Maxima vs. Legacy GT

[legacy2ner]

Will a Legacy GT auto be able to beat a 255 hp maxima. I know it will out handle it. Im talking acceleration.

[SUBE555]

Lets WAIT for the reviews. Bench racing is overrated.

[team23jordan]

i say Legacy VS Lexus new GS...but they are a lot more expensive

[Jason L]

It should beat the Maxima 0-60 and in the 1/4 mi. The Maxima likely will make a bit more wheel hp though and likely even take a Legacy GT on the top end.

Who really knows, though.

[Dr. Zevil]

DUDE! You posted this on the Legacy board....

OF COURSE THE LEGACY WILL KICK THE MAXIMAS BUTT!!

:lol::lol: :D

[gtguy]

One has severe, almost dangerous torque steer, one doesn't. The end.

Kevin

[SUBE555]

Ah, the beauty of torque-steer (or lack-there-of. :P )

[legacy2ner]

Man you would be surprised on how fast the maximas really are. My friend had one and i raced him in a WRX from a 5 mph roll and he rocked me bad. And a 95 maxima keeps up with a wrx from a roll.

[SUBE555]

From a roll, its been said drag racing (the legal variety at least) is all about the launch. I know the Maxima is powerful, but with proper launch technique, you should be able to stay with a Maxima through the 1/4. Thats why I say, its all driver. Do it from a roll, even slow ones, its still not a real good test.

[legacy2ner]

Yeah i agree. But i am bound to race the guy from a roll than a 1/4 mile.

[SUBE555]

Just go to the strip and get some official numbers. Plus, lights help one work on their timing. Then its purely a fair and SAFE race.

[AMT4SWA]

I think the 0 to 60 time for a GT will be at least .5 seconds ahead of the new maxima in the real world (the new maxima has severe torque steer and a drive-by-wire throttle system that makes the regulation of RPM's with a manual difficult for launching). With even the basic tuning done to the new GT, we will have very few challenges from cars even $10,000 more in price...SWEET!!! :P

[SteVTEC]

The "255hp" Maximas are really 240hp (over-rated) but 265 lb-ft of torque (not 246, so under-rated there). They'll do 14.6-14.7 @ 93 at the track with automatics and 2.1-2.2 60' times. A few guys have even gotten 14.4's, but high-14's are the norm. The 6spds will do low-14's usually at 95-97 mph, but the shifter sucks and it's really easy to miss 3rd, so generally they run mid-14's.

My old 99 Maxima (95-99 bodystyle) will do high-14/low-15s @ 92-93 mph with a 5spd. And yes, it's just as quick from a roll as a WRX (stock vs stock) as the trap speeds are about equal.

There's a sticky at Maxima.org with the general consensus on stock times.

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=289125



I'm going to post up some highly technical and "scientifically proven to be very accurate" bench racing hopefully later tonight on what I think the new Legacys will realistically be able to run. :)


Steve

[panos]

The Legacy will definatly take it off the line, but as for the rest of the race it would be quite interesting. I think the Maxima might take it in a 1/4 mile or any other straight line.

In a rally style race however I don't think the Maxima will stand a chance.

[3.75L H6]

GT will top out higher. .28 Cd. only 5 hp diff max.

[gurpman]

Anybody see the previews of the '05 Altima SE-R? I don't think official specs are out yet, but word is it'll be tuned for more power than the Maxima, at a lighter weight. Suspension and tires should be good too. Sounds like a pretty good package for the money if you can live with FWD. In a straight line I'm guessing it will eat up a stock leg GT.

[SteVTEC]

Yeah I saw that....

http://www.nissannews.com/nissan/2005vehicles/altima_se-r/index.shtml

It's one of the "other" cars that I'll be considering, and it'll definitely be a force to be reckoned with - especially in a straight line. But I'm still leaning towards the Legacy pretty heavily for a lot of reasons.

[Dr. Zevil]

I can only imagine the torque steer in that car. The old altima was said to have too much power for a FWD car on it's platform. I wonder if Nissan ever really listens?

[Gumby]

As far as I'm concerned anything over 200 hp is to much.

[SUBE555]

Better have a good LSD in it to reduce torque steer. I mean, for the performance of the car, it would only help it significantly making it safer for a marginal increase in cost.

[SteVTEC]

There's good and bad things about every drivetrain configuration. Torque steer is one of the sore points of high-powered FWD cars, but other configurations (RWD and AWD) have their weaknesses also. Just something to be aware of when trying to figure out which car will work best for you. The Maxima guys don't complain about torque steer too much. If you're gonna get on it, just be sure to have a firm grasp of the wheel. ;)

There's ways of mitigating torque steer, but it doesn't seem to be a very high priority on cars these days (safety standards and emissions are). The new TL and Maxima are said to torque steer "heavily" but most people that buy them didn't seem to care enough that it would stop them from buying it.

[SUBE555]

Or they don't get on it enough. ;)

[SteVTEC]

I'm not to sure about that.

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=293641

:mrgreen:

[SUBE555]

I think the MAJORITY of Maxima owners wouldn't eve think about revving that engine past 4k rpm. Heck, there's someone I talk to on a semi-regular basis from Nabisco, her dad has an STi, first thing he did was throw all-season CEC's on the STi because it rode too harsh, and doesn't believe in taking it past 4k rpm. So sad!

[SteVTEC]

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/stevtecv6/smilies/spit.gif buahahaha

Oh boy...what a waste of an STi. That is sad. Not really - lemme know who it is because I'll buy it off of them in a few years when they're bored with it because I'll know it was babied. :mrgreen:

And there's so much low and mid-range torque in Maximas that there's no need to rev them more than 4k. They're almost like domestics. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/stevtecv6/smilies/chuckle.gif. The Honda guys around here are a different story - always got their foot flat to the floor. I think they're just trying to get some torque. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/stevtecv6/smilies/gapteeth.gif

[SUBE555]

:lol: You must be bored because you've found some great smiles!

[Gumby]

:offtopic:

[SteVTEC]

:lol: You must be bored because you've found some great smiles!
I have a "small" collection on my http that snowballed to 350 some smilies now over the years, heh.

You're right though. "Most" Maxima drivers will never go above 4k. You could say that about Legacy drivers too. But certainly not the ones online in enthusiast groups like these.

"doug's" 1997 Maxima GXE 5MT
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/stevtecv6/smilies/dougspeedo.jpg

hehehe

[Gumby]

I hope that was on the salt flats or somewhere similar.

[SteVTEC]

nah, 1/4 mile track. That was 5th so he had just enough gear to make it. ;)


obviously i'm kidding, it was PSed I think...lolol :mrgreen:

[Gumby]

So 6250 rpm in reverse winds the speedo back that far? :laugh:

*edit* :wink:

[SUBE555]

Um, what was all done to that car? :o

[3.75L H6]

So 6250 rpm in reverse winds the speedo back that far? :laugh:

*edit* :wink:

:lol: zing!