Leather vs Cloth

[outahere]

I have never owned a vehicle with leather interior, but I do have some leather furniture in my house. The leather interior in the Legacy looks much better than the cloth interior, but what are the downsides to leather, other than increased cost? It requires more maintenance, right? And it is probably less comfortable in hot weather than cloth, because it doesn't breathe like cloth (have noticed this with the leather furniture in my house).

Do you find automotive leather more comfortable than cloth?
Why do you prefer one over the other?

[Drift Monkey]

Cloth. Leather is ass burning hot in the Texas heat for one thing, and sticking to the seat isn't fun. For colder cilmates the seat warmers will probably do the job nicely. The maintainence for the leather is more, and cloth is easier to clean. Cloth also usually ages better.

[AreEyeSeeKay]

My forester is my first car with leather, and I prefer it to colth. Kid spills milk in it all the time, wipes clean with a wet rag, it doesn't stain. Crumbs and dust don't get ground in the fabric, so after you clean it still looks new.
With cloth you are shampooing to get that stuff out.

It does get a hot in the sun, but that only lasts until the A/C kicks in. The only other weakness I could think of is vulnerablity to punctures if you had a dog or were hauling alot of tools.

[outahere]

Cloth. Leather is ass burning hot in the Texas heat for one thing, and sticking to the seat isn't fun.

LOL, I can believe that. I think some of the Mercedes $$$$$$ sedans have cooled leather seats to prevent that problem.

[axis008]

Don't forget that the leather in the Legacy is perforated, probably helping the "breathing" issue. What's more comfortable in the long run? Leather or cloth? If I get a car, I'll be driving back and forth Northern and Southern California, so I'll need to keep comfortable.

[Drift Monkey]

I still say cloth though I'll admit I haven't sat in the LTD seats yet.

[SC GT]

The leather-burning-your-ass problem isn't so bad as long as you tint your windows.

[Drift Monkey]

The leather-burning-your-ass problem isn't so bad as long as you tint your windows.
You don't live in TX do you?

[SC GT]

The leather-burning-your-ass problem isn't so bad as long as you tint your windows.
You don't live in TX do you?

No, but neither does outahere.

[brady_bunch]

I'm actually interested on seeing how the lighter color leather in the Limited works out as far as being hot during the summer. My tan leather in my Miata can scorch the backs of your legs if you aren't careful but I have heard that dark leather is worse. The Limited leather is lighter plus I plan on tinting the GT darker than I tinted the Miata (you can't do much with a plastic back window).

[*Jedimaster*]

I was just gonna post about this. Mine is an 05 Outback XT limited with charcoal leather- are you supposed to use leather conditioner on it or Armor All?

[Gumby]

Use a good quality leather conditioner and it will last a long time and not crack.

[7stars]

everyone i know uses Lexol. I've used meguiars, armor all, even more expensive stuff like oakwood, and none can compare.

[*Jedimaster*]

Yeah, that's the brand I always see advertised- Lexol- I wonder how often you have to use it and does it make the seats sticky?

[gurpman]

I've been torn over the cloth vs. leather issue myself (I know, life is tough isn't it?).

I think cloth is more comfortable, doesn't burn or freeze your ass like leather, and holds your butt in place around turns better than leather.

Leather protects against odors and stains better, and it looks nicer.

For me I think the answer is to get cloth. The extra $$$ for leather just isn't worth it for something that isn't clearly superior in the first place. In the summer I'll throw on one of those cheap seat covers to protect against my sweaty or wet ass when coming from the pool or beach. I generally don't let the kids eat or drink in the car so stains should not be much of an issue.

[brady_bunch]

In the summer I'll throw on one of those cheap seat covers to protect against my sweaty or wet ass when coming from the pool or beach.

Oh, the mental pictures from that one! I think it's time for therapy again! :lol:

[gurpman]

Admit it, you needed the therapy anyway :lol:

If I'm blown away by the leather interior I may change my mind, but cloth seems to make a lot more sense.

[Sub-attraction]

Yeah, that's the brand I always see advertised- Lexol- I wonder how often you have to use it and does it make the seats sticky?

I use the Lexol cleaner and conditioner on my leather seats now. Just make sure you rinse your rag often with plenty of clean water and dry the leather immediately. You will know when your leather needs to be cleaned when it gets that oily shine. Lexol will return it to a nice soft satin sheen. Use the conditioner after every cleaning to keep the leather from drying out and to help reduce the amount of oil from your skin being absorbed. I clean the interior 2-3 times a year, sometimes more often on the drivers seat and definitely the steering wheel. Been wondering though how it will be to clean a perforated seat. Seems like the water could get down under or those little holes get clogged.

[7stars]

One big disadvantage with leather is that you can't use those aftermarket seat covers. I know because I've tried. They just slide around. I have some cheap wetsuit material covers I got from Costco that I'll use on my cloth seats

[axis008]

One big disadvantage with leather is that you can't use those aftermarket seat covers. I know because I've tried. They just slide around. I have some cheap wetsuit material covers I got from Costco that I'll use on my cloth seats
Depends what kind. My dad has a nasty sheepskin cover for our Mercedes. It doesn't slide around and it gets too hot in the weather we have at home. But yeah. In our van we also have one and it slides around a lot, but with the supplied support cable thingys it doesn't move that much.

[godwhomismike]

I'm going for the leather seats.

[Drift Monkey]

One big disadvantage with leather is that you can't use those aftermarket seat covers. I know because I've tried. They just slide around. I have some cheap wetsuit material covers I got from Costco that I'll use on my cloth seats
I don't really like the look/feel of covers, so I probably won't be using any. Although a layer of plastic over the floormats (just to be extra clean) may be in my future.

[*Jedimaster*]

Thanks man! This is my first car with leather, so I want to make sure it's going to last the life of the car.

Yeah, that's the brand I always see advertised- Lexol- I wonder how often you have to use it and does it make the seats sticky?

I use the Lexol cleaner and conditioner on my leather seats now. Just make sure you rinse your rag often with plenty of clean water and dry the leather immediately. You will know when your leather needs to be cleaned when it gets that oily shine. Lexol will return it to a nice soft satin sheen. Use the conditioner after every cleaning to keep the leather from drying out and to help reduce the amount of oil from your skin being absorbed. I clean the interior 2-3 times a year, sometimes more often on the drivers seat and definitely the steering wheel. Been wondering though how it will be to clean a perforated seat. Seems like the water could get down under or those little holes get clogged.

[Dr. Zevil]

Yeah, that's the brand I always see advertised- Lexol- I wonder how often you have to use it and does it make the seats sticky?

I use the Lexol cleaner and conditioner on my leather seats now. Just make sure you rinse your rag often with plenty of clean water and dry the leather immediately. You will know when your leather needs to be cleaned when it gets that oily shine. Lexol will return it to a nice soft satin sheen. Use the conditioner after every cleaning to keep the leather from drying out and to help reduce the amount of oil from your skin being absorbed. I clean the interior 2-3 times a year, sometimes more often on the drivers seat and definitely the steering wheel. Been wondering though how it will be to clean a perforated seat. Seems like the water could get down under or those little holes get clogged.

This is a good point, also thanks for the info on taking care of leather. I had no idea what I should do to condition and keep it looking like new. Thanks again!

[Ninjapimp]

...Been wondering though how it will be to clean a perforated seat. Seems like the water could get down under or those little holes get clogged.

That's always been my concern with perforated leather too. I personally find perforated leather a bad thing and is one of my gripes with this car. I guess i'll just have to get used to it.

[CPTChaplin]

Okay, so I am looking at this car as more of an investment than I have ever looked at a car before. Typically, I have looked at a car as an expense and a House as an investment. However, the Subaru and especially the new Legacy GT's I think will be an item that will retain its value well.

What is the take on the resale value of a car with leather seats? Better or worse? I may not want a jetted soaking tub in my bathroom, but I think it would be a selling point to the general populous on real estate listing. Ideas?

J.R.

[tallguylehigh]

Okay, so I am looking at this car as more of an investment than I have ever looked at a car before. Typically, I have looked at a car as an expense and a House as an investment. However, the Subaru and especially the new Legacy GT's I think will be an item that will retain its value well.

What is the take on the resale value of a car with leather seats? Better or worse? I may not want a jetted soaking tub in my bathroom, but I think it would be a selling point to the general populous on real estate listing. Ideas?

J.R.

Usually the resale value is higher for the cars that have all of the options as opposed to a bare bones model, or a model with only a handful of options. So if you are looking at resale value, I'd say go with the leather. That and I saw the cloth and it wasnt anything to write home about.

Oh, and one more thing, a car is never an investment, it is always an expense. :(

[Dr. Zevil]

Bought my WRX in 01 for around $25K. I will be selling it this year for $18K. It has 30K miles on it. There are not a lot of cars that can hold thier resale value like that. You have chosen the right car and manufacturer for resale. That's for sure!

[brady_bunch]

Oh, and one more thing, a car is never an investment, it is always an expense. :(

Sadly, that is true. The only time I could ever consider a car "an investment" is buying a make/model that is some kind of limited production or high demand car and then put no miles on it, store it somewhere for 25 years, and then bring it out and sell it as a "classic" for at least as much as it cost you (plus storage cost, insurance cost, etc) :)

CPTChaplin, I have made the mistake in the past of buying "limited edition" or "special edition" cars with the intent of "making an investment" in the car in the hopes that they would have high resale values. My pristine '94 "M Edition" Miata that cost about $22K ten years ago is now worth about $4K. Not a good "investment". Any "investment" that costs me money is not a good investment... that way lies to living in boxes in alleys. Fortunately I'm not there yet. :lol:

I would definitely expect a fully loaded GT to have higher resale than other makes/models in its class but not an "investment level" resale value.

Sorry for the long post.

[CPTChaplin]

Okay, so I am looking at this car as more of an investment than I have ever looked at a car before. Typically, I have looked at a car as an expense and a House as an investment. However, the Subaru and especially the new Legacy GT's I think will be an item that will retain its value well.

What is the take on the resale value of a car with leather seats? Better or worse? I may not want a jetted soaking tub in my bathroom, but I think it would be a selling point to the general populous on real estate listing. Ideas?

J.R.

Oh, and one more thing, a car is never an investment, it is always an expense. :(

Okay let me clarify, "I'm looking at this car as, less of a risky expense..." would the general sube driver agree with this statement?

[SC GT]

I'd say the Legacy GT seems like a great value. Based upon its features and performance, I think you are paying for very little fat. IMO, the Ltd. package doesn't add much value to resale. If you want the features and will enjoy them, then by all means go for it. But if you are thinking just in terms of resale value, you'd pay over $2000 to get it, but you won't get that $2000 back when you sell.

Case in point: KBB lists the trade-in value of my 2001 Acura TL with Navi at only around $400 more than a TL w/out Navi. Navi was around a $1500 option, so it was not worth it from a resale POV, but worth it to me because I got good use out of the Navi over the past three years.

[tallguylehigh]

I'd say the Legacy GT seems like a great value. Based upon its features and performance, I think you are paying for very little fat. IMO, the Ltd. package doesn't add much value to resale. If you want the features and will enjoy them, then by all means go for it. But if you are thinking just in terms of resale value, you'd pay over $2000 to get it, but you won't get that $2000 back when you sell.

Case in point: KBB lists the trade-in value of my 2001 Acura TL with Navi at only around $400 more than a TL w/out Navi. Navi was around a $1500 option, so it was not worth it from a resale POV, but worth it to me because I got good use out of the Navi over the past three years.

That is very true, but I think that the options that the Limited has over the base GT will serve you better in the long run. The dual zone automatic climate control is an excellent example. Right now, the next step so to say is automatic climate controls- hell, even the Acura RSX has it. To have a car without automatic climate control could be a problem further down the road when automatic climate control becomes more of a "must" to the driving public.

At least thats my opinion on it.

[WRXTom]

Dual-zone is standard on the GT. But, I do like the sunroof in the Ltd Wagon.

Tom

[CombatCQB]

I think we've seem a lot of evidence that the dual zone controls come standard with the base GT as well.

I don't think a sunroof fetches much on resale. I can get leather later on for not that much. It's going to be a matter of personal taste in the end.

[CPTChaplin]

When I speak of lower risk expense I am referring to;

1. A car that I love to drive and that is some what practical.
2. A car that will not cost more to insure that it will for the monthly payment.
3. A car that is easy to maintain
4. A car that is safe AND FUN.

I had a 1992 BMW 325i Convertible that I bought for $12,500 with 50k miles. I drove the car for 4 years, put 70k miles on it, payed off, and wrecked the front fender on 2 days before my wedding. The insurance company totaled the car due to frame damage and cost of parts. They paid me $12,000 for it.

That is what I am talking about. A car that you drive, maintain, and enjoy and you don't take a beating in the bank book when your done. This I hope is my Subaru GT Ltd, Silver Wagon.

J.R.

[SC GT]

I'd say the Legacy GT seems like a great value. Based upon its features and performance, I think you are paying for very little fat. IMO, the Ltd. package doesn't add much value to resale. If you want the features and will enjoy them, then by all means go for it. But if you are thinking just in terms of resale value, you'd pay over $2000 to get it, but you won't get that $2000 back when you sell.

Case in point: KBB lists the trade-in value of my 2001 Acura TL with Navi at only around $400 more than a TL w/out Navi. Navi was around a $1500 option, so it was not worth it from a resale POV, but worth it to me because I got good use out of the Navi over the past three years.

That is very true, but I think that the options that the Limited has over the base GT will serve you better in the long run. The dual zone automatic climate control is an excellent example. Right now, the next step so to say is automatic climate controls- hell, even the Acura RSX has it. To have a car without automatic climate control could be a problem further down the road when automatic climate control becomes more of a "must" to the driving public.

At least thats my opinion on it.

Yeah, when I thought the dual climate controls were a Ltd. option only, then I was leaning toward the Ltd. package, even though the moonroof does nothing for me. But since the reports are that the base GT also comes with dual climate controls, I'd prefer the GT and $2000 to the GT. Ltd.

[CombatCQB]

That is what I am talking about. A car that you drive, maintain, and enjoy and you don't take a beating in the bank book when your done. This I hope is my Subaru GT Ltd, Silver Wagon.

I wish all new car buys are like that. Unfortunatly, depreciation kicks in pretty hard once that car goes out the door. So I don't think you'll ever getting anything that good with a new car.

[agctr]

IF u can afford, go the leather option, easier to clean and no way near as much dust. They are a little slidy at first and way cold in winter but once they warm up, there alllllll good.

[axis008]

Since you guys seem a bit unsure about the dual zone climate control, it does indeed come standard on the 2.5GT non-Limited. I know this because I sat in one and I have no reason to lie :). Pics to come when I test drive it soon...

[gtguy]

IF u can afford, go the leather option, easier to clean and no way near as much dust. They are a little slidy at first and way cold in winter but once they warm up, there alllllll good.

To each their own. I can afford it, but I hate leather seats, not to mention that I do a of throwing muddy bikes around the car, and sitting in the car in wet cycling gear. Cloth takes a nice shampooing, and off you go.

Leather also feels gross to me when I'm wearing shorts. This, combined with the fact that with the wagon's huge sunroof, a boy's mind wonders about decreased rigidity, made me a base GT person. Now, all my bloody car has to do is show up.

Kevin

[agctr]

Good point about the shorts Kevin, have the same drama here myself but its not too bad once you crank up the aircon.

No need to shampoo if u have leather as a damp cloth is all good. Plus the leather would have much better resale when you upgrade to the Porsche GT2.

[Dr. Zevil]

IF u can afford, go the leather option, easier to clean and no way near as much dust. They are a little slidy at first and way cold in winter but once they warm up, there alllllll good.

To each their own. I can afford it, but I hate leather seats, not to mention that I do a of throwing muddy bikes around the car, and sitting in the car in wet cycling gear. Cloth takes a nice shampooing, and off you go.

Leather also feels gross to me when I'm wearing shorts. This, combined with the fact that with the wagon's huge sunroof, a boy's mind wonders about decreased rigidity, made me a base GT person. Now, all my bloody car has to do is show up.

Kevin

You are really worried about rigidity with the moonroof? I highly doubt that it will have any impact on the chassis rigidity at all. I guess I would rather have the moonroof than anything. It's pretty much a must for me.

[Drift Monkey]

You are really worried about rigidity with the moonroof? I highly doubt that it will have any impact on the chassis rigidity at all. I guess I would rather have the moonroof than anything. It's pretty much a must for me.
As am I. It very wel might not effect it to much, but knowing me, I want to extract the maximum potential from the car. Which is why I also chose the base over the limited. That and a lower overall curb weight mean much to me.

[gtguy]

IF u can afford, go the leather option, easier to clean and no way near as much dust. They are a little slidy at first and way cold in winter but once they warm up, there alllllll good.

To each their own. I can afford it, but I hate leather seats, not to mention that I do a of throwing muddy bikes around the car, and sitting in the car in wet cycling gear. Cloth takes a nice shampooing, and off you go.

Leather also feels gross to me when I'm wearing shorts. This, combined with the fact that with the wagon's huge sunroof, a boy's mind wonders about decreased rigidity, made me a base GT person. Now, all my bloody car has to do is show up.

Kevin

You are really worried about rigidity with the moonroof? I highly doubt that it will have any impact on the chassis rigidity at all. I guess I would rather have the moonroof than anything. It's pretty much a must for me.

Sure am. A friend who is into BMWs (both racing and street hooliganism) has to special order BMWs to get them without the sunroof. He says there's a noticeable difference between roof and no roof. And with one as huge as the wagon's, I'm sure there is a difference. You can't cut an almost three-foot-long hole in the roof and not affect rigidity. It is enough to matter? Dunno. Short-term, certainly not. Long-term, who knows?

Kevin

[WRXTom]

Not to mention the extra weight sittin' way up high on the car.

Tom

[salomonrobyn]

I got several recommendations to get leather seats because one frequent rider is our Golden Retriever, who not only sheds a lot, but is often wet from swimming in ponds and lakes. Apparently cloth seats are easier to keep free of dog hairs and they don't absorved the wet dog smell (eventhough my dog rides in the wagon trunk, the cloth seats of our current car are smelly and full of hairs).
I'm not interested in the other features of the Limited, so the dealer offered after-market leather seats. However, he went to check and was told that because of the air-bags in the seats, Subaru is not letting the dealers to install after-market leather seats. :(

[Th3Franz]

I got several recommendations to get leather seats because one frequent rider is our Golden Retriever, who not only sheds a lot, but is often wet from swimming in ponds and lakes. Apparently cloth seats are easier to keep free of dog hairs and they don't absorved the wet dog smell (eventhough my dog rides in the wagon trunk, the cloth seats of our current car are smelly and full of hairs).
I'm not interested in the other features of the Limited, so the dealer offered after-market leather seats. However, he went to check and was told that because of the air-bags in the seats, Subaru is not letting the dealers to install after-market leather seats. :(
I think it's Katzkin that makes custom leather seat covers that will work with stock airbags. So.. just give it some time and install it yourself or have a professional installer who doesn't work for the dealership do it.

[agctr]

Weight up high, really, at the end of the day, who will be on the limit everytime all the time to even worry about the weight up high. This goes also for rigidity. Change the springs, dampners, ride height etc and I dont think u would even worry about the extra weight etc.

Its a bit like the BMWM3, the magazines say that the 19" rims are no good as they skip and slide around under brakes. Guess what ? More sets of 19" are sold than the stock 18", why? because its all about fashion and stance. enough said.....

[Drift Monkey]

Weight up high, really, at the end of the day, who will be on the limit everytime all the time to even worry about the weight up high. This goes also for rigidity. Change the springs, dampners, ride height etc and I dont think u would even worry about the extra weight etc.

Its a bit like the BMWM3, the magazines say that the 19" rims are no good as they skip and slide around under brakes. Guess what ? More sets of 19" are sold than the stock 18", why? because its all about fashion and stance. enough said.....
Well, I so care and worry about those things, even when not "at the limit" all day long. A more rigid body means a safer body, and extra weight up top means the car will be more top heavy.

If the 18s really perform better than the 19s, I'd definately go for them. It's not just about fashion and stance to all of us...

[agctr]

DM, I hear what you are saying and yes they are valid points. I think if u were to lower the car at the front and back and add swaybars, the car would handle so much better and may enable u to not to worry as much about the roof etc etc.

Not sure if you have seen the 19's on the M3 but they look mad. I will try and dig up a few pics. The tire wall on the 19's is so small so the harshness of the ride is increased dramatically and this doesnt help the skipping around at all.

[7stars]

You know what, I upgraded my car's suspension to the max...struts, springs, fr/rr swaybars, and it just became absolutely boring unless I was actually driving at the limit. On a stock suspension, you're driving at the limit a lot more often :D

[agctr]

Ahh ok, duely noted, I would like to do a few suspension updates to the new GT, just to make the ride a bit stiffer around corners and that but dont want to make the ride any harsher if that makes sense. So how much do you think u have spent on all your suspension upgrades and what brands do u use?

[gtguy]

Ahh ok, duely noted, I would like to do a few suspension updates to the new GT, just to make the ride a bit stiffer around corners and that but dont want to make the ride any harsher if that makes sense. So how much do you think u have spent on all your suspension upgrades and what brands do u use?

7stars, being at the limit is dangerous, because it doesn't take much to push things over the limit, then the driver is posting crash pictures, and expecting everyone to feel sorry for them because they were stupid. My preference is to find the limit, and then drive well below it. There's nothing worse than being a passenger in your own car, as I was back in my "at the limit, all the time" days. I hit a patch of oil that I didn't expect to be there, and being at the limit, there was zero margin for error. Luckily, it was 2 a.m. and there was no traffic, or I would have hurt someone, and not just my ego.

Agctr, the magical question is how to flatten out a car without making it more uncomfortable, and if you find out, let us know. Generally, to flatten a car out in the corners, you have to make springs stiffer, while also increasing strut valving to accomodate the increased spring rates. That ride is going to be less compliant, which means less comfortable. Remember my standard litany, that body roll isn't always a bad thing.

Kevin

[7stars]

Ahh ok, duely noted, I would like to do a few suspension updates to the new GT, just to make the ride a bit stiffer around corners and that but dont want to make the ride any harsher if that makes sense. So how much do you think u have spent on all your suspension upgrades and what brands do u use?

That's what bigger swaybars are for.

[gtguy]

Ahh ok, duely noted, I would like to do a few suspension updates to the new GT, just to make the ride a bit stiffer around corners and that but dont want to make the ride any harsher if that makes sense. So how much do you think u have spent on all your suspension upgrades and what brands do u use?

That's what bigger swaybars are for.

It only SEEMS like I'm in contrarian mode today. :lol:

Bigger swaybars are a pox to a well-designed suspension, because the bigger you go, the less independent your independent suspension gets. With that lack of independence come ride artifacts that devotees of live rear axle cars are all too familiar with, most notably bump steer and yes, lift-throttle oversteer.

You do get less body roll, though, that is true. Notice, for example, how the one thing you don't see on that extensive STi parts catalogue for Legacies is sway bars. Companies such as Cusco and the like will no doubt offer them, but I'm betting an outfit such as STi, who has done the research and testing, understands why simply bolting on bigger sway bars isn't the answer.

I'm not even sure, as it was in the case of the WRX wagon, that simply size-matching front and rear sway bars would improve things on the Legacy GT, because of how the bar now attaches, right at the business end of things at the extreme outer edge of the bar, right by the hub. You could wind up with a tail-happy car when all is said and done.

Kevin

[brady_bunch]

At the risk of arousing the ire of those recently posting... aren't we a bit off topic? :D

[SUBE555]

I looked at the thread earlier brady_bunch and I was confused how this dealt with leather vs cloth. *scratches head*

Kevin, get back on topic! :mrgreen:

[gtguy]

I looked at the thread earlier brady_bunch and I was confused how this dealt with leather vs cloth. *scratches head*

Kevin, get back on topic! :mrgreen:

Leather! Cloth! Leather? Cloth?

Cloth.

There...and hey, they started it. :lol:

Kevin

[SUBE555]

This place sounds like an episode from RedvsBlue.com. :lol:

[Drift Monkey]

Cloth.

[SC GT]

So has anyone posted pictures of the cloth GT seats yet?

[Th3Franz]

So has anyone posted pictures of the cloth GT seats yet?
I think so but I could post some in a couple days. :D I saw them in person again last week, and I do think they look better in person.

[Drift Monkey]

I think so but I could post some in a couple days. :D I saw them in person again last week, and I do think they look better in person.
They FEEL better as well. I like them, though I still have yet to sit in the leathers.

[jk]

i usually HATE leather but was thinking about putting up with it to get the wagon's huge sunroof. i sat in an outback ltd and i was surprised that the leather actually felt very good. perhaps it has something to do with the perforations making it more supple (albeit harder to clean).

[IwannaSportSedan]

i usually HATE leather but was thinking about putting up with it to get the wagon's huge sunroof. i sat in an outback ltd and i was surprised that the leather actually felt very good. perhaps it has something to do with the perforations making it more supple (albeit harder to clean).

One other option is to buy the limited for the moonroof, and organize a trade with another Legacy or outback owner who wants leather seats, but has a non-limited model with the same color cloth seats. Seats can be un-bolted, moonroofs can't really be swapped.

[SC GT]

i usually HATE leather but was thinking about putting up with it to get the wagon's huge sunroof. i sat in an outback ltd and i was surprised that the leather actually felt very good. perhaps it has something to do with the perforations making it more supple (albeit harder to clean).

One other option is to buy the limited for the moonroof, and organize a trade with another Legacy or outback owner who wants leather seats, but has a non-limited model with the same color cloth seats. Seats can be un-bolted, moonroofs can't really be swapped.

That was my suggestion earlier in this thread. I'd be willing to trade someone in the So Cal area GT sedan cloth seats, door cards, and $700 for GT Ltd. leather. I just don't know when, and if, I'll be getting my GT.

[SUBE555]

I was in the std GT for a bit last night driving back with Franz and all I have to say is I really like the fabrics and I was wrong about those seats. Definitely better than the OB XT ones, more firm but hit me a lot better than the '04 WRX seats do. Wouldn't want them any tighter on the sides than they are, but maybe a hair more bolstering. Overall, pretty good.

[WRXTom]

Check out the link for a pic. For reference, the wallet is black and the glasses are bronze.

Tom


http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr?i=wNDU2NjkxNnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D

[yankees25]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the power seats vs non power seats. When I sat in the GT (non-LTD), I was disappointed that you couldn't tilt the front of the seat base. The front of the seat felt way too low. For that reason alone I've pretty much ruled out the GT in favor of the LTD.

[SUBE555]

Personally, I love manual seats and won't ever buy power seats if I can have my way, regardless of the seat bottoms. They felt fairly good to me. I'm just not used to riding in the passenger seat. :P Behind the wheel is my normal position.

[jk]

the leather is perforated, and i'm wondering if anyone knows what's behind the perforations. it suddenly hit me that we could have the worst of both worlds- the hot/cold leather thing, and impossible cleaning problems with stuff soaking into cloth behind the perforations, not to mention cleaners and conditioners getting caught in the perforations. anyone know what's behind the little holes in the leather?

[agctr]

Anyone not enjoying their leather on the GT Limited Edition?
Adam.

[Deer Killer]

Anyone not enjoying their leather on the GT Limited Edition?
Adam.

No!

It's very good soft leather, that doesn't have any of the downsides of "leather" that I've seen in other cars. (Most recently compared to a maxima.. UCK!). Hasn't burned me or been too cold yet..

[mmanus88]

i guess it all depends on your individual situations. most of you are apparently from texas :) so the hot leather thing might drive you away from it. one of the main reasons i'm getting a leg gt lmtd is because i want a sports luxury sedan feel, and no leather to me kinda defeats the whole purpose. i have sat in teh cloth, and i def. like the feel of leather better, looks a lot better as well imo.

[SC GT]

I had leather in my last three cars (BMW 328, Acura TL, WRX wagon with Katzkins), and my wife has had leather in her two SUVs. I opted for the cloth in the LGT and have had absolutely no regrets whatsoever. Before I bought the car, I was considering either a leather install or a swap with someone who bought an LGT solely for the moonroof. Now, I am perfectly content with the cloth.

[emlevins]

No!

It's very good soft leather, that doesn't have any of the downsides of "leather" that I've seen in other cars. (Most recently compared to a maxima.. UCK!). Hasn't burned me or been too cold yet..

Well, I love the leather but here in NW PA it has been cold on some mornings (40s) and when I have sat in the seats without a jacket the seats have been chilly...but, they heat up awfully quick with the heated seats.

[Drift Monkey]

Anyone not enjoying their leather on the GT Limited Edition?
Adam.
:raisedead:

[jennjay]

Guys, I live in Southwest Florida, (ie It's Hot). The taupe leather has not been a problem at all. It is comfortable, leather does breath because it is natural, cleans easier from spills than cloth ever will. The leather seat is also bolstered better, sit in both seats and feel the difference. I did get my windows tinted recently after 3 months but not because of the heat on the seats, because the steering wheel and shifter got hot and also because it looks better.

[gtguy]

The leather seat is also bolstered better, sit in both seats and feel the difference.

I have and no, they aren't. The leather is stiffer than the cloth, which accounts for the difference that you feel.

Kevin

[05LegacyGT330Ci]

I will agree the leather definately makes the interior look better but I went sans leather becuase I didn't buy this car for a luxury I bought it for utility so I was happy to find I could get it in cloth.

[ih8vtec13]

i have always prefered cloth, its not as hot or cold and i bought my gt to drive fast in and taking hard turns with leather you tend to do quite a bit of sliding

[SUBE555]

Right on VTEC. The leather might be nice, but it's a sport wagon and for me, sticking to those seats come first. I'm glad seat heaters come in all GT's because I've used them a number of times. They come in rather handy, especially when you've got a lady with you and they aren't as warm as you, same with the climate control, never realized how nice dual-zone is until you have a reason for it.

[Deer Killer]

i bought my gt to drive fast in and taking hard turns with leather you tend to do quite a bit of sliding

Hasn't happened yet. I exceed the limit of traction quite often as well.

[ih8vtec13]

those heated seats are going to feel so good after a long day of snowboarding let me tell you crank the heat and crank the seat :D

[agctr]

Seriously guys, I THROW my Liberty around like you would not believe (you dont go thru thread every 30K miles by not) and I have NEVER slipped or slid anywhere. You guys must all be wearing SILK.
Adam.

Anyone in the closet ??? LMAO

[ih8vtec13]

Seriously guys, I THROW my Liberty around like you would not believe (you dont go thru thread every 30K miles by not) and I have NEVER slipped or slid anywhere. You guys must all be wearing SILK.
Adam.

Anyone in the closet ??? LMAO
Silk isnt gay if your on the way to a night club or something, real men wear velour :D (only above he waist when i have a hot date)

[agctr]

LOL, very funny.......
Hmm velour hey, sounds like a pimp now, hmm maybe with silk under neath and I said nothing to refer to gay at all. LOL...
Adam.

[ih8vtec13]

anyone in the closet isnt a gay ref lol it is in the states anyway ok thats enough of that now

[Black_Legacy]

I don't care for leathing in the summer. Plus I have kids

[Hero]

I've never been that big of a fan as for buy a car with leather seats as it costs so much just to get the leather and then you have to pay just to take care of it. I've always gone with cloth seats and those have always worked very well. Cloth is more cost effective in every way you look at it so why not get it ;)

The main thing that angers me about the new Legacys and Outbacks is that to get the huge sunroof on the wagons you have to get the leather and it comes out to being about $2500 extra. Damnit Subaru, make the friggin' roof standard on all Legs and OBs or at least make it an optional :mad:

[ih8vtec13]

I've never been that big of a fan as for buy a car with leather seats as it costs so much just to get the leather and then you have to pay just to take care of it. I've always gone with cloth seats and those have always worked very well. Cloth is more cost effective in every way you look at it so why not get it ;)

The main thing that angers me about the new Legacys and Outbacks is that to get the huge sunroof on the wagons you have to get the leather and it comes out to being about $2500 extra. Damnit Subaru, make the friggin' roof standard on all Legs and OBs or at least make it an optional :mad:
I agree with you on the sunroof part and it think it should be an option not standard, i have a black gt and its going to get hot enough in the summer without a large peice of glass in the roof, so why make it any hotter then it has to be. Im not a big fan o sunroofs any way but the only positive side is that you can open it a crack and let some heat out so the glass doesnt blow out on you insted of opening your windows a crack. plus its one more thing that i can for get to close, and an extre seal to worry about so it makes rain floding the car more possable.

[agctr]

Leather for me is fine, no dramas whatsoever and the best part is, they are SO easy to keep clean and dont get anywhere near as dirty as cloth.
Adam.

[mmanus88]

hero, i know u meant nothing by it, but "cost effectiveness" is not an aspect for many buyers. many of you talk about sliding and constant maitenance. sliding? u must be wearing some pretty dam silky clothing cause my ass wasn't going anywhere when i test drove a limited gt :lol: . as for maitenance, that is an idividual situation. if u have kids/pets always in the car and whatnot, sure leather may not be a good idea. but if your not in a situation where staining is a big possibility, like me (this is my first car) then leather is def. the way to go for the luxury look, granted you actually like leather altogether in the first place

[agctr]

Fantastic response mmanus88. Its a like or dislike and everyone has different reasons for wants in a car. But agreed, you guys must have some very silky or shinny getup to be sliding around like you say.

Pretty sure most road going Ferrari's have leather including the ENZO and I think that thing has a little more poke than any Subaru will ever have. To name a few others

SL65 has leather
E55 has leather
C55 has leather
SLK55 has leather
F360 has leather
F430 will have leather
575M has leather
Gallardo has leather
M3 has leather
M5 has leather
GT2 has leather
911 Turbo has leather

Granted there are a LOT of rides that DONT have leather, but have just named some of the World's Best Supercars and most them will come with leather as standard.
Adam.

[ih8vtec13]

Leather looks cool but it wouldnt work for me i forgot to list the biggest reason im not a leather fan (besides the other reasons) it doesnt hold up well if you have a 160lbs St. Bernard in the back seat, and she is on the small side for a St.

[ih8vtec13]

Fantastic response mmanus88. Its a like or dislike and everyone has different reasons for wants in a car. But agreed, you guys must have some very silky or shinny getup to be sliding around like you say.

Pretty sure most road going Ferrari's have leather including the ENZO and I think that thing has a little more poke than any Subaru will ever have. To name a few others

SL65 has leather
E55 has leather
C55 has leather
SLK55 has leather
F360 has leather
F430 will have leather
575M has leather
Gallardo has leather
M3 has leather
M5 has leather
GT2 has leather
911 Turbo has leather

Granted there are a LOT of rides that DONT have leather, but have just named some of the World's Best Supercars and most them will come with leather as standard.
Adam.
ok well it does also have to deal with the shape of the seat too, a non-sport type cars tend to have a more open seat design but on something sportier the seats are more form fitting so to matter what they will hold. the gt does have som nicely fit seats though so sliding is not realy going to be a real issue in it. btw what evere happened to good old fasion cheep ass vinal?

[gtguy]

Crikey! If you want leather, get leather. If you want cloth, get cloth. The end.

Kevin

[agctr]

LOOK, we werent talking about style of seat, racing or not, we were purely talking about the Leather V Cloth, period.

As Kevin said, want it get it, dont get it if u dont want it, Pretty Simple
Adam.

PS Leather Rules ... LOL :D

[jennjay]

One point we keep hitting on is some are saying don't get leather if you have kids. This is totally illogical, leather as stated by others is much, much easier to clean from spills etc.

[STG]

The leather-burning-your-ass problem isn't so bad as long as you tint your windows. So, you pay extra to get the leather, then spend more money to get tinted (look at me but you won't see me, 'cause I'm too cool) windows only to get pulled over and ticketed for illegal tint.:lol:

No thanks, cloth for me.

agctr,

The plural of Ferrari is Ferraris, not Ferrari's.

[Drift Monkey]

ttiw

[mmanus88]

sgt, u don't need to tint. people are making way too big an exageration of the leather temp thing

[STG]

That's O.K. Either way, I'm not cool or famous enough to have tinted windows on my car. Isn't Drift Monkey's use of internet shorthand / slang just too cute? bfd.:lol:

[frontrangeSubie]

That's O.K. Either way, I'm not cool or famous enough to have tinted windows on my car. Isn't Drift Monkey's use of internet shorthand / slang just too cute? bfd.:lol:

DM apparently posts this stuff to increase his Post Count.....lol

Only HE knows what he says....LOL

[SC GT]

That's O.K. Either way, I'm not cool or famous enough to have tinted windows on my car. Isn't Drift Monkey's use of internet shorthand / slang just too cute? bfd.:lol:I didn't start tinting the windows in my cars until I had kids. I didn't want to put up those lame ass Winnie the Pooh shades with the suction cups that cover only a third of the window, so I opted for tint. Let me tell you, tint makes a huge difference in your interior temperature after your car has sat all afternoon in the parking lot of some mall, or on long drives in one direction when the sun is at that angle where it is just beating down on you or your passengers. IMO, it's far more than a cosmetic mod, although it definitely makes my black LGT look cooler as well.

[PGT]

I couldn't decide about leather vs. cloth. Luckily, Subaru was nice enough to decide for me, as I wanted that missile silo cover......errrr, I mean huge sunroof.

Had they left it to me, I would have gone with cloth and the sunroof, as I have two large dogs as well.

[agctr]

Um guys, quick question Um wasnt this a Leather V Cloth, not window tint etc?

Aussie Sun, Aussie Summer, NO TINT, Car 3 yrs OLD, no damage to LEATHER AT ALL, CASE CLOSED.
Adam.

[05LegacyGT330Ci]

Adam where do you live in Australia.

[agctr]

In Melbourne, about 900K or 700M South of Sydney.
Adam.

[Parousia]

I bought leather and am a little perplexed by some who say it takes a lot of care.

It definately does not take a large amount of maintenance at all.

In fact the majority of used cars out there that have leather have never been conditioned or treated at ALL!

i think every 2 yrs is enough for leather, and actually my Subaru dealer told me that 3-4 yrs would even be ok.

As for cloth... I had it in my Impreza and I do not think that Subaru cloth is very good. It wears pretty thin it seemed to me in the 3 yrs we had our old car. (from new)

I truly believe that the leather will increase resale but probably only by about 1000-1500, with the sunroof.

Parousia.

[NorthernVTGT]

The only leather seats I've had that needed regular treatment (Lexol works nicely - spray the cloth, not the seat) were on My '67 MGB. That was b/c they were Connolly leather, sat in direct sun with the top down, and were and pushing 40 years old. (Sold the B in June when I moved onto a 4.5 mile gravel road).

Modern leather takes no special maintenance - just clean it up occasionally when you clean your interrior. We all know you can go as low- or high-maintenance as you want in that regard...

[Deer Killer]

Modern leather takes no special maintenance

Yeah, since we've geneticially engineered a new kind of cow..

Uhm, no.

[mmanus88]

umm yes

leather is now better treated before leaving the factory, and is not absorbant like raw leather is (was in older cars). many cars come with vinyl (not sure if the GT's leather is vinyl) which is very easy to maintain

[STG]

umm yes

(not sure if the GT's leather is vinyl)
It's pretty simple: Leather = Leather / Vinyl = Vinyl

If the GT's leather isn't, there's a class action lawsuit brewing.

Often manufacturers save money by equipping cars with "leather seating surfaces." This usually means the parts of the seat that touch you are leather, while the sides and back are another material, typically vinyl.

[axis008]

STG, I agree with the last things you said. I haven't researched into this, but could the leather in the GT's be leatherette? Sometimes companies advertise the seating as leather, but it's actually leatherette.

[mmanus88]

vinyl or leatherette, i don't see muhc a of a difference, we aren't buying $60k cars here :) but to me, if it feels good and looks good i'm cool iwth it. i think we can trust subaru on this.

[Parousia]

It is in fact REAL LEATHER that is used in Subaru's interior on the LTD and others with the leather option.

Manufacturers specifically state when they used leatherette/leather combinations by stating "leather seating surfaces" as mentioned, or they call it "leather matched".

Subaru used a very high quality leather that is treated very well from the factory according to my dealer and it takes little to no maintenance.

Parousia

[frontrangeSubie]

STG, I agree with the last things you said. I haven't researched into this, but could the leather in the GT's be leatherette? Sometimes companies advertise the seating as leather, but it's actually leatherette.


Oh puleeeez....It's LEATHER

[STG]

STG, I agree with the last things you said. I haven't researched into this, but could the leather in the GT's be leatherette? Sometimes companies advertise the seating as leather, but it's actually leatherette.
No company other than Joes' Honnest Used Car Sales advertises leatherette as leather.

The 2005 Subaru Legacy brochure lists the Limited with "leather-trimmed upholstry." Like you said, you haven't done your research. At least get a brochure and read it before buying a Legacy.

You don't agree with the first things I said?

HOW CAN YOU ARGUE WITH LEATHER = LEATHER AND VINYL =VINYL?:lol::lol::lol: