assume 0 mods. 2.5T or 3.0H6

[PPower]

That's it folks. Most people who buy a Legacy won't do anything to get more ponies out like we would/will. So if you knew that you wouldn't or couldn't do anything to it, which would you rather have?

edit: and what affects your vote? Extreme heat climate choosing H6 to avoid heat soak? Mountainous or high altitude choosing FI for efficiency?

[EJ20H-TT]

GT

For the same power the GT will be lighter (smaller engine) and better balanced (less weight over front axle)

Perhaps even more fuel efficient if u don't get on boost.

[PPower]

I put H6 because of the smoothness of the engine and typically a flatter torque curve. No turbo spool up to deal with at all.

[Gumby]

Couldn't agree more with TT but I could see why people would want the H6 in the desert, on a trip south my WRX ran like a dog in 110F desert heat last summer.

[kage]

I prefer the lighter weight of the 2.5T and the greater flexibility in driving. I personally like the dual personality of a turbo car. Others prefer the linearity of the H6. Hooray for options!

[gtguy]

What Kage said. :D

Kevin

[waflowers]

Vote is split 3:3 now.

I voted with PPower for the H6 for the same reasons given the limitation that it wouldn't/couldn't be modded.

However for me I'd take the 2.5T and not leave it stock! :D

[gurpman]

I voted H6. I think I would prefer the low end grunt with no turbo lag.

Realistically, the H6 will come with auto only (correct?), in which case I would probably choose the 2.5T, even if I was not allowed to mod it.

[team23jordan]

voted for 2.5 T
basically what kage said
and i just love turbo and how it sounds :D

[AMT4SWA]

2.5L H4 Turbo for me. I just like the current tuning potential of this motor over the H6, and I do love turbo powered cars when they are tuned right! :)

[PPower]

Now, now. No tuning.

[AMT4SWA]

O.K. for the first week maybe...but then......... :D :D :D :D :D

[Derbagger]

I wonder if people refer to the turbo lag have only eperienced the WRX turbo. The Forester XT has next to no lag, the variable valving and smaller turbo/intercooler play into that. If the lgacy turbo is similar, the performance lost in respnse time will be minimal. The only reason I see for the H6 is the smoothness. NA works well with automatics, and will be good for those looking for class and smooth (competition for G35s and Acura TLs).

[gtmy04]

I wonder if people refer to the turbo lag have only eperienced the WRX turbo. The Forester XT has next to no lag, the variable valving and smaller turbo/intercooler play into that. If the lgacy turbo is similar, the performance lost in respnse time will be minimal. The only reason I see for the H6 is the smoothness. NA works well with automatics, and will be good for those looking for class and smooth (competition for G35s and Acura TLs).

I can only comment on the 2.0 turbo that we get in Australia; from a standstill there is a lag of 1-2 seconds when you put the boot in, but then she's gone. From any rolling start there is virtually no lag as the peak torque figure is at 2400 rpm (not much past walking pace).

[PPower]

i have been told by somebody who tested out the H6 and the 2.0T that the H6 actually felt a little faster at the lower speeds. If it weren't for the tuning potential of FI, it's hard to beat NA.

[SUBE555]

Well, I won't be able to stay away from mods! :P

'Hi my name is Seth and I'm a Subaholic.'

Preston, there is no stopping my but my budget! Thats why I'm getting one early next year.

Hmm, that special one WAFlowers was talking about. *scratches chin in deep thought*

[EJ20H-TT]

Well u could always lightly turbocharge the flat six !!!

[AMT4SWA]

Heck.....BITURBO! (previous S4) :o

[waflowers]

"There's no replacement for displacement."

(Disclaimer for anal gearheads: I acknowelge the above isn't completely true in all circumstances but is a good generalization.)

[Dr. Zevil]

Sometimes that statement can be true, when dealing with the average american lead-sled. I think that turbo'd cars are going to be the direction for performance in the future. You create a jekyl and hyde senario where you can drive the car like an econobox or open it up for some serious fun.

Now turbo-deisel, that's a whole different can of worms. Technically there is no reason why a turbo application shouldn't fit all vehicle types.

[SUBE555]

I think you are right Dr. Zevil.

I really think they need an econo model based on the R1e or similar sized vehicle with a body like this Honda...
http://www.boomplustoys.net/tokyoautosalon/thums/th_tas2004196.jpg
and have the base be like a 1.5L Turbo (yes, they make a 1.5L engine) and make it a responsive little turbo with a CVT tranny (could be like 150hp and rather economical, perhaps high-30mpg range.) If it sold well, well the larger engines could get a little more free roam and not have to evade regulations by making cars considered trucks.

The 3L turbo is said to be pretty good in its new form, with the 5EAT, a bit better, the sort of feed off each others newfound good points, a good 5MT or 6MT would be even better though! The 250/250 EJ255/257 engine in the new Leg should be wonderful as well, I think they have designed them to be close and a toss-up for many. For those of us who tune though, there is little second guessing.

If I was buying one for my wife (still enjoying singlehood at this point :) ) and she wasn't too concerned one way or the other, the H6 would probably be the pick then.

[titsataki]

if you would not mod at all then either one would be fine. A turbo car has a different feel than a naturally aspirated. I would drive them both and make a diecision. If someone was not a preformance enthusiast then the H6 would be just fine. But u r so what if you change your mind and decide to mod in the future? :)

Cheers

Nick

[PPower]

By assuming no mods, it *should* make the preferences more similar to the general public who will be buying. That's all.

[SUBE555]

Hey Preston with this '250/250' turbo engine really be making 280/280? Are we working with a gentlemans rule here? :lol:

[PPower]

I'm wondering if it may really be underspeced or not. While I originally had been thinking it could happen, I'm starting to doubt it some. If the JDM engines are showing 247-255hp & 230ft-lbs from dyno testing, I think 250/250 is quite nice. Maybe the specs are accurate, but I'd still like to hope for a hidden 20-30hp. (up-pipe & down-pipe ;) )

[SUBE555]

I think the XT and GT tune will be similar so I'm not really hoping for any more, but I am hoping for a special model in september. :D

[waflowers]

If the GT is underspecced it won't be by much IMHO. Actually I think the final numbers will be very close to the preliminary announcement.

[EJ20H-TT]

Anyone here driven the flat 6 SVX ?

[EJ20H-TT]

http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/articles/i18/1831_4lo.jpg

[SUBE555]

EJ20H-TT, are you trying to PW by the double-post? :roll: :D

I have not, but I have had the aspirations to stick that motor in a Legacy. :evil: If only the motor was 3 inches shorter. :( I think that would have started the power push several years earlier than the WRX. Could you imagine that torquey engine in an older BD/BG GT! Just a pipe dream of the would haves.

[EJ20H-TT]

[quote="SUBE555"]EJ20H-TT, are you trying to PW by the double-post? :roll: :D

quote]

Just lazy :wink: