.
if your trying to save a buck, the $2k+ premium for hybrids buys a lot of gas. then when the batteries do need to be replaced, they are not exactly cheap.
i don't mean to pee in anybody's pool, but these are some questions i'd like to see answered before i'm ready to drop the ducats.
and that's not even getting into the electric schock hazard when hybrids are involved in accidents....
doteleven
09-15-2005, 08:32 AM
personally, i'm not understanding the hybrid enthusiasm. don't get me wrong, i think it is neat technology, but i don't see the real benefit. (as of yet, anyway)
if performance is up, what about the extra weight?
how do aging batteries affect performance? (all batteries diminish with age)
if saving the environment is your thing, even if it gets 50mpg, what about battery disposal when they do wear out? batteries are far more harmful to the environment than gas emissions. and the additional materials that go into the manufacture of two powerplants must come from somewhere and then eventually disposed of somewhere.
if your trying to save a buck, the $2k+ premium for hybrids buys a lot of gas. then when the batteries do need to be replaced, they are not exactly cheap.
i don't mean to pee in anybody's pool, but these are some questions i'd like to see answered before i'm ready to drop the ducats.
and that's not even getting into the electric schock hazard when hybrids are involved in accidents....
To me, the point of buying a hybrid would be threefold
1) fewer trips to the gas station. To save time, not money. I can easily afford gas!
2) less impact on the environment. Less gas used means fewer hydrocarbons in the air.
3) more torque. You've gotta love a hybrid turbo - grunt down low and hp up high. It would be a wonderful combination
Problem is that I will only drive stick shift all wheel drive cars, and I'm not holding my breath for a hybrid that meets those qualifications!
Albert
*Jedimaster*
09-15-2005, 08:56 AM
Let's not get into the whole environmental impact thing. We're going to impact the environment in big ways until magic comes along. Just think of the impact of producing hydrogen as well as those giant batteries hybrids use.
I'm all for a small increase in price ( a premium of up to 2K would be acceptable) for a well made and powerful hybrid model that A: saves a bit of gas (this is about me, not the environment- worry about buses and construction vehicles, not to mention cows before you worry about our little passenger cars) and B: is the same as or higher powered than the regular model.