No more kill stories

[Tide]

Starting today we'll be no longer allowing kill stories that do not occur on either a drag strip or race track. We all know street racing is illegal, and it's discussion here can have legal repercussions for the poster and myself as well. I have previously in the past been subpeona'd for member activity on another website I used to run. It's something I'd rather not go through again. Also I'd like to point out that posting and bragging about your kill can also be used as evidence against you in a court of law (and has, as I've read on other forums).

Cheers,
Tide

[OCDetails]

Case in point. (http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/9/27/114221/261) You are not safe on the internet. People can and will find out who you are if they want to.

[gargleblaster]

Far be it from me to question your motives and actions - it's your site and you obviously have the right to run it as you see fit. And understandably so when it comes to illegal and dangerous activities such as street racing where you can get dragged into criminal and/or civil lawsuits.

Regarding the recent stepping up of code enforcement in California, would it not also be prudent to limit posting of modifications to vehicle exhaust systems? These modifications are in violation of Federal laws, and the authorities in California have made it clear that they are going to be aggressive in enforcement of these laws, mainly as a way of stifling the street racing problem.

Using their interesting chain of logic, engine modifications = street racer = fines and/or jail time. Following the same course of thought that has brought you to ban street racing topics, could you not one day be asked to provide IP addresses for anyone who has posted about exhaust mods?

Something to think about...

[AWDxBOOST]

couldnt you make a disclaimer in a kills only forum? like...all information herewithin is purely fictional. any member who claims otherwise is lying

[2.5GTurbo]

Will you be deleting all previous postings related to this subject to inhibit the use of this private information? This action will also prevent us from making new replies to old kill stories. The "killing" of this information will help keep you from being subpeona'd over any person's actions on this website. Another thing to think about.

[deimos]

Wow.....:rolleyes:

[wukindada]

Let's not talk about modding our vehicles either, it can cause them to travel @ high speeds. Therefore breaking laws & endangering other people.....
Do you all see where this is going?
It's a shame:(

[Subastew]

I guess the street racing posts were getting a little excessive anyway and far fetched at times. Not that I would be able to post anything, because I'm still stock. Next time I race a tricycle at the track, I'll be sure to post the results.

Seriously though, "motorsports" would be the thread to post track stuff at now right?

[PhilT]

"Believe nothing that you read and only half of what you see."

[mmm def]

:mad:

[NeedMoreBoost]

:mad:

+1

[2.5GTurbo]

"Now, every year we find one good Samaritan so
deserving that not recognizing him would make Santa
Claus himself vomit with rage ..."

Let's all thank big brother kids!

[wukindada]

You do Know that there are dealerships that view this site correct? Post your time slips.....take pictures of your nice cars.....Get your warranty voided for tracking it:(
My warranty went out the door with less than 3k on the ODO but several users go to tracks with stock cars & post the info.....
Just my .02

[melayout]

Tide, can you be more specific as to what constitutes as a kill story/street racing.

I consider:

- lining up at a light
- reving at or getting reved at
- launching when it turns green

street racing but I don't consider:

- light turns green
- I take off easy
- someone in the far right lane comes barrelling down
- I decide to match his speed to see how fast I'm

street racing.

So what is it?

[c-lo]

Perhaps we should come up with another word other than "kill":rolleyes:

and maybe we could refer to them as foot chases.:lol:

oh well, that's too bad, but completely understand.

[PhilT]

You do Know that there are dealerships that view this site correct? Post your time slips.....take pictures of your nice cars.....Get your warranty voided for tracking it:(
My warranty went out the door with less than 3k on the ODO but several users go to tracks with stock cars & post the info.....
Just my .02

Not to mention the insurance companies, God forbid !

[wukindada]

Still do not get how you can UNDERSTAND:(

[Outback XT]

I would think that this would go as well: http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15122

[sc 540i]

: waaah: :wahhh:

[ADirtyLegacy]

so much for fun. but then again if people are looking here for legal action, so much for the "sleeper" affect of the car. they know what to look out for now!

Kenda

[Tide]

Unrelated subject. It's legal in most states to modify your vehicle and its legal everywhere to modify it for off road use. Please stick to the topic posted.

Let's not talk about modding our vehicles either, it can cause them to travel @ high speeds. Therefore breaking laws & endangering other people.....
Do you all see where this is going?
It's a shame:(

[kurenai]

i'll miss reading the kill stories -- some were informative, and most were entertaining. but it's not the only forum i come to this site for.
that's all.

[wukindada]

Take a look at the forum right now....not much interesting is there? Tide it is a totally related subject.....I know I take mine off road every day! Any way this is like p*ssing into a tornado it's going no-where.........I'M OUT:(

[PGT]

Guys.....the number of threads about street racing was getting out of control. Besides, It's dumb to document that you are breaking the law, period. Given that the owner of this board doesn't want to get called into court only for your enjoyment, I don't think it's that bid a deal. A rule about street racing threads (or lack thereof) is pretty standard on most auto forums.

[OCDetails]

"off road" means taking it off public roads. What you do in your driveway is your business. What you do on unmarked trails in the wilderness is your business too. What you do on the track is a little regulated, but nothing like the street.

[c-lo]

Perhaps we should come up with another word other than "kill":rolleyes:

and maybe we could refer to them as foot chases.:lol:

oh well, that's too bad, but completely understand.

For instance: today I "squished" this guy. I was walking down the "sidewalk" approaching the "crosswalk" when out of the "corner" of my eye I see this guy trying to pass. So, when the "crosswalk" light said go, I took off and left the guy in my dust. :D

[mmm def]

There can't be a special section with a disclaimer for those who want to post? Some might not care if Subaru reads the board, half of us have already voided our warranties.

[kurenai]

For instance: today I "squished" this guy. I was walking down the "sidewalk" approaching the "crosswalk" when out of the "corner" of my eye I see this guy trying to pass. So, when the "crosswalk" light said go, I took off and left the guy in my dust. :D

:lol::lol::lol:
somehow i couldn't help picturing the old guy with the walker from the opening credits of "office space". i bet he'd pwn j00 (or however you spell that)

[wayne53]

I loled when someone posted the exact location he was racing

:lol: see, it made me lol again

[mlrtime]

How about a link to another fourm that talks only about these items, it could be unmoderated and open.

Anyone care to host it, the admin would just need to link and I think that is done for another topic here already.

[eldiablo]

"Believe nothing that you read and only half of what you see."

Agreed. I really don't think the authorities are going to come after anyone for noting a racing "kill" on a website, unless injuries resulted and I doubt anyone would be foolish enough to brag about that. Even if the driver noted the exact location of the "kill". Who's to say they were telling the truth about the kill or the location? That makes evidence for what kind of case? :confused:

It would be very easy for me to brag about beating a 911 turbo along the Pacific Coast Highway even though my car hasn't left Jersey. Will CHiPs show up at my doorstep with a ticket in hand? Simply because of what I wrote - not what I did?

I find the posts innocent enough but respect the decision.

[nendo]

boooo,, this is silly,, at least make a race forum

[PGT]

boooo,, this is silly,, at least make a race forum

We have 'Motorsports' for sanctioned events.

[sc 540i]

If you were smart you would of just deleted and said it was a error in code or something :lol:

[wayne53]

:lol: it's funny to go to all those threads and see all the people edited saying "big brother is watching"

[Nsaglibene]

That's terrible.

[Whitestar Pilot]

I would like to propose an alternative solution.

Let's face it, racing with children in the car or weaving through traffic... even top-speed discussions are childish and dangerous.

But under the new rule we are going to lose some classic threads, like the recent one with the Acura, and the guys from work car-pooling with Wukindada in his stage II Wagon!
And what about that 100+ reply thread about the guy at the office with the modified Altima SER?

I would suggest that we leave the "Other cars vs. the Legacy" area open to some kill stories, but have it strictly moderated to exclude any kind of 'low end' behavior, such as road rage, racing with other cars around, racing with kids in the car, racing past 100mph... you get the point.

In the past I haven't been willing to put in the time required to become a moderator here, but I would be willing to invest the extra time required to make sure the "Other cars vs. the Legacy" forum stays free from trash. Anyone making an unsavory post about racing in a dangerous situation would have their thread deleted and receive a polite PM expaining the reasons.

It may touch off a few newbs every week, but they'll have to learn the ropes. I could be wrong, but I think it is mostly the discussions of wreckless behavior around other motorists that upsets some of the members around here.

Just yesterday, I was on the Cadilac CTS forum, and they some racing discussions going, but nothing outstanding that sounded stupid and dangerous.

It can be done, we just have to get strict with the content of the stories. Otherwise Legacygt.com will primarily become a great technical reference site, but little else to many of us.

[Edvig]

Cheers to Tide and the Mods for this policy change.

Street racing is bad...that's it. People will still do it and brag about it, but it really doesn't belong here. Smoking crack it bad and illegal and people still do it. But I don't see posts about that here.

The kill stories take away from the basic ideas of the Subaru community. These forums should be about technical advice and sharing your ideas about mods and future mods. We’re all here to help each other and not to brag about how fast a 250 HP car can drive in a straight line.

The Subaru community has grown a great deal since the introduction of the WRX in 2002. When I bought my WRX, I found the 2.5 RS crowd an extremely generous group of people that openly shared their ideas and experiences with the WRX crowd. If it weren’t for this original group of enthusiasts, Subaru probably would not have brought the WRX to the US. Next, the popularity of the WRX paved the for the STi and now the Legacy GT. We drive special cars. They are fast and handle exceptionally well for their price point and extremely fun to drive.

Our cars are directly connected to the Subaru rally heritage and that’s what makes our cars special. There are few car companies that make their racing technology this accessible to the masses.

The bottom line is that we should be happy that we can all enjoy our ridiculously fast Subarus and not feel compelled to brag about how fast they are.

[Legasee]

I agree to the decision/conclusion :)

Now....I love to run stock :D

[Nsaglibene]

+1 to Edvig, good point. I love the subaru community.

I'll just miss threads like the Altima SER that provided a good topic.

[Whitestar Pilot]

When I bought my WRX, I found the 2.5 RS crowd an extremely generous group of people that openly shared their ideas and experiences with the WRX crowd.


Too bad that's not going to be the case here.

I find your conclusion to be extremely overbearing and judgemental. In fact, the rest of what you said just made you sound like some rich old man on a private golf-course. Snobish.

[ih8vtec13]

I cant say that I agree with this but it probably is a good idea. I peronaly like to talk about my kills and post them up, hear responces, and and respond back. The timing for it sux because the night before I finaly got the kill I wanted to post more then any other.

Bottem line, we are going to race on and off tracks so just keep it in IM's and thats it, not so bad. We all have the option to to give our screen names out to the other members on here or send a PM or something.

Ok so let me STFU because I sound like a damn mod and jedi, mike and :DM: are going to beat my ass.

[nd4spd]

as a member of MANY other forums i have to say that this is the most ridiculous rule i have ever heard. i am proud to not be a regular poster on this forum.

[warnoldscu]

I am guilty of posting up some races, but I only do it for entertainment purposes. I mean, it's not like racing one car or another and telling about it will change anyone's mind about that car beacuse as many people have pointed out there's too many variables in a race. It's too bad that you feel like this has to be done because they are often very entertaining reads.

Curious...how do you think every other car forum "gets away with this" so to speak. I mean, srt forums have like way way way more members than us and they post a ridiculous amount of kill stories - nasioc does too, and so do evo forums and any other car forum I can think of. I guess it just seems like overkill to me...

Weston

[Whitestar Pilot]

I'm just completely disgusted.

This is the first website I always hit when I get online. Its a total shame that a few snobs are able to influence Tide into ruining it.

I don't even understand why those who would complain about the kill stories would even read them in the first place. These people are like home-owners association presidents or something. Scum. They get a kick out of telling other people what they can and can't get by with.

[D-2.5-GT]

I have to say this is pretty lame.

Almost every other car forum has a section along these lines. Some with disclaimers, some without.

While it may not really be the best idea to encourage this stuff, i highly doubt that anyone of authority is browsing in an attempt to get people in trouble. Please, its not like LGT.com is even in the top 500 forums on the web, its far from it.

[Edvig]

Too bad that's not going to be the case here.

I find your conclusion to be extremely overbearing and judgemental. In fact, the rest of what you said just made you sound like some rich old man on a private golf-course. Snobish.

Who's being judgmental? I own a bugeye WRX and learned a lot from the 2.5 RS crowd. Because of that, I give back to the Subaru commmunity whenever I can. I wish I was a rich old man...fine, I'm 37 which makes me old here, but I'm not rich and I don't play golf.

My REX is fast and still puts a big ass smile on my face at WOT and yes, I know that I'm faster than 90% of the tools on the road. But I don't feel the need to need to endanger myself and the people around me just to prove that point.

warnoldscu: btw: NASIOC bans street racing stories as well.

[03Indigo]

I never read the stories, not my thing. I just take it to the track and have my fun there.

I say, it is Tide's site, and I support his decisions. If it were not for him, this site would not even be here. There is so much good info, some useless info, but in general, this site has been helpful to me in problem solving and getting advice about my modifications. Not everything is related to power....or needs to be.

We all know what our cars can do.....do we really need to brag about it like a school yard kid? I believe most of us do not. It is not what someone can tell you they can do, but what they can show you they can do.....that holds true in any aspect of my life, automotive, personal, and certainly professional. That being said, take it to the strip, and show the numbers to prove it.

I support your decision Tide. It is a difficult one, but I also understand it.

[ADirtyLegacy]

not that i was ever gonna have a good kill story, but i did enjoy reading them. i would say it was "bragging like a school yard kid", but more along the lines of tell others about something you were proud of and allowing others to comment on it. personally i can't see the problem with stop light to stop light racing. if it's like stop lights in most cities, you just aren't going very far to get up a high rate of speed. now if it's racing on a highway was 90+, that's a different thing.

i guess we are also screwed out of stories of buddy's comparing their cars to each other in open backroads, since some people don't live near a drag strip. such a shame...guess someone needs to start their own forum for these type stories.

Kenda

[rallispec]

what about threads like the "how fast have you gone thread'? plenty of people claiming 100+ mph speeds... (legal, i'm sure ;))

so should we also not talk about removing our cat's and taking our car on pulic roads? (not legal anywhere)


I agree that the racing stories were getting out of hand -- i had a problem with the flames that were coming out of them though -- a lot of personal attacks towards people who raced by people who didn't.

but if you're going to post your illegal activities online, i believe you should be responsible for the consequences.

I'm not sure I see how Tide, or this site, could be held accountable for the stupid things that people post. It not like we're teaching people how to build bombs or where to go buy drugs.

but hey, its Tide's site, and i like this community a lot -- so i support whatever he does.

[dbolen]

Tide, I know this is *your* forum, and you can do "safely" what you like...but I would really miss the topic.

My problem....no place within 100 miles to go to the dragstrip, no track events within 200 miles....and since I have had my LGT(6 months), I have only seen ONE other LGT.

The only "fun" I have had has been with an older Lincoln and a Tiburon...neither one worth talking about even on the "other cars" forum.

But! I watch that forum like a hawk because then I know how the LGT stacks up against other cars on the street....and I spend *all* my driving time on the street, not at the strip or track.

As far as I am concerned, most of the posts in that forum could be pure fantasy in terms of legality....just cause you said you did it, doesn't mean you did....:rolleyes:

I would really miss that one...everything else except dyno charts and scanned
drag slips is just bench racing.

Cheers, dave:(

[PGT]

In case you guys have forgotten, SOA reads these boards. If you don't believe it, ask the guy who was fired (http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3730&highlight=subaru+fired) for posting stories here about driving fast at the storage yard.

[c-lo]

Maybe I missed this, but what brought this about? If it's a case of a few people posting irresponsible threads (racing with kids in the car) I can understand that. Don't agree with that at all. But like someone had suggested above, why not make the rules for posting there more strict?

Again, how do other forums get away with doing it? Anything we can learn from them?

[mmm def]

In case you guys have forgotten, SOA reads these boards. If you don't believe it, ask the guy who was fired (http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3730&highlight=subaru+fired) for posting stories here about driving fast at the storage yard.


wow that really stinks.

[PGT]

Again, how do other forums get away with doing it? Anything we can learn from them?

Nabisco allows them in OT only. Those who post must wear one of these:

http://www.fireweld.com.sg/Safety/Bristol/Suit1.jpg

[mikewrx-nj]

:lol: this thread rocks.

Wah wah wah, it's not my site but I'm mad b/c I can't post about how I acted like a ricer and made someone in a crappy car feel stupid.

Street racing is irresponsible and DANGEROUS!!!

Street racing is considered idiotic by most of people on the road. Only ricers think it's cool to zip down the free way to prove the worth of their cars. Is that the kind of reputation we want to encourage on this site or for the subaru community in general?

[c-lo]

:rolleyes:

Seems with a little more regulation this could be done. Whether SOA reads the boards is irrelevant to me, my car is stock. IF you want to post your mods that's your business and your risk.

[dbolen]

Back to Reality?

I just reread almost every post on this thread and understand even better why it probably needs to be done...but.

Why did I buy an LGT?...cause a guy in an Outback wagon ate my SVT after about 60mph.

Why did I buy a SUBARU LGT?

PERFORMANCE, SPORTS, SEDAN....did I miss something in the Subaru commercials?
Have I missed something in the commercials for GTO's, BMW's or Corvette's?
I don't think so.

What does SPT mean?
Subaru Performance Tuning.....did I misunderstand something here? I don't think so.
What are we doing to our cars when we say "modding"....what is the last word of SPT mean?

If I'm not supposed to be able to improve my Subaru's great performance, then why does the FACTORY offer stuff to do it with?

Disgusted, dave:mad:

[PGT]

Whether SOA reads the boards is irrelevant to me, my car is stock.

Even bone stock, if you need to file a warranty claim and Subaru can prove (through a post made here) that you 'raced' (even legally on the track), the warranty can be denied.

The decision made for this board right now is to not allow posts about illicit behavior (street racing), plain and simple.

[c-lo]

:lol: this thread rocks.

Wah wah wah, it's not my site but I'm mad b/c I can't post about how I acted like a ricer and made someone in a crappy car feel stupid.

Street racing is irresponsible and DANGEROUS!!!

Street racing is considered idiotic by most of people on the road. Only ricers think it's cool to zip down the free way to prove the worth of their cars. Is that the kind of reputation we want to encourage on this site or for the subaru community in general?

:lol: ok, that's funny and yes you are right. No, that's not how we want to be percieved. Don't forget that some people do enjoy "spirited" driving; even it's on ones own. I am a responsible parent/adult who WILL NOT race with my 2 young children in the car, but on the occasion that I like to let loose doesn't make me a "ricer". Don't make generalizations like that.

That being said, jokers who make posts about racing through traffic, etc. have probably ruined it for the rest of us.

[c-lo]

[QUOTE=Patagonian GT]Even bone stock, if you need to file a warranty claim and Subaru can prove (through a post made here) that you 'raced' (even legally on the track), the warranty can be denied.

Oh,:rolleyes: yeah, forgot about that. Good point.

[mikewrx-nj]

c-lo,

i agree with you on that point. but spirited driving isn't street racing. i think we all know the difference. I like to let my WRX stretch it's legs on some backroads up by me. I never attacked that.

I attacked the mentality of "oh look it's a civic i'm gonna race it to 100mph (which is not safe on public roads, I don't care how good of a driver people think they are) just because I know I can beat it.

I guess I just get ammused when I see people crying about how they can't post about how their four door family sedan beat an integra. And then they get hostile towards the forum owner and claim "but I can do it on other sites, this is awful!"

Don't like it? Go buy some web space and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

[c-lo]

Agreed

[themute]

I'm just completely disgusted.

This is the first website I always hit when I get online. Its a total shame that a few snobs are able to influence Tide into ruining it.

I don't even understand why those who would complain about the kill stories would even read them in the first place. These people are like home-owners association presidents or something. Scum. They get a kick out of telling other people what they can and can't get by with.

people are not being snobs. they are being responsible. you need to realize that.

i don't care if you go around racing whatever. something WILL happen and you guys will go around blaming everything else just not yourselfs.

it doesn't matter if its the first site you hit or the last one. street racing is not something that should be condoned.

i drive around quick on some backroads with no one on them too but not with the intention to go and beat some other car. some people need to just mature.

[themute]

c-lo,

i agree with you on that point. but spirited driving isn't street racing. i think we all know the difference. I like to let my WRX stretch it's legs on some backroads up by me. I never attacked that.

I attacked the mentality of "oh look it's a civic i'm gonna race it to 100mph (which is not safe on public roads, I don't care how good of a driver people think they are) just because I know I can beat it.

I guess I just get ammused when I see people crying about how they can't post about how their four door family sedan beat an integra. And then they get hostile towards the forum owner and claim "but I can do it on other sites, this is awful!"

Don't like it? Go buy some web space and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

true that.

[mikewrx-nj]

true that.

shut up ricer. :dm: :lol:

[themute]

shut up ricer. :dm: :lol:

at least i drive my car :O :p

[mikewrx-nj]

burn!

[LegGTLT]

I know it's been said before, but hold on while I grab some popcorn and twizzlers, cause this is getting good.:D

[*Jedimaster*]

I advocated for the eliminating kill stories thing. I believe it could be a liability for the board and for the people posting them. Search around on the web and see what kinds of things people have posted about and gotten into hot water for.

[jarrod]

Hmm i dunno about you guys but here even if there is video footage of your car racing, it's inadmissable in court. Santa Clause could have been driving that car. Street racing is classified as two cars engaging in a race with a marked finish, at least it is here.
And please remember...street racing is bad mmmkay ;)

[bcbaohio]

Rules and laws are created to protect the majority from the minority - protecting us from the idiots of the world. We're all grown-ups here lets try and act like it. If you have an "exciting story" from the road, keep it to yourself. I generally do for precisely the same reason that Tide has created this new rule. I don't want to get in hot-water with the police, Subaru, or my girlfriend for 10 seconds of ill-planned fun I had in my car.

I'm covering my own ass, way to cover yours Tide. :cool:
Here's hoping this site stays around for a while!

[Whitestar Pilot]

c-lo,

i agree with you on that point. but spirited driving isn't street racing. i think we all know the difference. I like to let my WRX stretch it's legs on some backroads up by me. I never attacked that.

I attacked the mentality of "oh look it's a civic i'm gonna race it to 100mph (which is not safe on public roads, I don't care how good of a driver people think they are) just because I know I can beat it.

I guess I just get ammused when I see people crying about how they can't post about how their four door family sedan beat an integra. And then they get hostile towards the forum owner and claim "but I can do it on other sites, this is awful!"

Don't like it? Go buy some web space and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.


This is why I don't post on Naisoc. You WRX people are a bunch of asses. If Tide had put it like that, I wouldn't be back today. But who the hell are you?

You've never used that turbo Subaru to take someone out on the road? You're a damn hyprocrite.

--

Jedi, I'm really surprised at your statement. Could have swore I've seen you post on some kill stories.

[bcbaohio]

Jarrod, that could be true, but, if you admit to racing in a written post, and they can trace your post back to to you (and they will), it's a party-admission; could be admissible in court as evidence. There is no such thing as a priviledged communication between a Defendant and his/her favorite website:lol:

Like I just said, keep your mouth shut, and if you really, really can't - sure as hell don't put it writing.

(don't get me wrong, I act like an idiot sometimes too, but I'm always glad I didn't get busted - I plead with myself never to do it again, hasn't worked yet)

[Colonel Lingus]

You WRX people are a bunch of asses.

Let's quit with the name calling please. Many of us owned WRX's (or still do).....I did and am offended by your comment. You can't make generalizations about owners of a certain vehicle.

Besides....everyone knows it pointless to post about street racing. T3h SRT-4 is teh f45t4r!1!
:dm:

[themute]

This is why I don't post on Naisoc. You WRX people are a bunch of asses. If Tide had put it like that, I wouldn't be back today. But who the hell are you?

You've never used that turbo Subaru to take someone out on the road? You're a damn hyprocrite.

--

Jedi, I'm really surprised at your statement. Could have swore I've seen you post on some kill stories.

dude. you need to stop assuming.

as i learned in 2nd grade when you assume you make an ass out of you and........












you.

[*Jedimaster*]

Let's quit with the name calling please. Many of us owned WRX's (or still do).....I did and am offended by your comment. You can't make generalizations about owners of a certain vehicle.

Besides....everyone knows it pointless to post about street racing. T3h SRT-4 is teh f45t4r!1!
:dm:
:lol: Sorry man- love the username :lol:

[heightsgtltd]

I too wondered at first if a distinction should be made between someone matching someone or pulling ahead between stop lights, and the balls-out 2 mile down the highway race at 100+ story with either kids in the car, or some other nonsense.

I do think that people could be able to post about stoplight interactions and not street races, but it can be hard to distinguish and draw that line.

I support Tide's decision. That being said, it doesnt really matter as it is his board.

For me, the positives FAR outweigh the negatives on legacygt.com. It has been an invaluable resource on a myriad of issues. If people feel differently then that it their decision to stay or go.

While the less outright street race stories in that forum were interesting to read, lately they were getting a bit crazy. It is hard to figure out what to do in a situation like this.."heavy hangs the head that wears the crown."

I would like to keep this place less like NASIOC which I associate with street racing, and more like the chill place that it is...

Edit.. "NASIOC which I associate with street racing" does not mean that I am attacking WRX's!!! Some of my best friends are WRX's :lol:

[93formula]

I was confused I thought this was a thread to stop people from posting who they murdered. :lol:


Anyway who cares who has beat who, so now instead of wasting your time posting who you beat, just keep it to yourself. That easy.

[Edvig]

Let's quit with the name calling please. Many of us owned WRX's (or still do).....I did and am offended by your comment. You can't make generalizations about owners of a certain vehicle.

Besides....everyone knows it pointless to post about street racing. T3h SRT-4 is teh f45t4r!1!
:dm:

+1!

Nasioc and Legacygt are both great sites for the Subaru community. There is a wealth of knowledge out there and we should all help each other out.

Whitestar Pilot, you bash WRX drivers but we're the ones who have been modding our Subarus for the past 3 years. There are a lot of experienced people out there that Legacy GT owners should be talking to and asking questions. I'm grateful to all the 2.5 RS guys that helped me when I bought my WRX.

[sc 540i]

I say, it is Tide's site, and I support his decisions. If it were not for him, this site would not even be here. There is so much good info, some useless info, but in general, this site has been helpful to me in problem solving and getting advice about my modifications. Not everything is related to power....or needs to be.

Honestly if he didn't make it someone else would of. I'm sure as a result of this someone might decide to make their own board-it happens all the time. As snobby as it might sound it's good to showboat every once in a while, as far as im concerned thats part of being a guy( us mostly being men) . Why the hell would anyone buy a legacy GT if they didn't have intentions of testing its limits safely a few times? I haven't seen one street racing accident here, the fact that other boards are plagued with them says a lot.

[mikewrx-nj]

This is why I don't post on Naisoc. You WRX people are a bunch of asses. If Tide had put it like that, I wouldn't be back today. But who the hell are you?

You've never used that turbo Subaru to take someone out on the road? You're a damn hyprocrite.

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Jedi, I'm really surprised at your statement. Could have swore I've seen you post on some kill stories.

If it weren't for "us WRX people" you wouldn't have a turbo legacy. Who the hell am I? I'm someone who wants to promote the Subaru name/brand/clubs and I'm someone who believes that having street racing threads on club sites makes us all look like a bunch of 17 year old idiots. Who are you?

No I haven't I haven't used my turbo Subaru to "take someone out." I've never seriously raced anyone on a public road. It simply isn't worth it. I live in NJ and cops are CRAWLING all over the place. Kids rev at me all the time. Ricers hang next to me and try to make me race. I don't do it.

Have I enjoyed the power of my 280whp? Sure have, but I've only been over 80mph like 3 times and it was never in a race situation. I keep my fun on the track, then again going fast in a straight line has never appealed to me.

You don't know me, so don't even TRY to call me a hypocrite.

[j.reed]

I don't know why if people bring these posts up in court you can't just say you were saying it to be 'cool'. There are plenty of liars out there, why couldn't we all be one?

i.e. My car runs 11s... I put 30,000 of work in it.

Now thats a lie, is subaru going to deny my claim because I said that?

[themute]

Honestly if he didn't make it someone else would of. I'm sure as a result of this someone might decide to make their own board-it happens all the time. As snobby as it might sound it's good to showboat every once in a while, as far as im concerned thats part of being a guy( us mostly being men) . Why the hell would anyone buy a legacy GT if they didn't have intentions of testing its limits safely a few times? I haven't seen one street racing accident here, the fact that other boards are plagued with them says a lot.

I agree with you on that to some degree. If you really want to test the limits of your car, you should do it on the track. Much safer then the road and if you crash, you crash into some tires or a sand pit. Less chance of hitting/crashing any bystandards.

So people will stop racing when an accident happens? Nah.

I'm just saying that people need to stop saying... "oh! i just raced X and X car and I won or lost on the street. i showed him my webos are bigger then his/hers." That is the attitude that I personally don't think is necessary. Street race, fine. It's illegal, nothing anyone can do can make you stop from doing it. But don't go around saying that you (in general) are the ones who own the road etc....

Also, the cops and other authorities go and look at these boards too. This is a public forum. Any of this stuff could be used against people in any form of jurisdiction.

[Prod]

I do all of my racing at tracks, either the drag strip or AutoX. There was one time some guy challenged me to a roll race, and I was going to accept, but then we cancelled it due to situations with the popo in the median. The only other contest of speed I've engaged in was when I was trying to pass that slow guy and a Cavalier tried to get the jump on me. :rolleyes:

I do like to hear about the stories (some are rather interesting/funny), though I don't condone the action.

[sc 540i]

If you can show me one person that has had their warranty voided as a result of SOA viewing this site, it might at least prove a point. As for the thread of the guy " driving fast" while moving the cars is a tool. I feel bad he got fired, but come on, would you like it if he was the one beating on your car without it broken in? Problems he might cause affects subaru's integrity. I wouldn't be surprised if someone on here turned him in and subaru wasnt really watchin at all :rolleyes: . The only time I have every seen evidence used in court was when this guy on a bike put false plates on it and would run from the cops for fun, COp who was an enthusiast recognized it and they eventually busted him, granted he bragged about it every single day on a local forum.

[OCDetails]

The only time I have every seen evidence used in court...

See, that's the point. You haven't seen it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I worked for a law firm for 2 years that dealt with electronic evidence like this all the time. The internet is being used more and more to prosecute. You can't tell me that you haven't heard about the people who have been fined for downloading music online. This is no different. You can be found and you can be prosecuted.

[rallispec]

i've also been reading a lot of stories online stating that insurance companies monitor local auto-x events and will cancel policies if they see a car being covered by them racing. (even if a claim is not filed)

[OCDetails]

I know for a fact that police monitor one board I used to be involved with. It was uncanny how every meet ended up being visited by the police to make sure there wasn't any street racing going on. They ended up having to post locations that were nowhere near where they planned to meet and then PM each other for the true location. It's not that they were doing anything super illegal, they just didn't need a babysitter. Granted, that was a local board and it was local police monitoring it, but it's only a matter of time before it becomes more common on larger boards. Not posting your illegal activites online is just good advice.

[sc 540i]

See, that's the point. You haven't seen it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I worked for a law firm for 2 years that dealt with electronic evidence like this all the time. The internet is being used more and more to prosecute. You can't tell me that you haven't heard about the people who have been fined for downloading music online. This is no different. You can be found and you can be prosecuted.

OK since you have seen it, tell me about a case where a car maufacturer has voided someones warranty through this board or another Subaru board. How you can compare this to downloading music is beyond me. RIAA announced it would be busting people and there were lawsuits against the people who continued to do it. I'm sure they get the person's IP through the p2p network so again I dont see how its relevant. I might be a little ignorant but don't mind me, I'm just saying what I think.

[PGT]

OK since you have seen it, tell me about a case where a car maufacturer has voided someones warranty through this board or another Subaru board.

This was indeed done on Nabisco. Somebody on this board was involved. It's not fair for me to share that info, since they haven't made it public themselves. Do we really need to prove it to you?

[OCDetails]

I don't have an example like the one you are looking for, but bear with me for a second. I'm not trying to argue, but imagine this situation. I can tell you for a fact that something similar to this has happened before.

You tell the dealership that you read on this forum of the ECU fix.

The dealership goes online and peruses the threads.

They see where you have posted about your experiences with the dealership and they recognize the issues.

Then they read about where you have modified your car in such a way that it affects your warranty.

They save every page they see you post in for future reference and note it in the computer.

You come in with a problem that may or may not be caused by your modifications and they wave the posts in your face. Warranty work is denied and they suggest you find a lawyer to fight them about it.

You find a lawyer. They find a lawyer. Their lawyer subpoenas TIDE for your IP information and they download every post you have made.

You lose the case after the dealership does very specific inspections on your car and spot the tool marks that give away your modifications. End of story.


That is a very possible scenario on how what you post here can cause you trouble. I've been an admin on other sites and I know what it is like to get a subpoena for threads that are needed for a lawsuit. It is hassle and drama that no admin wants. Running the site is hard enough, but once the liability of letting people say whatever they want starts to affect you, then rules start changing.

The bottom line is that if you want to post your kill stories or street racing experiences or how illegally modifiying your car for street use is done, then start your own board and go nuts. It's not hard to do and it can make you some money if you do it right.

[rao]

I was compelled to gave a deposition in a case against Subaru and their lawyers had every post I ever made on Nabisco. A post the plaintiff made there was the key piece of evidence they used to prove their case.

[DeepFreeze2]

My take on the matter (FWIW), I enjoy reading stories and the like as many other members do. However, what decisions a person makes and any resulting aftermath should be the resposibility of THAT person. That goes for modding, racing, or whatever. It's unfortunate that in a forum such as this that things can "come back to bite you", but if it's yours to take, then accept it. Few of us do things not knowing what could happen in the end, so we such be as willing to deal with the consequences as we were to do "it" the first place without making others suffer for it. My 2 cents.

[*Jedimaster*]

This was indeed done on Nabisco. Somebody on this board was involved. It's not fair for me to share that info, since they haven't made it public themselves. Do we really need to prove it to you?
Not to mention Mitsubishi!

[sc 540i]

Too long to read, there's no use debating it anyway the threads are already edited or whatever. Everyone has their own reasoning which is understandable.

I guess I can't post my 0-65 ( speed limit) race with a v8 stang last night :lol:

[bcbaohio]

OCDetails is right boys and girls...

Just because you haven't SEEN it for yourself doesn't mean it can't happen to you. Fine then, nevermind the legal implications, most posters to this thread seem more concerned with voiding their warranty than getting prosecuted for traffic offenses. We all have SEEN how nasty Subie can be with voiding warranties in the past. What makes you think they wouldn't be proactive to prevent fraudulent warranty claims or protect their interests in general?

[gargleblaster]

You WRX people are a bunch of asses.Does that make me a half-ass? :P

[DeepFreeze2]

Does that make me a half-ass? :P
Maybe an ass an a half? J/k!!!:lol: :lol: :lol:

[gargleblaster]

:lol:

[jarrod]

You simply posting something like that on a forum isn't enough to convict you of racing. Now if you have a video of you racing, and you post on here that you did, your uncle's cousin's brother's daughter saw you racing, and you drive a civic with a 8 ft wing on it with a Maxwell House coffee can as your muffler....you might have a problem. Then again i never posted anything in that section anyways so let it go..we still have the rest of the site..:lol:

[LegGTLT]

^^^Uh-oh... humor rears it's ugly head again...:lol::dm::lol: I love it... any more ass and halfs around on this site?

[OCDetails]

You simply posting something like that on a forum isn't enough to convict you of racing.

That is true, but if someone has more solid evidence and they are just looking for supporting evidence online, then having 300 posts somewhere about all your illegal activities is considered compelling evidence.

[DeepFreeze2]

^^^Uh-oh... humor rears it's ugly head again...:lol::dm::lol: I love it... any more ass and halfs around on this site?
*remains silent as not to detract from the serious nature of the thread any further*

I will say that I would definately prefer to meet fellow forum members in a much friendlier environment than a courtroom. Well, most of them anyway. :rolleyes:

[ih8vtec13]

Wow you are all getting pissy, whiney and the gloves are about to come off :lol:

Seriously can we cuit the shit and grow the **** up. I like this site and I hounntly dont care that we can't post kill stories. How many times has someone posted a kil and gotten flamed hardcore? On top of that its a really good kill that you are proud of, and you get flamed, andf its like dude get off my case I titled it so you could tell it was a street race why did you click if you dont aprove.

Bottem line is that its Tides site and he is not going to change his mind no matter what we say. It is a good idea to protect us from ourselves so to speak and give him less hastle. If you have a good kill story why don't you just IM people that you want to tell and let it spread that way.

BTW, I would like to know if all old kill stories will we deleated or not and was wondering if we could get warning so we can coppy our favs. Also I do not advocate street racing but do enjoy a good kill story.

Oh and one other thing, if you do street race please make sure that the kids are at home and dont mess with another driver that clearly has kids in the car. There is no reason to risk kids lives for fun and a rush.

[Whitestar Pilot]

I debated for some time today, ‘why am I so pissed over a website?’ Finally arrived at a conclusion.

I spend about 3 hours a week watching TV, and 12-14 hours online. One of my favorite spots online was the “Legacy vs. Other cars” section. Now that section has been pretty much relegated to magazine bench racing. It was one of my entertainment mediums, so I tried to keep it alive by arguing with the controlling interest here (who I believe is in the minority, but perhaps a poll would prove most interesting) who have killed the section.

Its over. It’s not as bad as Sci-Fi canceling Battlestar Galactica, but someday, even that will eventually happen. All good things come to an end. Basically, the producer has killed my favorite internet show. That’s life, and I’ll deal with it.

Before though, I’d like to point out that it has been the performance models that have given the Legacy and Impreza new life over the last 4-years, and the community has grown. Right now, though, it is a fractured one, as this issue clearly shows.

On the one hand, we have a whole set of new members excited about their turbocharged Legacy, and on the other we have some former 2.5 NA RS owners that claim to have made the whole thing possible, which is total bunk.


Did these early Impreza rally enthusiasts make the SVX happen? Subaru has always been game for a spirited performance sedan or coupe, and these WRX/RS folks are wrong to take credit for the Legacy GT.

The Legacy GT is a performance sedan competitor. What does the Impreza line have to do with that? It is also a Grand Tour model, which is obviously not a rally racer.

Obviously not all WRX folks are asses, but hey, my favorite internet show got canceled, so give me a break. Lots of you are, though.


I also believe that it is wrong to try to force your views on others, whether it be religion, or something more down to earth like this. As an American, I still believe we have the right to chat on the internet about ‘that guy in the Mustang’ we ran into last night without worrying about a police officer, and insurance agent, or a shop manager at a dealership :rolleyes: reading it. And we do. Hundreds of other websites would agree. We just don’t have that right here anymore, which is sad. It is mostly just the Subaru community which has gone this direction, which is puzzling, yet probably temporary.

In parting, all I can say is that I really don’t understand how some of you can own an optional turbocharged equipped car and be such prudes. There are some very intelligent people here, and I enjoy talking with them, but this overbearing measure hurts the site, and only serves the interests of a few. Simple moderator intervention could curtail the more outlandish posts, but this is falling on deaf ears.

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[jarrod]

That is true, but if someone has more solid evidence and they are just looking for supporting evidence online, then having 300 posts somewhere about all your illegal activities is considered compelling evidence.

exactly =)

[inthedeck]

Ibtl?

[OCDetails]

Nobody is saying you can't still kill other cars or modify your Legacy or do all the street racing you want. TIDE just doesn't want to hear about it on his website. I'm sure there is a website out there somewhere that you can post about each time you break the speed limit. How much longer before someone registers www.kill-threads.com (http://www.kill-threads.com) and rakes in the cash?

It's just ironic that I am in the process of developing a training for my work that this thread relates to. The title of it is "Adapting to Change" :lol: Now I can officially say that surfing LGT.com is work related. I'm just doing field research... ;)

[melayout]

I also believe that it is wrong to try to force your views on others, whether it be religion, or something more down to earth like this. As an American, I still believe we have the right to chat on the internet about ‘that guy in the Mustang’ we ran into last night without worrying about a police officer, and insurance agent, or a shop manager at a dealership :rolleyes: reading it. And we do. Hundreds of other websites would agree. We just don’t have that right here anymore, which is sad. It is mostly just the Subaru community which has gone this direction, which is puzzling, yet probably temporary.

Seriously, do you know what you're saying, plus you're not even a donating member, which puts it over the top. :lol:

I think Tide's decision is a blessing in disguise. IMyOwnOpinion I wouldn't want LGT.com to become another NASIOC or SRT-4 because those who street race can use LGT.com as an outlet to gain false "respect" or "reputation" and perpetuate the idea that street racing and winning, however that's defined, against another car/driver and posting about it makes you look good or feel better, which is true for many of those on NASIOC or SRT-4.

Tide's decision will indirectly advertise to others online that the most prominent LGT community is against street racing and would discourage new LGT owners from boasting about and hence not do it in the first place, since they will be blasted, and I'm for that.

[gargleblaster]

Do you really think not being able to boast about street races on this forum will prevent folks from undertaking in the races to begin with? :confused: "I'd love to toast this punk, but since Tide won't let us post about it anymore, I guess I'll just ignore this guy." I don't think so.

[themute]

Did these early Impreza rally enthusiasts make the SVX happen? Subaru has always been game for a spirited performance sedan or coupe, and these WRX/RS folks are wrong to take credit for the Legacy GT.


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you obviously have no idea about subaru's history. you just buy the car cause its fast, awd and people have it.

other enthusiasts look at history. they view how the car started, what made subaru produce it. that was how the RS to WRX switch was. i guess times are just changing for the worst with some people. its like people buying a civic.

[themute]

Do you really think not being able to boast about street races on this forum will prevent folks from undertaking in the races to begin with? :confused: "I'd love to toast this punk, but since Tide won't let us post about it anymore, I guess I'll just ignore this guy." I don't think so.

I agree. I think it should just not be posted on the boards.

[Subastew]

I think if you use this site only for entertainment purposes, then you're kinda missing the point of the site. Personally, I'm here to gain the experience of others with my same vehicle. If their experience in racing comes with some number from the track, then that is useful knowledge. Any other racing is based on how much you believe the posting individual.

Simple solution:
Get a blog going on myspace.com and post your 'kill' threads there, then you can acquire a big community of street racers. Your entertainment will resume and the whining here will end.

[LegacyTwin]

sorry but this is rediculous........

[melayout]

Do you really think not being able to boast about street races on this forum will prevent folks from undertaking in the races to begin with? :confused: "I'd love to toast this punk, but since Tide won't let us post about it anymore, I guess I'll just ignore this guy." I don't think so.

I know you know I'm not that naive, I'm just hoping it could be so.

Someone posts about a kill, everybody says nice kill, now s/he wants more power, street races again and comes back to boast/post about it for more acknowledgement and for a good number of NASIOC and SRT-4 members that's their life. Modding, street racing and posting about it to satisfy their ego cause they have nothing better todo.

Most boast about winning or killing from their point of view and based on one time not a number of consistent runs, which I find to be so retarded since it isn't based on any rules or restrictions. There are a ton of variables in any "race" that could lead to many different outcomes, including drivers, mods, road conditions, judgement, etc that it doesn't mean anything. All it meant is that at that time and with a specific set of conditions you edged or out-handled someone else's car and the thing is you can "race" tomorrow in a different set of conditions and get your a$$ handed to you.

[jarrod]

Nobody is saying you can't still kill other cars or modify your Legacy or do all the street racing you want. TIDE just doesn't want to hear about it on his website. I'm sure there is a website out there somewhere that you can post about each time you break the speed limit. How much longer before someone registers www.kill-threads.com (http://www.kill-threads.com/) and rakes in the cash?

It's just ironic that I am in the process of developing a training for my work that this thread relates to. The title of it is "Adapting to Change" :lol: Now I can officially say that surfing LGT.com is work related. I'm just doing field research... ;)

As we speak i'm in the process of registering this domain kill-threads.com, membership will of course be free, however, for each kill you post it will be $5. Also we will be selling t-shirts that say "My car killed a (insert car)" and on the back will be a picture of your car with the heading..."I street race..please arrest me" ...feedback please :)

PS The lochness monster says: "civic and srt kills are about tree fiddy"

[KTM 525]

Do you really think not being able to boast about street races on this forum will prevent folks from undertaking in the races to begin with? :confused: "I'd love to toast this punk, but since Tide won't let us post about it anymore, I guess I'll just ignore this guy." I don't think so.

Yeah on the way home from work this gyuy in a brand new ZO6 Corvette with the 500hp LS7 motor wanted to run me at a light. After reading this thread knowing I could not post the outcome I decided to pass on the race. Really it's Tides call in the end. I am a member of a couple other forums and street kills are a common thing posted about. Shitty call yeah but overall not a big deal here guys.

[OCDetails]

:lol: I want royalties. My lawyer will just reference this thread when I tell him it was my idea.

[jarrod]

lmao

[DeepFreeze2]

"I'd love to toast this punk, but since Tide won't let us post about it anymore, I guess I'll just ignore this guy." I don't think so.
Actually, that is exactly what I'm planning to do.:rolleyes: After Stg. 2, a new TMIC, bigger turbo, and supporting fuel, brake and suspension mods, that is. :D Never race and you'll always win. If nowhere else but in your own mind.:lol: Not that some of our minds could be described as "safe".

[mikewrx-nj]

As we speak i'm in the process of registering this domain kill-threads.com, membership will of course be free, however, for each kill you post it will be $5. Also we will be selling t-shirts that say "My car killed a (insert car)" and on the back will be a picture of your car with the heading..."I street race..please arrest me" ...feedback please :)

PS The lochness monster says: "civic and srt kills are about tree fiddy"


:lol: x eleventybillion!!!! i love the idea.

[Yukonart]

Glad to see this. I can't stand kill stories. I don't allow them on my sanctioned racing board, either.

If someone's got to race on the streets to increase the size of their e-penis, they've got issues.

[phuzaxeman]

Glad to see this. I can't stand kill stories. I don't allow them on my sanctioned racing board, either.

If someone's got to race on the streets to increase the size of their e-penis, they've got issues.

but it's ok to increase their e-penis on the track? that's so much better? yeah it's safer but the fact is most people that have a turbo legacy wouldn't mind taking a bass rumbling civic revving at the legacy on some open road. get real.

[warnoldscu]

You know, there's obviously a split group here, but the reason there's so much tension is because one side keeps making fun of the other. Just because you choose to race on or off the track doesn't mean that you have "e-penis" issues or that you're an immature teenager or any other thing. And, just because you don't like to speed/race/whatever doesn't mean that you shouldn't have a fast car or do any upgrades or whatever...

This forum and this thread aren't going to change the 2 types of people here. It does, though, have the potential to just be a fine place where everyone does have one thing in common: we love cars and most of us want to do stuff to make our cars better in one way or another. I'm personally guilty of getting into all this name calling and fighting, but maybe people just need to realize that it's not going to change. So, maybe this issue can be discussed without the useless name-calling and accusing and just plain meanness.

[jerami1981]

How about starting an emailing list for people who want to hear others stories..cause who doesn't love a good story. :)..ok..maybe a bad idea..back to drinking lots of cokes and eating lots of chocolate....add me to the list btw jerami_20@yahoo.com :) wooohoooooo

[Yukonart]

but it's ok to increase their e-penis on the track? that's so much better? yeah it's safer but the fact is most people that have a turbo legacy wouldn't mind taking a bass rumbling civic revving at the legacy on some open road. get real.

People go to the track to become better drivers. If they want to brag about lap times or 1/4 mile slips, that's their prerogative. Either way, bystanders aren't being endangered for the kicks of immature behavior.

As for the bass rumbling Civics. . . I'd rather see them think I was going to take them and watch them get pulled by johnny law. Now THAT is entertainment.

[c-lo]

Hey guys.......can't we all just get along? How 'bout a group hug, huh?

[sduford]

Guys, have a bit of respect for the decisions made by the guy who owns this place and graciously provides us with this great service. Believe me, Tide did not make this decision lightly and he's been mulling over it for months.

If you don't like it, there are plenty of other places where you can go tell your stories.

[wunderkind]

You know what kill stories are right? Ego stroking. :rolleyes:

[ADirtyLegacy]

so after reading the new threads my questions is this, why do we post? obviously the stop light to stop light post are done, but if SOA is good about denying warranty coverage, then why are there so many threads about AP, EcuTek, etc? what if OCDs scenario plays out? if they are watching then they will see the "do i need to go back to stock ecu" post and know right away something is up. it's the same concept but nobody is up in arms about that.

it's like someone else said, if you feel the need to post about your race up to 130 with the kids in the car, then that's your problem. however IMO, i see nothing wrong with posting you smoked a Z28 from stop light A to stop light B. seriously, if you don't like "street racing" then why do u even think about clicking the thread? just to state your point of view when you know it doesn't agree with others to get a rise out of them? how grown up of you!! i'm not saying driving up to 130 with the family in the car is a good idea, in fact it's stupid. we do more driving on the street than we do on the track (for those lucky enough to have a track by them). why not safely have fun on the street? i know for one i would like to know that if my lane is running out at the next light, that i'm gonna be able to get on it and get in front of the car next to me and make my point known! :D

Kenda

[TSi+WRX]

...the guy " driving fast" while moving the cars is a tool. I feel bad he got fired, but come on, would you like it if he was the one beating on your car without it broken in? Problems he might cause affects subaru's integrity......

Brother, you don't want to watch how those transport drivers unload our new cars onto the dealer's parking lot.

;)

Additionally, like brother jedi alluded to earlier (post number 95), since those "DSM-vs.-Scooby Shootouts" were publicized on the various enthusaist Forums....

Not too long ago, some Mitsu corporate types showed up at one of those, with the end-result being voided factory warranty on a bunch of Evos.

Needless to say, the well-recognized and well-respected tuner who organized the event was rightfully furious.


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All,

I stand in-favor of Tide's decision -

And also for all, including Whitestar Pilot, as this is Tide's site, and his decision to make, it's rather not that some third party is imparting their view and quashing the rights of someone else to free speech - but instead, I think it is, in your own words, "un-American" for you to be insisting that his actions are incorrect. It's Tide's decision to make, and as he's the lead of LGT.com, we as its citizens are left to either get on the bandwagon, or get out. Certainly, I'd imagine that the opinions of Donating Members did weigh-in on his decision, but what's policy is left solely up to him to decide, and as membership in this community is purely voluntary, he's not imposing his view on anyone's "rights," but rather, is setting the boundaries for privilege.

Did I enjoy the stories?

I certainly did.

Do I sometimes engage in horseplay on public streets?

Sadly, yes - but I am only human, and sometimes, the situation gets the better of me.

Will I mourn the passing of such stories?

Yes, and I'll likely also expand my on-line time/membership to include a LGT-related community that does host such stories.

But I certainly also won't miss them, here - I think that LGT.com wants to present itself in a legitimate manner, and one which is in the best traditions of the import tuner community. Following in such footsteps, it's easy to see why stories such as these as well as any "bench-racing" would dilute and degrade the noise-to-signal ratio.

And aside from this, as we've all touched upon previously, the spectre of legal quagmire -as well as SoA overwatch- is simply too great to ignore.

True, the old adage of "don't click on it if you don't want to read it," as Kenda pointed out, would have worked easily. So would a dedicated section to such stories/tales, with perhaps a cautionary title/tag under the main Forum link to indicate its contents and to put up any disclaimers. Such options were suggested to Tide, to the best of my recall, and it was again his decision to not do so.

As a guest of this community, I want to obey its rules as they're set by its leader. I may or may not like those rules, either as they are now or even as they evolve further-on down the road, but I know, too, that my membership here is voluntary, and I can take myself, as well as my support, elsewhere, if and when the day comes when I no longer feel that my views are in-line with that of the site's.

[LegGTLT]

As for the bass rumbling Civics. . . I'd rather see them think I was going to take them and watch them get pulled by johnny law. Now THAT is entertainment.

Ok, so I've still been reading this whole thing and in the end, I don't run it, I haven't paid for yet (when those new stickers and shirts are announced though...yum:D ), and I couldn't really get offended by the whole thing cause I don't own it.

Yet, not to be rude or off topic, but in regards to the above quote, I have several stories like THAT! They're GREAT! People have tried to race me, I've lead them to believe I was going to race them, and they speed off to literally be pulled over before my eyes... would that be ok? Cause I'm sorry, but it's really funny to watch some raced-out car of any sort think they're the sh*t (especially against a stock '88 Civic HB, 1st car, or a stock '02 GT LT, 2nd car, haven't had any challenges to the '05 yet) and then have to pay a cop for their 3 seconds of stupidity. Yes, I have made the mistake of accepting a challenge or two back in the day, but if we're not breaking the law in the story, can we still share it? It would be a topic post like this: " '99 Civic Si killed by WA State Patrol" or " '95 Camaro killed by Seattle Police", possibly even my favorite personal one, " '98 Integra killed by UNDERCOVER Sherriff on NB I-5". So anyways, just wanted to ask if we actually can post those in the "Legacy VS." forum, 'cause in all honesty, they still are a little funny don't ya think?:redface: Just my .02...

[VXCL]

You do Know that there are dealerships that view this site correct? Post your time slips.....take pictures of your nice cars.....Get your warranty voided for tracking it:(
My warranty went out the door with less than 3k on the ODO but several users go to tracks with stock cars & post the info.....
Just my .02

i couldn't tell if you were joking or not, but if your dumb enough to have a pic with your plate or vin they cant say for sure its you anyway. they would have to find whatever your worried about when you brough it in. in addition that pic of your engine bay might be some1 elses and your posing. that would never stand. im pretty sure you were joking though.

[VXCL]

Even bone stock, if you need to file a warranty claim and Subaru can prove (through a post made here) that you 'raced' (even legally on the track), the warranty can be denied.

It will go on your PERMANENT RECORD!!!! sounds like scare tactics to me. like that BS increased police spam i get every week. unless something like a vid or pic with visible tags was posted there's no way. if anything you may put your car under a more thorough check for abuse, racing, whatever and THEN they may find real proof.

basically what i'm saying is that i agree its possible posting can help LEAD to an issue, but the posts alone can't stand on their own unless you have some really stupid pics or something.

SOA i used some pro long and drained all my oil out then went auto x'ng all day with my mbc @ 69psi!!! it was awesome. i smoked that 94 pos viper with ease :)

im pretty sure by the "and subaru can prove" part that we agree, i don't want to start seeing people saying "SOA is watching!" and stop talking on this site.

[VXCL]

I don't have an example like the one you are looking for, but bear with me for a second. I'm not trying to argue, but imagine this situation. I can tell you for a fact that something similar to this has happened before.

You tell the dealership that you read on this forum of the ECU fix.

The dealership goes online and peruses the threads.

They see where you have posted about your experiences with the dealership and they recognize the issues.

Then they read about where you have modified your car in such a way that it affects your warranty.

They save every page they see you post in for future reference and note it in the computer.

You come in with a problem that may or may not be caused by your modifications and they wave the posts in your face. Warranty work is denied and they suggest you find a lawyer to fight them about it.

You find a lawyer. They find a lawyer. Their lawyer subpoenas TIDE for your IP information and they download every post you have made.

You lose the case after the dealership does very specific inspections on your car and spot the tool marks that give away your modifications. End of story.


That is a very possible scenario on how what you post here can cause you trouble. I've been an admin on other sites and I know what it is like to get a subpoena for threads that are needed for a lawsuit. It is hassle and drama that no admin wants. Running the site is hard enough, but once the liability of letting people say whatever they want starts to affect you, then rules start changing.

The bottom line is that if you want to post your kill stories or street racing experiences or how illegally modifiying your car for street use is done, then start your own board and go nuts. It's not hard to do and it can make you some money if you do it right.

yes yes exactly what i wanted to say!!!!! your whole post was perfect. i wish i read it earlier.

[pacbreak gt]

Regarding post 132 from TSi+WRX:

Amen.
(now visualize a smiley with bowed head and closed eyes)

[wukindada]

VXCL Call it whatever you like.. SOA can & will void your warranty. You play you pay:( I live less than an hour from Sebring FL & I can tell you if you use the track for any reason SOA will find out. I found that out with my S4 (the hard way)
I am 34years old, I do not ride around town looking for races. If the trafffic permits and someone wants to test me I am more than willing to take the challenge.
To say in a post that it is due to being immature or a lack of masculinity.... I suggest you swing from my masculinity!
I will no longer post anything in regards to threads regarding street racing ...kills etc... if you have a problem with my feelings PM me;)

[legacy_y_tu]

I can see it coming, pretty soon we're all going to sound like Rao clones:D. The master of "tongue in cheek" and king of "conveying a lot whilst still saying nothing at all" :lol:.

IBRaosayswhomeeee?

[VXCL]

To say in a post that it is due to being immature or a lack of masculinity.... I suggest you swing from my masculinity!
I will no longer post anything in regards to threads regarding street racing ...kills etc... if you have a problem with my feelings PM me;)

Are you talking to me? or to others? Where are you comming from? I never said anything like that to you. :confused:

[PGT]

IBRaosayswhomeeee?

:dm:

[wukindada]

VXCL my comment to you was in regards to SOA & voiding of warranties.
My other comment was for members that are going on & on about street racing....you know who you are!

[team23jordan]

damn took me long time to read the whole damn thing
i've street raced my friend's z4 and posted it on here couple weeks ago
but after reading this thread, i started to ask my self, why did i race him?
what are the consequences?? and if caught by popo, what's gonna happen??

looking back, it was dumb

i heard this on speed channel once,
"street racing is like kissing your sister. it just doesn't make any sense."

i agree with tide and bunch of other members who are against street racing.

[mach_six]

i heard this on speed channel once,
"street racing is like kissing your sister. it just doesn't make any sense."



is that why it street racing is popular down south? :p

Street racing = teh gay

[wukindada]

Is that thare reason ya"ll keeps cummen dawn hare?
Right next door...moved from Long Island (Jan 05)....across the street Scranton, PA(Jun 05)!

[zzzzzzz]

this is the biggest bunch of crap i have ever heard , wheres your balls, 5th ammendment. say what you will, its cool to surf some lude porn site and a bunch of other crap ,but just blogging about your car and YOUR SCARED to post it???????im embarresed to be a part of this site and this will be the last time i visit .... YOU DRIVE A CAR WITH BIG BALLS BUT HAVE NONE OF YOUR OWN!!............LATER POSER!!!

[themute]

^^^^

that speaks for itself.

[melayout]

Tide's decision is doing some good, I love it.

[heightsgtltd]

+1..

How much balls does it take to post an attack like this anonymously? It's really easy to call names, etc. when no one knows who you are.

[PGT]

How much balls does it take to post an attack like this anonymously? It's really easy to call names, etc. when no one knows who you are.

One day, he'll finish high school and learn what responsibility and maturity is ;)

IBattackingresponsefromzzzzzzevenafterhepromisedno ttopostanymore

[Tide]

Yeah, I think the perverbial horse here has been beaten. Topic Closed.